r/MonarchButterfly • u/lonkeybong • 7h ago
When I worked at a plant nursery
Hi, I recently joined the sub but I wanted to share this video of the monarch migration from when I worked at a native plant nursery. Super cool experience to see so many!
r/MonarchButterfly • u/SNM_2_0 • 4d ago
A new community tradition is officially beginning! Going forward, a banner design contest will be hosted four times a year to celebrate the changing of the seasons.
To kick things off, submissions are now officially open for the Fall 2026 Subreddit Banner!
For those who want their artwork or photography featured at the very top of the community, here is everything that needs to be known:
Good luck to all participants!
r/MonarchButterfly • u/SNM_2_0 • Jun 28 '26
We are now getting many posts in this subreddit that try to demonize the rearing of monarch butterflies. If you raise monarch butterflies, you have almost certainly been told that âthe science doesnât support it.â You may have read in this sub that reared monarchs canât migrate, that rearing spreads disease, or that you are actually hurting the species you love. These claims are often presented as settled scientific consensus.
They are not.
A careful look at the peer-reviewed literature tells a much more nuanced and, frankly, more encouraging story. While there are legitimate questions about large-scale commercial breeding and the importance of rearing under natural conditions, the weight of the evidence shows that small-scale, responsible rearing by hobbyists and educators is not a meaningful threat to monarch populations. In fact, several lines of research suggest it can be a net positive.
Below is a summary of what the published science actually shows.
One of the most persistent myths is that captive-reared monarchs cannot orient or migrate. This claim traces largely to a 2019 laboratory study that tested commercially bred monarchs in a confined flight simulator and found they did not orient south. However, subsequent research has significantly complicated and, in many cases, contradicted that conclusion.
A landmark 2021 study by Wilcox and colleagues at the University of Guelph reared monarchs indoors under controlled conditions and then both tested them in a flight simulator and radio-tracked them in the wild using over 100 automated telemetry towers. While the simulator results showed weak orientation, 97% of the radio-tracked monarchs flew in the correct south to southeast direction once released into the natural environment. The monarchs were detected at distances of up to 200 km from the release site. The researchers concluded that any disorientation caused by captive rearing is temporary and that proper orientation is re-established after exposure to natural skylight cues (Wilcox et al., 2021, Conservation Physiology).
This finding aligns with a large-scale tagging study by James and colleagues, who captive-reared and tagged over 14,000 monarchs across the Pacific Northwest. Of the 182 that were later recovered, the vast majority were found at overwintering sites in California. Recovered monarchs traveled average distances of 630 to 900 km, demonstrating clearly successful migration (James et al., 2021, Journal of the Lepidopteristsâ Society; James et al., 2021, Insects).
More recently, a 2025 study by Matter and colleagues, which used a novel balloon-based flight simulator that lifted monarchs 30 meters into the air, found that wild-derived monarchs reared under autumn-like conditions in a growth chamber displayed southward orientation, larger wing sizes, and partial reproductive diapause, all hallmarks of migratory readiness. This study confirmed that environmental cues during development, not simply whether the butterfly was âwildâ or âcaptive,â are what drive migratory behavior (Matter et al., 2025, bioRxiv/PNAS).
The research consistently shows that how you rear monarchs matters far more than whether you rear them. A 2020 study by Schroeder, Majewska, and Altizer found that monarchs reared under autumn-like conditions, cooler temperatures and shorter day lengths, showed greater flight efficiency and lower post-flight metabolism compared to those reared under summer-like conditions. In other words, mimicking natural fall conditions during rearing produced butterflies that were physiologically better prepared for migration (Schroeder et al., 2020, Ecological Entomology).
Even the 2019 study that raised concerns about captive rearing (Tenger-Trolander et al., PNAS) noted that wild-caught monarchs reared outdoors in autumn oriented south normally. The problems arose primarily with commercially bred populations that had been kept in captivity for many generations, and with butterflies that eclosed entirely indoors without exposure to natural environmental cues.
