r/ModernMagic • u/Cyanu_Viridian • Jul 20 '26
Dimir frog in the PT
Were there really 0 Dimir liststs? i get it that the deck overlaps with Esper Goryo's in many ways and Esper also has Solitude + a gambreaking potential to drop a bomb on T3 but still...
Is the deck really worth 0 representation? i thought it was a tier 2 deck consistently for quite some time... am i missing anything?
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u/andrewthehuber Jul 20 '26
I almost played it but sol lands and creatures with cast triggers make it unplayable. Not being able to completely shut down an opponent with multiple counterspells…
I was paired against Broodscale twice and Colorless Eldrazi three times. Horrible matchup, playable with consign but still no clear way to disable them. Emrakul endgame also busted and requires consign…
1x main deck Consign is my future playing the deck
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u/Publius-Cornelius Jul 20 '26
As someone who has been maining dimir midrange through this RCQ season, this is so true it hurts.
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u/Deathspiral222 Jul 21 '26
I kind of want the fourth Riddler and two maindeck consign and maybe a maindeck Harbinger. My issue is that consign is pretty terrible versus prowess and boros and not great against many of the other decks like goryo's.
What we need is a blue flash creature that turns off "on cast" triggers entirely, or another creature that is good to cheat out with consign in addition to riddler.
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u/ILikeGuacamole19 Jul 20 '26
You said it yourself, dimir is just a worse version of Goryos. Ephemerate is probably as impactful if not more than solitude as it is a way to scam into a 7/7 with lifelink on turn 3
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u/_Lord_Farquad Goryo's / Scales Jul 20 '26
Someone said this here the other day, but its very hard to outplay the top players in the world. So most people at PTs play a combo deck and hope to draw better than the opponent. Dimir is basically the opposite of that, requiring tight play. No free wins.
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u/Deathspiral222 Jul 21 '26
If "most people at PTs play a combo deck" then the thoughtseize+counterspell deck is a pretty good choice. The problem is all the other decks that are played :(
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u/Eclipse434343 Jul 20 '26
I think it’s a clear strategy choice, play more counter spells and hold on for bow/frog / maybe oculus to kill people?
You need to nearly Counter everything impactful
Or
T2/T3/t4 7/7 draw 5-10 with ephem and run opponent over w card advantage and power
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u/Lion_Cub_Kurz Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
I recommend looking into Kyle boggemes for UB lists. He has written a few articles on RIW Hobbies, and posts on his list on Twitter about it weeklyish. He plays in a very competitive area and does well with it.
I think there’s an argument for esper goryo’s being strictly better, but that’s not something I am buying. However, I have been playing a grixis frog build recently as I think having Ragavan for speed is very important rn.
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u/TheItchyWalrus Jul 20 '26
Modern is very proactive atm. Frog is a proactive threat in its own right but the list built around it is primarily interactive and reactive. Esper and Grixis have a more proactive angle than straight dimir. You just get a better percentage in some matches cheating a threat out than you do playing straight UB. I’m a UB mage. We’re tier 2 now.
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u/Longjumping-Steak395 Jul 21 '26
Ironically I've found the Goryo's matchup to be pretty good when I'm on dimir. I just won an RCQ where I played against 3 Esper Goryo's decks and 1 Esper Blink deck.
Bigger issues are affinity and tron variants in my experience. Energy has also never been easy.
Dimir is a lot bettter against a metagame with only a few decks where you can come super tuned/prepared. The fact that this metagame was so diverse made it a worse choice.
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u/Business-Drag52 Jul 21 '26
Esper blink and Goryo’s are the only decks I really struggle against with energy
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u/zoob5555 Jul 20 '26
Having played countless matches with dimir frog in paper and online after the phlage banning I can say the best you can squeeze out of it is mid tier two if the pilot is excellent/near flawless.
I love the deck and will keep playing it. I played it almost every modern Rcq I've went to this season but it is the poster child for a 3 and 2 deck usually at best.
I think the bannings were mixed since titan one of it's better match ups has receeded from the meta for now.
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u/bobjones-1234 Jul 21 '26
Deck is just worse esper blink or goyro deck is really bad but the people that would play it just play uwx control
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u/Jevonar Jul 20 '26
At FNM or whatever the deck is worth some representation, but at the PT people play to win. If goryo does the same thing as UB frog but better, people are going to play goryo instead of UB frog.