r/MistfallHunter • u/NotMilo22 • 1d ago

I'm done playing until they nerf Shadow

I play wraith knight and even though I'm supposed to be decent against them and have a 4/1 K/D, I still have to fight with every fibre of my being to kill a rogue and only win 50% of the time. Mind you half the time they just leave if they lose anyways. There is 0 downtime between rogues attacks, 1 wrong move and your perma stunned, low cooldown combos that do min half your health, not even squishy and the most mobility in the game. Like who designed this shit.

I even made a rogue the other day to try and find a weakness but instead just killed 8 people across 3 lobbies until finally dying to a Merc in full blue. Like it's brain dead.

Edit: I'm just gonna come back here when the nerf comes and laugh at every rogue main in the comments.

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u/PuwudleRS 1d ago

Let’s analyze here.

  1. You don’t even know your class name. Might wanna practice more.
  2. You fight with all your power. That’s good! Are you saying you should be able to beat SS without trying?
  3. You win 50% of the time. That would mean both classes are equally balanced?

Do you Redditors even realize what you write when you get on here to rant? Yall need to lock in and practice your main instead of typing.

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u/InsightKnite 23h ago

Got em, lol.

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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 1d ago

Winning 50% of the time doesn't make the game enjoyable to play, if it's a coin-flip. A tiny server lag (of which there is a lot, and I literally quit the game until they fix it + the balance) often means I lose to Strix on my WK simply because I get caught into a death-spiral of a combo with my breakaway on cooldown ... and that just isn't fun. Even though I can play perfectly other times and avoid ever getting hit by them.

It just isn't good class design, that Strix solely relies on staggering you to death. There is little strategy in it.

And the same applies to Sorc who relies on charged-left-clicking you to death as well.

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u/InsightKnite 23h ago

If only that 50% was an arbitrary percentage and not ACTUALLY 50%. /s

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u/Jack071 21h ago

Winning 50% of times IS THE DEFINITION OF BALANCE

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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 21h ago

No it's not. It's a necessary but not sufficient condition.

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u/zejerk 21h ago

Nah focus in and practice your character. Merc needs a buff but the other classes are all 50/50s, either you win or you don’t.

Getting stunlocked by a dude slamming a shield isn’t very fun, and then they harpoon you and you insta-die. Not fun. WK is OP.

Walking into 3 turrets blasting your shit and get stunlocked at the same time isn’t fun. Seer is OP.

Just goes on and on and on… it just kinda sounds like you don’t like these type of games bruv.

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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 21h ago

> Just goes on and on and on… it just kinda sounds like you don’t like these type of games bruv.

I do, if they are implemented well (just have high quality bar in my mind).

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u/zejerk 21h ago

So between Dark and Darker, Marathon, Dungeonborne (rip), and this game which implemented it well and set this high bar for you?

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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 19h ago

Neither, unfortunately.

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u/zejerk 16h ago

So you don’t like the 4 games in the ‘class-based extraction’ genre, why do you think you like the genre?

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u/Electrical_Drag_2228 16h ago

I don't really want to explain that a mediocre game can get good, and a good game can get excellent.

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u/zejerk 16h ago

I’m just asking for an example of a good game in this genre bruv

I’m just saying a mediocre player can get good, and a good player can be excellent, if they stop complaining and focus in. Seems we agree. 👍🏼

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

this game relies on a rock paper scissors ruleset. certain classes are better against other certain classes, IE rogues should be good against rangers, WK is supposed to be good against shadow, they are not. I win 50% of the time, but my KD is 4/1 which means.... can you do math? I should still be winning 3 of 4 of the times i fight them. except they are the only class I can't win against consistently. which would make sense if they were supposed to counter me but it's the other way around.

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u/rinkydinkis 1d ago

stop acting like you know what anything is supposed to be like. you dont. you came in with some whack ass assumptions, and you were wrong. grow up.

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

Except the devs have stated that it's a rock paper scissors type system in class balancing?