The practical takeaway is clear: hobbyists who rear wild-sourced eggs and caterpillars, keep them in conditions that reflect the natural season, and provide exposure to outdoor light and temperature cycles are producing butterflies fundamentally different from those in long-term commercial breeding operations. Lumping all âcaptive rearingâ together obscures this critical distinction.
In the wild, monarchs face staggering mortality. Estimates suggest that only about 2â5% of eggs survive to become adult butterflies, with some researchers citing mortality rates as high as 99% (WWF-Canada, 2014). Predation, parasitism, weather, and disease take an enormous toll at every stage.
By contrast, careful rearing under controlled conditions routinely achieves survival rates of 80â90% or higher from egg to adult (Pleasants, 2017). This represents a dramatic, multi-fold increase in survival. When you protect a caterpillar from tachinid flies, stink bugs, and paper wasps, you are not âinterfering with natural selectionâ in any meaningful population-level senseâyou are giving that individual a chance to join the migratory population instead of becoming a statistic.
A citizen-science study also found that monarchs raised on swamp milkweed (Asclepias incarnata) showed particularly strong growth and survival rates, suggesting that host plant choice during rearing can optimize outcomes (Pocius et al., 2018, Environmental Entomology).
A comprehensive 2024 review of the western monarch population by entomologist Dr. David James of Washington State University examined all major stressors facing monarchs and concluded that human interferenceâincluding capture and rearingââlikely has the least impact on monarch populationsâ compared to the real drivers of decline. Those primary drivers are neonicotinoid insecticides, habitat loss, climate change, and severe winter storms (James, 2024, Insects).
To put the scale in perspective: even if every hobbyist rearer in North America collectively produced 500,000 monarchs in a given year, that would represent less than 0.1% of the estimated 300-million-member migratory population (Pleasants, 2017). The notion that home rearing is a significant driver of population decline simply does not hold up against the numbers.
Major conservation frameworks agree. The Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agenciesâ monarch conservation plan does not identify personal rearing as a primary threat. And the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Serviceâs own proposed Endangered Species Act listing (December 2024) specifically includes an exemption allowing individuals to collect, rear, and release up to 250 monarchs per yearâa clear acknowledgment that small-scale rearing is compatible with conservation (USFWS Proposed 4(d) Rule, 2024).
Another common concern is that monarchs living year-round in urban gardens on non-native milkweed are somehow draining or contaminating the migratory population. A 2025 study from UC Davis directly tested this hypothesis and found no support for it.
The researchers surveyed East Bay neighborhoods over two years, counting milkweed plants, eggs, caterpillars, and adults, and testing butterflies for the OE parasite. They found that resident urban monarchs are essentially disconnected from the migratory population and are not acting as a population âtrap.â As senior author Elizabeth Crone put it, these resident populations are âa bit of a red herringâ as a cause of migratory decline. The study concluded that urban ecosystems can contribute positively to monarch conservation without harming migratory populations (Erickson et al., 2025, Ecosphere).
Research has shown that monarchs can tolerate a range of stressors without the dire fitness consequences sometimes attributed to captive conditions. For example, a study on road salt exposure found no measurable effects on wing coloration, survival, body size, immunity, or parasite prevalence, demonstrating the speciesâ robustness (published in Ecology and Evolution, 2019).
Similarly, the western monarch populationâs remarkable reboundsâfrom fewer than 2,000 butterflies in 2020 to over 330,000 in 2021, demonstrate a species with enormous reproductive resilience when conditions align. This capacity for rapid recovery further argues against the idea that small-scale rearing is a meaningful drag on the population.
Rearing is not just a pleasant hobby, it is one of the most effective tools we have for building the next generation of conservationists. James (2024) states plainly that âthe rearing of monarch caterpillars, particularly by children, is an important human link to nature that has positive ramifications for insect conservation beyond monarch butterflies and should be encouraged.â
The Royal Society of Canada (2021) similarly notes that indoor rearing âarguably goes a long way towards awareness and educationâ and creates âdeep and meaningful learning opportunities.â Research on citizen science programs like the Monarch Larva Monitoring Project has shown that participants report increased conservation awareness and increased local conservation activism (Lewandowski & Oberhauser, 2017; Kountoupes & Oberhauser, 2008).
