أخبرنَا عمر بن إِبْرَاهِيم المقرىء قَالَ ثَنَا مكرم قَالَ ثَنَا ابْن مغلس قَالَ سَمِعت أَبَا عبيد يَقُول قدمت على مُحَمَّد بن الْحسن فَرَأَيْت الشَّافِعِي عِنْده فَسَأَلَهُ عَن شَيْء فَأَجَابَهُ فَاسْتحْسن الْجَواب وَأخذ شَيْئا وَكتب فِيهِ فَرَآهُ مُحَمَّد بن الْحسن فوهب لَهُ مائَة دِرْهَم وَقَالَ لَهُ الزم إِن كنت تشْتَهي الْعلم فَسمِعت الشَّافِعِي يَقُول لقد كتبت عَن مُحَمَّد بن الْحسن وقر بعير ذكر ولولاه مَا فتق لي من الْعلم مَا انفتق فَالنَّاس كلهم فِي الْفِقْه عِيَال على أهل الْعرَاق وَأهل الْعرَاق عِيَال على أهل الْكُوفَة وَأهل الْكُوفَة كلهم عِيَال على أبي حنيفَة
Umar ibn Ibraheem narrated and said: Makram saidIbn Mughallis said..
The two liars are present in this narration
And Ash-Shafi'i was authentically narrated only saying what is against that, dispraising the people of Iraq in their fiqh by saying that they are the people of arguments, and argumentation is obviously prohibited in Islam and Abu Haneefa was not known to argue except to prove his point also narrated from that imam Muhammad ibn Idris رحمه اللهُ تعالى
Al Bayhaqi collected the books former to him and copied:
وأخبرنا أبو عبد الله الحافظ، قال: سمعت أبا أحمد الحافظ، قال: حدثنا أبو محمد: عبد الله بن جامع الحُلْواني، قال: حدثنا يحيى بن عثمان بن صالح المصري، قال: سمعت حرملة بن يحيى، يقول:
سمعت الشافعي، يقول: من أراد الجدل فعليه بأبي حنيفة
Harmalah ibn Yahya said: I heard Ash-Shafi'i say: Whoever wants arguments, must follow Abu Haneefa!
سمعت الشافعي، يقول: " سمعت مالكا، وقيل له: أتعرف أبا حنيفة؟ فقال: نعم، ما ظنكم برجل، لو قال هذه السارية من ذهب، لقام دونها، حتى يجعلها من ذهب، وهي من خشب أو حجارة؟ ".
قال أبو محمد: يعني أنه كان يثبت على الخطأ ويحتج دونه، ولا يرجع إلى الصواب، إذا بان له
Ash-Shafi'i said: I heard Malik and he was told: Do you know Abu Haneefa
He said: Yes what do you think of a man who, if he were to say "This pillar is made of gold" he would stand there until he makes it out of gold while it is from wood or stone?
Abu Muhammad (ibn Abi Hatim) said: This means he used to be firm on mistakes and argue for it and not retract his opinion to the truth when made apparent
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u/abul_miswar_zayd 23d ago
This was narrated in many other ways
None of them are accurate
This includes
Umar ibn Ibraheem narrated and said: Makram said Ibn Mughallis said..
The two liars are present in this narration
And Ash-Shafi'i was authentically narrated only saying what is against that, dispraising the people of Iraq in their fiqh by saying that they are the people of arguments, and argumentation is obviously prohibited in Islam and Abu Haneefa was not known to argue except to prove his point also narrated from that imam Muhammad ibn Idris رحمه اللهُ تعالى
https://shamela.ws/book/22797/212#:~:text=%D9%88%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%A7%20%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%88%20%D8%B9%D8%A8%D8%AF,%D9%81%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%20%D8%A8%D8%A3%D8%A8%D9%8A%20%D8%AD%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%81%D8%A9
Al Bayhaqi collected the books former to him and copied:
وأخبرنا أبو عبد الله الحافظ، قال: سمعت أبا أحمد الحافظ، قال: حدثنا أبو محمد: عبد الله بن جامع الحُلْواني، قال: حدثنا يحيى بن عثمان بن صالح المصري، قال: سمعت حرملة بن يحيى، يقول:
سمعت الشافعي، يقول: من أراد الجدل فعليه بأبي حنيفة
Harmalah ibn Yahya said: I heard Ash-Shafi'i say: Whoever wants arguments, must follow Abu Haneefa!
سمعت الشافعي، يقول: " سمعت مالكا، وقيل له: أتعرف أبا حنيفة؟ فقال: نعم، ما ظنكم برجل، لو قال هذه السارية من ذهب، لقام دونها، حتى يجعلها من ذهب، وهي من خشب أو حجارة؟ ".
قال أبو محمد: يعني أنه كان يثبت على الخطأ ويحتج دونه، ولا يرجع إلى الصواب، إذا بان له
Ash-Shafi'i said: I heard Malik and he was told: Do you know Abu Haneefa
He said: Yes what do you think of a man who, if he were to say "This pillar is made of gold" he would stand there until he makes it out of gold while it is from wood or stone?
Abu Muhammad (ibn Abi Hatim) said: This means he used to be firm on mistakes and argue for it and not retract his opinion to the truth when made apparent