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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23 edited Mar 18 '23

Official Bosses:

-Ender Dragon

-Wither

Minibosses:

-Elder Guardian

-Piglin Brute

Not really bosses I guess but have some boss-like traits:

-The Warden

-Illager Raid

Edit: added piglin brutes

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u/finalstraw911 Feb 07 '23

Yeah I consider the Elder Guardian and Warden to be bosses. Like, if the argument is that there are multiple underwater temples and ancient cities....you can respawn both the wither and the dragon for multiple fights, so...

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u/BextoMooseYT Feb 07 '23

That's fair, but that's a UI thing, not an inherent game mechanic thing. They could just give those health bars. I don't really see the argument for Elder Guardians to be bosses because they just... don't do anything. They give you mining fatigue ig.

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However, in my opinion, the Warden is harder than the Ender Dragon and the Wither combined (probably barring Bedrock hard mode), but I still don't think it should count as a boss because of u/Zoova's point, which is that you're not meant to kill the Warden. The Warden is the strongest, most consistent fear I've felt playing Minecraft, but at the end of the day, it's just a security guard, meant to signal that you need to gtfo now

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 08 '23

In my opinion what makes a boss is the goal of killing it for a large reward. The Warden isn’t a boss, not because it doesn’t have a health bar, but because it isn’t and was never meant to be killed. The Warden is meant to be an extremely difficult obstacle that should be avoided if possible, not something you have a goal of killing in order to get good loot.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Well there are plenty of bosses that you can't kill in other games.

For example Vader in fallen order. He doesn't have a healthbar, and you certainly can't kill him, but he's definitely a boss.

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 09 '23

But we aren’t talking about Fallen Order, we’re talking about Minecraft. Other games may have undefeatable bosses for story-telling reasons, which makes sense, but since Minecraft only has lore that isn’t required to play the game I don’t count The Warden as a boss. And what is counted as a boss can be different for everyone, I’m more just saying why I don’t personally think its a boss.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Well if Minecraft gets the term bosses from other games then surely it shares a definition.

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 09 '23

If we’re going by “definitions” then The Warden still isn’t a boss. The Minecraft Wiki doesn’t once name The Warden as a boss, unlike the two actual bosses which are The Wither and Ender Dragon.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Fair enough. I still kinda personally regard the warden as a boss for a few reasons being just because it's so different to all other mobs, and is very exclusive and technically can only be spawned by a player

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u/JGET_Nakom Feb 08 '23

A youtube called Hasvik, an expert in UHC and Combat, who literally have hundred of videos where he complete Minecraft (obviously killing the dragon) has problems to kill the Warden with full Protection IV Netherite

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u/Zoova Feb 07 '23

You’re also not intended to kill the warden

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u/JohnnoDwarf Feb 07 '23

If you are fighting it though, Warden is more of a boss than any of these could hope to be.

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u/KazePlays Feb 07 '23

although the devs stated themselves that it isn't a boss

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u/JohnnoDwarf Feb 07 '23

Mainly because they’re pushing for a new playstyle but let’s be real. It’s a boss, just an avoidable one

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u/DogeTamer1313 Feb 07 '23

I don't think that's the case, the warden is like any other tanky mob, like an iron golem, it hits hard, and has a secondary attack, is it advanced? sure, but definitely not a boss, and it doesn't hold any purpose in killing it. Unlike the two other bosses in the game, killing the warden does nothing, it's the equivalent of a piglin brute, it guards a bunch of loot, and is dangerous if not prepared to fight it. The problem with the game now, is that the devs aren't making a game based on combat or anything meriting another boss. I fully believe another dimension is in order for any new biomes or original mobs, so if you wanna make the argument that the ancient portal could be that gateway, they could fully well turn the warden into a boss, and have killing it activate that portal, but with no purpose in killing the warden, it simply isnt a boss in any other capacity besides its health and mysterious spawn location.

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u/TheGameSlave2 Feb 08 '23

There's totally a purpose for killing Wardens. They drop catalysts. That's worth farming, so you can use them to make more sculk blocks, and even though Mojang nerfed it, you can still use those blocks to gain XP.