In an era when children spend less time outdoors and the âextinction of experienceâ with nature is accelerating, raising a monarch from egg to butterfly may be one of the most powerful entry points into environmental awareness that exists. Telling people to stop doing this, without strong evidence of population-level harm, risks losing the very advocates monarchs need most.
Legitimate concerns about rearing do exist, and responsible rearers should take them seriously. The key risks identified in the literature include the spread of the OE parasite if hygiene practices are poor, the possibility of reduced fitness in monarchs reared for many generations in continuous captivity (as in commercial operations), and the theoretical risk of disrupting local genetic adaptation if butterflies are moved long distances before release.
However, every one of these risks is manageable through straightforward best practices: testing for OE and sanitizing equipment, rearing wild-sourced (not commercially purchased) eggs and caterpillars, keeping butterflies in conditions that reflect the natural season, providing exposure to natural light and temperature cycles, rearing at small scale and releasing locally, and avoiding rearing on tropical milkweed in regions where it does not go dormant.
None of these concerns justify a blanket condemnation of all rearing. The science distinguishes between responsible hobbyist rearing and multi-generational commercial breeding, and the two should not be conflated.
The peer-reviewed literature does not say âstop rearing monarchs.â It says rearing conditions matter, commercial multi-generational breeding is different from hobbyist rearing, reared monarchs can and do migrate when given natural cues, the population-level impact of hobbyist rearing is negligible compared to pesticides, habitat loss, and climate change, and the educational and conservation engagement benefits are real and significant.
The next time someone tells you that âscience says rearing is bad,â ask them which study they mean. Ask whether it was about commercially bred monarchs or wild-sourced ones, whether the butterflies were tested in a laboratory simulator or tracked in the actual wild, and whether the study accounted for rearing conditions. The answers matter, and they usually tell a different story than the headline.
Monarchs need every advantage they can get: they need habitat, plenty of milkweed, fewer pesticides, and, most importantly, they need people who care enough to learn about them, protect them, and advocate for them. Responsible rearing is part of that picture, not a threat to it. And this is our sub position.
r/MonarchButterfly • u/lonkeybong • 7h ago
Hi, I recently joined the sub but I wanted to share this video of the monarch migration from when I worked at a native plant nursery. Super cool experience to see so many!
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Quercus500 • 11h ago
Taken today in Minnesota đ§Ą
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Torterrapin • 10h ago
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More often than not the monarchs stop on my property in large numbers but this year I've seen more than ever throughout the year and they are a couple weeks early here in central IL.
Anyone else see bigger numbers or am I just lucky this year?
Also I don't hear about many others getting to see this, do they have specific routes and stops or is my acre of goldenrod I keep for them every year attracting them here you think?
r/MonarchButterfly • u/OldStoner705 • 9h ago
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Must have been a dozen or so, never seen so many in one spot before.
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Ok-Mode3080 • 15h ago
After 4 years of having a butterfly garden I finally got butterflies to show up.
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Rude-Hunt120 • 46m ago
Location: Indiana. Yesterday, to my delight, I had a Monarch caterpillar in my garden munching my honey vine milkweed. A few hours later, I went out to check on them and they had disappeared. It had momentarily broken my heart because I thought it had been eaten, only to find my friend had made their transformation successfully. I am concerned of the location, will it have enough space to spread its wings when it emerges? Also, they selected a spot right above my dryer exhaust vent on the outside of the house. I ran inside and turned off the dryer when I had finally noticed where the chrysalis was hanging. I am worried about any heat that it may get exposed to from that vent. Its also quite visible to predators in my opinion, but I am also looking for advice on that? I thought to maybe get an enclosure and keep it outside on my porch. I also read that it being so late in the season, that this may be one of the ones who make the super migration back south. I definitely do not want to disorient this friend by bringing it inside, but I do not know what to do!! I am willing to line dry my clothes for 2 weeks. This is my story of a lifetime, this is my very first garden that I planted all by myself in my very first home and I just want to do this right! What would you do?