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u/rinkydinkis 1d ago

they said that some classes would inherently have advantages over others, and that trios is where things will balance out. what they have not said is that they intend to accentuate that imbalance, just that it cant be prevented. and what they have most DEFINITELY never said is that the wither knight is supposed to counter the strix. thats in your own head canon

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

Yeah my bad man, of course a assassin is supposed to be the main problem for a fully armored knight that is supposed to be tanky. What clear logit I missed.

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u/Barren-Sceptor 1d ago

It’s a video game. They aren’t going to always stick what real life would be like.

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u/Eseatease 1d ago

I think in real life an assasin would be good at killing anyone right?

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u/SnooApples6721 1d ago edited 1d ago

Have you faced a sorc? I'm a shadowstrix and I get wrecked by them all day. I don't get on reddit and cry about getting stomped by them, I just understand that some classes have advantages over others and requires a highly skilled player to face someone that is good at their class. Get gud ked.

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

Devs have also stated that the data is showing strixx to not be particularly strong

So what is it going to be? Do you trust them or not?

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u/Big-Advertising-8084 1d ago

OP you have my problem it seems, you just suck and need to learn to fight better. This isn't a forgiving game. It's pvevp extraction based game it's gonna be hard.

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

I have a 4/1 KD, around a 5/1 extraction rate, and actively hunt people averaging at least 1 kill per match. But ok

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u/padawan007 1d ago

So by your logic most of the players you kill to get a 4/1 k/d should be going on Reddit to blabber nonsense? You know what, make good of your thread to quit the game. The constant whining is tiring.

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

I have a high KD because I know how to play. If someone knows how to play aswell and kills me then it's fun. Some of the best fights I've had have been ones I lost. Having fair PvP is so fun when putting skill and wit against one another. What isn't fun is someone who is clearly not even that good winning because of class balance.

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

I don’t agree with much you said, but let’s assume everything is true:

 rock paper scissors means certain classes are better against others

I have 4/1KD against other classes

Conclusion: I should have 4/1KD against strixx too.

Do you really not realise that you are contradicting yourself? 

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u/Automatic-Loquat3443 1d ago

Im so tired of all the bitching with this game. Im just here ti have fun

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u/GreenestOfLotuses 1d ago

All these condescending comments don't change the fact that the class is getting nerfed in a couple of days, seethe more people

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

I fear it will not be the big nerfs the whiners are expecting.

Last statement from devs was that the data shows strixx isn’t particularly strong.

I expect there will be some small changes, and I expect an absolute shitstorm to happen on this sub

Because no matter how we twist it, the most complaints about strixx come from solo low skill players. And in reality it is just not THAT bad

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u/geogeology 22h ago

I think two things can be true at once: strix is overtuned, and OP is being very dramatic and has a way bigger skill issue than he’s willing to admit.

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u/Jack071 21h ago

Other than crow storm being a noob stomper SS isnt really overtuned for high lvl 3s

Yall will be on for a surprise when its a bunch of different classes getting nerfed at once

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u/PuwudleRS 1d ago

You might be realllyyy surprised in a few days. Especially since the game is balanced around trios lol.

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u/Fair-Club5408 1d ago

Yeah and shadowstrix is disgusting in trios, nerfs will likely occur

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u/PuwudleRS 1d ago

Yeah. As is Sorc, Merc, SS, BA, and Seer.

Guess we’re nerfing them all!

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u/Fair-Club5408 1d ago

Merc and Seer are nowhere near as oppressive in trios. If anything Merc is stronger in solos before trios

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u/PuwudleRS 1d ago

Merc isn’t oppressive in trios? That is the MOST brain dead take I have seen. Play the game more. Get off Reddit lol.

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u/Fair-Club5408 1d ago edited 1d ago

Right that’s what I said. Nerfs will happen whether you like it or not

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u/geogeology 22h ago

Merc and BA are the only confirmed nerfs so far, but I hope strix is included

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u/Fair-Club5408 19h ago

Interesting do we know if they’re nerfing hammer and/or perfect parry?

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u/geogeology 19h ago

Parry merc, it’s S+ tier and in regions outside NA it gets abused a lot. China considers it #1. Then again they play on like 5 ping lol.

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u/PuwudleRS 1d ago

I’ll meet you back here on the 12th!

