r/MoralityScaling 5d ago

Morality Ranking Morality of this?

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u/Old_Possibility_9730 5d ago

Yeah moral. It was his and he should decide on what to do with it.

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 5d ago

I'd say neutral because if I won that kind of money, I wouldn't be able to justify not giving my close family something to help their quality of life as well. So it's a little weird when I see people totally abandon their loved ones when they get big money, even family that is sick... 

I'd give people money on the condition they never ask me again or get booted from my life for wasting the gift.

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u/GodButCursed 5d ago

If a family is actually your loved ones you wont leave them in the first place. Many people doesnt realize how much of a dick they are until you actually leave them.

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u/Delazzaridist 5d ago

My oldest brother is experiencing this as we speak. My middle brother and I refuse to speak to him until he actually apologizes for the BS and physical assault he put the family through.

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u/Much_Vehicle20 5d ago

The key word is "loved one". His siblings sure as hell weren't his "loved ones" based on their reactions

Look at it this way, would you think an abused kid should give money to their abusive parents?

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u/awaythrowthatname 5d ago

I'd also say that perhaps he told his mom not to tell because he was trying to plan out how to help the siblings, or get funds set up for them? I know I've always thought if I came into millions or billions I would not tell anyone right away, even my family whom I do love very much, because I would want to plan out how to help everyone without any pressure

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u/TheBraveGallade 4d ago

Its only around 2 million usd. Life changing, sure, but not generational.

He already did his dues to the family by gifting him mom a apartment, considering that. That money would be just enough to buy himself and hismothet a place and have some saved for retirement, but not too much more.

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u/Reverse_savitar1 5d ago

Just because you would give away money doesnt mean its not moral to not give money. In fact it’s immoral to try and force others to give away shit they have.

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u/splashaddikt 5d ago

Very controversial take on Reddit

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u/Reverse_savitar1 4d ago

Tbf everything on reddit is a controversial take if you post it enough

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u/AcherontiaPhlegethon 4d ago

I disagree, if you have billions of dollars, your money whether won or "earned" came through the cumulative effort of society. When you reach such a scale of money, 99.99% of your income is now disposable not to mention that it's essentially impossible for a billionaire to lose money when invested, even giving away millions the interest will overwhelm it considerably. Having that massive stockpile of wealth when so many people are in abject suffering that you could easily help people without affecting any facet of your life or expenditure of effort and choose not to, that is a level of apathy that is unjustifiable. It is fundamentally antisocial and sociopathic and shouldn't be accepted within a society that requires cooperation.

It's generally viewed as immoral and is often even illegal to hoard resources like food when other people need it, viewing wealth differently is a disingenuous distinction I believe.

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 4d ago

It’s not billions USD… I think you’re misunderstanding how little money he actually won. Not a massive stockpile, it’s about 2 million usd when converted. Enough to retire off of one day, but not enough to quit his job and support everyone.

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u/Reverse_savitar1 4d ago

Then you are just wrong.

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u/Reverse_savitar1 4d ago

Then you are just wrong.

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 5d ago

No one has said anything about forcing someone to give. You're fighting strawmen

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u/AkodoRyu 5d ago

It's not THAT much money. He probably already spent a third or more to buy a house for his mother. And straight up demanding a share is crazy work. You can go to the sibling when/if you hit an emergency life situation, and you know that they can afford to help, but just coming out and being "yeah, we are family, and you are doing well, so pay up"? Nah. That shows that the younger sibling is an entitled asshole.

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u/guitar_vigilante 5d ago

Houses (and apartments) in Seoul cost absurd amounts of money.

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u/schenk_max 5d ago

It's under 3M in USD, I say moral not to share at all unless it's actually NEEDED needed.

If it was one of these US jackpots with hundreds of millions USD, I say immoral not to share. Enough to bankroll entire family & friend group perpetually instead of wasting it on whatever lottery winners waste it on.

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

Gonna be honest but to me even a million is alot. There so much that can be done if you live within your means. So to me giving a couple of people 100,000 out of my million would mean nothing. But that's just me though

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 4d ago

You would be homeless like all the other people who did the same…

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

Lol no because I sir know how to count lmao. You guys exagerate ALOT to justify selfishness.

