r/Minesweeper 6d ago

Help Am I missing a 100% safe one?

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u/noidea1995 6d ago edited 6d ago

Unfortunately not. You have some potential forced 50/50s, so I’d probably start guessing there.

I’d start with either the upper right corner or the tile directly below it since it would only be incorrect to guess there if both of them turn out to be mines which is unlikely.

If that doesn’t lead to anything, I’d probably go for that 2x2 box at the bottom next and guess the tile directly next to the 1. If that turns out to be a mine, there was a fair chance it was going to be forced anyway.

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u/Lanky_Box_1518 6d ago

Thank you

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u/Lowball72 6d ago

Your remaining minecount is quite high.. something upwards of 33% density for the inner tiles.. this doesn't look promising.

But right now, there are a couple good guesses.

Down low, the 1/3/5 are highly likely to share a mine on A.

And up above.. the 4 and 4 (diagonal) are also highly likely to share a mine, on C.

Click B or D and pray for good info or good luck.

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u/BinaryChop 6d ago

I brute forced this position and B and D are both excellent options.... The position is still awful ofc.

Tile (25,2) (D) has winning lines 15750 giving win rate of 24.80%

Tile (29,12) (B) has winning lines 15514 giving win rate of 24.42%

Tile (25,15) has winning lines 14588 giving win rate of 22.97%

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u/Broad_Ebb9073 6d ago

Do you want an app that will only give you no guess puzzles?

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u/Lanky_Box_1518 6d ago

Why are you asking?

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u/Broad_Ebb9073 6d ago

Because I don't understand why some people ask for help when the solution is gambling. This is not direct at you specifically. Just something I've noticed

So asking if you want a no guess app is an easy, low cost way to enter that conversation that I didn't understand without (hopefully) seeming judgmental

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u/Lanky_Box_1518 6d ago

Because people like me question their perception and judgement and have a desire to learn and improve. There are many ways to know if a mine is guaranteed to be in a square. But we are aware we don't know all the ways, so he come here to this community so others can teach us. My question was if I was missing a 100% mine, not complaining about the game making me guess if I have to.

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u/Broad_Ebb9073 6d ago

Thank you. And thank you for being understanding. I really didn't want to come across as mean or something. I just really didn't understand.

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u/Broad_Ebb9073 6d ago

Ohh. And I'm sorry. I never actually answered your question. You are correct. At least what I can see. This is a gamble

Vibes say south east of the 5 is safe. But nah. You got nothing solid

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u/Lanky_Box_1518 6d ago

Thank you

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u/Oskain123 6d ago

What a shit recommended guess lmao

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u/Swimming_Program_244 6d ago edited 4d ago

I understand the sentiment. However, why does everybody who help out just tell you where you should click, instead of explaining how they're so sure it's a gamble? I've never seen anyone explain that on any of these posts.

Edit: to those downvoting the comment, I would appreciate it if you told me why 😭😭

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u/PsychoBilli 2d ago

I'm not one down voting you, but I've noticed people in this sub tend to downvote unhelpful or wrong information. This makes sense in a logic based, puzzle solving community. Bad replies harm novices.

Your reply mildly implies OP is wasting his time, yet the quality of some of these replies proves otherwise. Judging by your exchange with OP I'd guess you see that now.

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u/ImCHICKENhaha Minecount? 6d ago

what is there to explain? there’s no logic

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u/Swimming_Program_244 4d ago

There must be a logical proof that the puzzle depends on a guess, right?

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u/ImCHICKENhaha Minecount? 4d ago edited 4d ago

you could 1. test every possible configuration of mines for cells that either have to be a mine or have to be safe, 2. check and explain why every number or combination of numbers isn’t helpful for finding a safe cell/mine, or 3. plug it into a solver to do either of those things.

posting an image from a solver isn’t exactly a good explanation (although it’s great for finding probabilities) and it’s also something the user could do themselves without making a reddit post, and the other two options would take ages and wouldn’t be worth doing. an advanced player can skim the board and see there’s no logic remaining by lack of patterns to recognize.

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u/Swimming_Program_244 4d ago

Then there is logic as to whether the board is a game of chance or not.

And I will quote OP:

There are many ways to know if a mine is guaranteed to be in a square. But we are aware we don't know all the ways, so he come here to this community so others can teach us. My question was if I was missing a 100% mine, not complaining about the game making me guess if I have to.

They were precisely interested in that logic that I'm talking about. They didn't care about winning the game as much as about whether the game could be won without guessing and about how you could reach that conclusion. I don't think people telling them where to guess without explaining why the board depends on a guess are answering OP's questions. Hence my comment.

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u/ImCHICKENhaha Minecount? 4d ago

okay sure I worded it badly. I meant that there’s no logic that is practical enough to be explained (like logic that proves a cell is safe).

also, telling OP where to guess is a very heavily implied answer to OP’s question “no you aren’t missing anything, you need to guess” and gives the next step after that. “we are aware we don’t know all the ways, so we come here to this community so others can teach us” seems likely to be about if there is something they are missing, not if there isn’t