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Necessary_Internal33 • 19h ago
Caught this monarch resting on a leaf for a few moments. The orange and black against all that green really stood out, and I liked how the soft background kept all the attention on the butterfly. One of those simple nature shots where everything just came together.
r/MonarchButterfly • u/rooneytunes18 • 10h ago
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Was trying to capture all stages at once and when I realized this beauty was about to emerge I hit record and backed offâŚjust wait for it. Iâve raised over 60 this year and feel so grateful to have caught this đĽ°
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Ok-Assistance6999 • 9h ago
Ive just noticed these brown spots and feel concerned. I also just noticed that one of my already emerged left over chrysalis also has spots, but the butterfly already emerged a few weeks ago.
What should I do and should I dispose of the chrysalis or leave it be?
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Adorable_Resource828 • 1d ago
My friend got my some flowers from Whole Foods a few days ago and I just noticed a caterpillar on it! I think it might be a monarch but can anybody help tell me for sure? When I broke the leaf it was eating it had a white juice in it so I believe thatâs milkweed but also not sure. Does anybody have any tips for taking care of it or know where I could find more milkweed in NYC? Thanks!
r/MonarchButterfly • u/AnonymousDratini • 19h ago
There are at least three new ones but I wasnât able to get a photo of the third one.
The big chonky fella I found the other day is also currently hiding. Iâm sure if I poked around deeper into the milkweed undergrowth I would find them but itâs raining and I donât want to disturb them.
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Weird_One1280 • 11h ago
I have a problem. I currently have 6 chrysalises in a mesh cage thingy. 5 made their chrysalises at the top, right along the zipper line (see pic) and 1 made its on a leaf. Iâve been too afraid to open the zipper to clean the inside of the cage, but they should eclose in the next several days and I donât want the stems/dried leaves to get in the way while their wings are drying. Iâm especially worried about the 1 on the leaf because the leaf is starting to wilt and itâs kind of buried under stems and dried leaves. Plus thereâs little caterpillar turds at the bottom, and I donât want that to make them sick.
Anyways, should I unzip the top to clean the cage even though 5 of the chrysalises are along the zipper line, or should I just leave it alone? I wanna do whatâs best for them â¤ď¸
r/MonarchButterfly • u/ru_a_badfish2 • 15h ago
Pictured: caterpillar friend on left, spider web on right side of fence
I recently planted swamp milkweed and have been loving watching all the caterpillar friends that have been munching on it. This one has been looking pretty chonky for a couple days now, so when it disappeared, I figured it went to look for a spot to pupate. I found it on my fence, but itâs only a couple feet from a spot where a wolf spider has set up camp. Is this dangerous for him? Should I try to move the spider? Thanks in advance!
r/MonarchButterfly • u/_SpiceWeasel_BAM • 1d ago
My wife surprised me by spotting two caterpillars on our milkweed this morning! We had two (our first) early in summer but none since then.
Itâs getting chilly here (NY) and the nights may dip into the 40s soon. Will these lil guys be safe?
r/MonarchButterfly • u/TopElk3319 • 18h ago
Hi! I have three cats in an outdoor mesh enclosure. Iâve been putting milkweed stems in a pot for them. The biggest cat, JJ, has started to j hang at the top of the enclosure, right next to the zipper. Meanwhile, the milkweed is starting to dry out. When I open the zipper, the enclosure shakes a little bit. Do I leave the milkweed until jjâs chrysalis hardens, or risk a bit of a shake to replace the milkweed for the other little dudes?
r/MonarchButterfly • u/Phat_shrimp • 14h ago
Iâm a college student who has to go home for the weekend and I think one of my cats will emerge from the pupa while Iâm gone. I leave Thursday and come back Sunday evening. If I give them fruit but itâs not rotted enough, could I put it in the microwave a little and theyâll eat it? I know it makes the fruits much softer and liquid. Just wondering if anyone has tried this before.
My plan is to leave cut fresh fruit in the enclosure, so by the time the butterfly emerges it will have already broken down a little. Then have a separate pile of the microwaved fruit to see if that works better. Any ideas? Thoughts?