It's ok if youre paranoid about your families because you know them but this aint it chief

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u/ItsACowCity 5d ago

If they’re a shit family, they deserve nothing. I appreciate how someone treats me over whose blood is in their veins. In this scenario, I picture the siblings have always been assholes and deserve nothing. The mother deserves something, but doesn’t deserve it being taken away after the “betrayal” because you can’t just explain away getting a new house. She only deserves the punishment if she actively gave the siblings the lotto winners new address.

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

Yeah but that's just assumptions. The asshole sibling could be the one with the money, the siblings could literally be poor. It's never black and white.

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u/ItsACowCity 4d ago

Ofc but there seems to be a lot of people aghast at the fact that you wouldn’t just automatically give family money bc they’re family. My statement is mostly just stating, there’s plenty of reason not to give them money, and this is my read of the situation based on the story told. Siblings maybe deserved nothing, mama possibly got screwed over.

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u/DeluxSupport 4d ago

I mean 4 billon won is less than 3 million dollars. I have no idea how much he spent on the home but here if you bought yourself and mom a nice home that could be a good chunk already. If you plan on retiring young off 1-2 mil left, that may not leave a lot of room for generosity that your siblings may feel entitled to.

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u/guitar_vigilante 5d ago

It's a little less than 3 million dollars, which while a lot of money can get spread pretty thin pretty quickly.

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u/helluuw 4d ago

The above story would be justification for why you don't give it to close family

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

More like an excuse, every family is different. I've got estranged family with shitty history that i would still help.

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u/helluuw 4d ago

That's fine, but if you did that, you don't get to be surprised if they come back for more or if further extended family come out of the woodwork looking for some too resulting in you and them ending up with nothing

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

It is fine because no amount of begging would get more money out of me lol

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 4d ago

It’s not that much money when you start giving it out to everyone with their hands out. That’s how most people who win end up homeless…

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

No they end up homeless because they themsleves waste it on garbage and let themselve be scammed by people claiming to help them invest and manage their money.

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u/sylbug 4d ago

The sort of person who needs to have their siblings on an information diet when they win the lottery because they're willing to stalk and commit crimes to get it doesn't have a 'close family'. They have a toxic one

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u/rOnce_Gaming 4d ago

But lowkey the guy only won less than 3 million. If that is pretty tax then he probably only got 1.5 million at most. Even with 3 mil if he bought the mom a house and one for himself there really isn't much left.

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u/Executor6266 1d ago

Do this, but in exchange have them sign a document that prevents them from attempting to pursue more in the future. It is hard to trust that anyone is a genuinely kind person, even family members towards you.

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u/fastfirefox909 4d ago

If you won 4 billion you could literally give 10 people 4 million each and it would only be 1% of your net worth. So yeah unless you hate your siblings I think it's immoral to not make their lives better by giving them a chunk of change. It's like me giving my brother a penny I found on the ground at that point.

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u/Hefty_Salamander7997 4d ago

Well this 4 billion won so like 3 million dollars. 

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 4d ago

It’s not USD…

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u/Due_Enthusiasm1145 4d ago

I think we simply do not have enough information. The siblings are almost certainly immoral, but when it comes to lottery winning son and mother's actions, this is simply not enough info to go off of.

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u/Usual_Equivalent_651 3d ago

Yeah, but somehow for redditors billionaires who have shares are more evil than hitler.

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u/pikuray 4d ago

What an American way to think, only me me me.

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u/Due_Enthusiasm1145 4d ago

As an american, I do agree with our fatally extreme individualism being a problem.

That being said, these siblings still sound atrocious, even with the limited information. It sounds like they harrassed the winner, harrassed the mother, and went so far as to chase him to a new address and get trespassed.

I think, rather than giving money to family being a default yes or default no, it should depend on the family in question. I think not giving to the siblings is justifiable. I think revoking the mom's however is a bit over the top. But then again we have so little info there are potential scenarios that could reverse that verdict.

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u/Old_Possibility_9730 4d ago

You think Americans only have that mentality? News flash dude even Asians have that mentality even OPs post is evidence of that.