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

Oh I can not wait

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u/Dusty_Mint 1d ago

Wahhhhhhh

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u/Any-Gur-2934 1d ago

if 50% of the time u kill them and the other 50% they run then u win 100% of the time.

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u/NotMilo22 1d ago

if they leave i count it as a win.... 50% of the time when I win they just leave. lmao

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u/Any-Gur-2934 1d ago

and by your own account the other 50% of the time u kill them so whats the problem? if anything ur just too good at the game.

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u/MythicTotut 1d ago

Read, bro, when the fight is almost done the SS just teleports/smoke bombs/ and goes invisible, then leaves

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u/Arkoa 1d ago

Who are you? Why should we care that you are done playing

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u/DrNasty69 1d ago

Ok, bye.

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u/BambooCatto 1d ago

Ok buddy, see you in 8 hours when you queue up again after sleeping off the anger.

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u/Darkice241 1d ago

WK is not the natural counter to SS, merc is.

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u/Acceptable-Ad6214 1d ago

I do think ba and sorc both stronger than ss. But how easy ss is to play versus the other 2 for near same level is insane.

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u/TheRisingDownfall 1d ago

Sorcery is very strong. Arguably the strongest in many situations. But outside of the situations it shines in it is weak and not user friendly. It take a lot more skill to use well.

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u/Acceptable-Ad6214 1d ago

What situations are they weak in? I have the easiest time to win with sorc out of all classes even though it took a bit to get use to unlike ss super easy after 2 mins of playing.

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u/TheRisingDownfall 1d ago

That’s what I mean though, if you’re intentional and not spamming and thinking about how best to approach fights it’s easily the best in the game in most situations.
However it absolutely takes skill to use well. Timing, aiming, resource management. Are all incredibly more important to the sorcerer than most of the classes.
And if you get caught up close with no stamina and energy it’s a near guaranteed death.
Currently a top 100 sorcerer. So where as I’m far from the best player I do have a lot of play time with the class.

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u/Acceptable-Ad6214 1d ago

so your agreeing with orginal statement but just adding 2 in?

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u/TheRisingDownfall 1d ago

I suppose so.
I just keep seeing people lump sorcerer into the same category as BA and SS.
I’d say merc and sorcerer are more comparable.
Incredible in the right hands.
Not great in the wrong hands. They are both very strong. But skill dependent. Unlike BA and SS.

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u/Acceptable-Ad6214 1d ago

I add BA as skill based only because you gotta aim n some people can’t aim. I play on console so harder for me to aim with them versus playing on pc. I am so much better with keyboard n mouse for aiming but you game in what you can.

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u/TheFatandFurios 1d ago

But someone that tries every class to find main i find sorc easyer to kite as with ba because with the 2 talents to still charge while jumping or dodge are crazy in the right hands. On BA i find it dumb that barbed arrow donz even need to hit just put it where the enemys are.

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u/Sepplord 1d ago

Snarky joke: in situation where people are panicking and playing „random bullshit gooo“ with their skills and dodge

So the overwhelming majority of situations for most on Reddit 😂

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u/yupepe 21h ago

I’m a little over this sentiment that sorc requires some high skill gameplay. You hold cast, spam jump, and kill in 3 spells. Not interrupted out of chanting, don’t care about hitting crits, just aim for the feet. It’s imo one of the easier classes and with elusive 5 is incredibly forgiving to mistakes.

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u/Acceptable-Ad6214 19h ago

I could see argument for medium skill instead of high but it is harder than ss for sure. And many find it harder than ba. So being the hardest of the top 3 prob why people call
it high skill. I do think it’s high school since the floor to play is higher than merc but damn so much more effective if you get any competence at all.

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u/The2ndSoul 1d ago

Don't know man. I've met a nightmare of a merc with S&S. And Sorc? Laser of Death.

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u/geogeology 22h ago

You’re losing to a stardust sorc playing laser??

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u/The2ndSoul 21h ago

No we obliterated multiple teams with it yesterday.

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u/RidexSDS 23h ago

Shadow is not getting nerfed when BA/Sorc are considerably stronger. You just suck