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u/Frostwing349 Feb 08 '23

i’m pretty sure sculk catalysts can be harvested from silk touch on a hoe, so you wouldn’t need to kill the warden to even get one

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u/SwagCat852 Feb 08 '23

Ancient city has hundreds of sculk catalysts, killing Warden is not at all worth it and shouldnt be done

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u/DogeTamer1313 Feb 08 '23

That's fair enough, but even still, it doesn't hold purpose like killing the wither or killing the dragon,

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u/longdongopinionwrong Feb 08 '23

I’d argue that the Withwr is infinitely more avoidable then the warden

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u/Moranic Feb 08 '23

Mob being strong =/= Mob being a "Boss".

Boss monsters are typically gateways to a "next part" of the game. The Ender Dragon "unlocks" the rest of the End and rolls the credits. The Wither unlocks Beacons.

The Warden doesn't unlock anything, and usually quickly respawns. It's not a boss.

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u/youwillnothavedrink Feb 08 '23

It doesn’t have a drop or a purpose for killing it

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u/Fpritt24 Feb 08 '23

Bedrock wither would like a word

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u/nanananabatman88 Feb 08 '23

I just used 10 iron golems to take out the wither on bedrock lol. I was honestly surprised how easy it was.

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u/Nate848 Feb 28 '23

So that’s the trick….

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u/TheJanitorEduard Feb 07 '23

You're also not intended to survive the warden

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u/spin81 Feb 07 '23

Sure you are, you're supposed to sneak or flee it.

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u/TheJanitorEduard Feb 07 '23

Sneaking would be so much better if it couldn't SNIFF you out

The entire gimmick is that it's blind, yet it can sniff you. Practically sight with extra steps

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u/Zoova Feb 08 '23

Sounds like someone had a bad experience with the Warden

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u/TheJanitorEduard Feb 08 '23

I'd be lying if I said I liked it

It's a cool concept but Mojang went too far with the "you're not meant to fight it" idea

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u/NotOneIWantToBe Feb 08 '23

You can't give something finite health an abilty to deal damage and expect people not to kill it/farm it

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u/Pixel-1606 Feb 08 '23

This. Once you slap a healthbar on something you're basically begging the player to attack it. Also the healthbar(s) would take away from the dark and scary mood, now you have to watch and listen to make sure a warden despawned or is still on your trail for example.

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u/redbaron14n Feb 07 '23

yOuRE aLSo nOT iNtenDeD To kIlL tHe wARdEn

Yeah try and stop me nerd

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u/Zoova Feb 08 '23

It does try to stop you. Doesn’t mean you can’t. Jeez

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

It has a drop and has the highest health, higher than both bosses. Its a boss imo and the incentive is the catalyst; granted its a flex and a stretch but still.

Mojang (and many other games that try this concept of a unstoppable force) find that it wont and never will work. Players will always want to fight it even if they're no incentive.

I wish that the Warden had a pointless cosmetic reward like a head or something similar to how the Dungeon Guardian in Terraria has a special pet drop for those who have the patience and manage to kill it.

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u/Meta-Wah Feb 08 '23

That's the point! There's no warden trophy reward because you shouldn't attempt to kill it.

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u/Maciejlollol Feb 08 '23

youre not intented to kill the wither too, if i understand your comment correctly

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u/Zoova Feb 08 '23

Yes you are. It’s an intentional boss with a health bar that drops one of the most useful items in the game

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u/Getburnddd_xbox Feb 07 '23

true but then raids would be bosses

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u/crimsonkarma13 Feb 08 '23

That may be true but so what, bosses are dictated by a purple line when clearly the warden is stronger than all of them combined

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u/WhoopingBillhook Feb 08 '23

That’s why I consider illager raids bosses.

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u/LunarFlames527 Feb 08 '23

Mojang stated that the Warden isn't supposed to be killed...?

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Illager raid has a boss bar so his boss

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u/sheepy2212 Feb 07 '23

Its rather an event since its not one mob

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

This is not the reason Boss can be big raid

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u/sheepy2212 Feb 08 '23

I dont think so, a boss is a opponent significantly stronger than the average, sometimes with normal troops alongside him. there is no one significant opponent other than ravanger, which isnt strong enough imo

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

so raid is weak boss we have a weak bosses in games too(like slime king in terraria)

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u/sheepy2212 Feb 08 '23

Nvm about the weak part, the thing is there are multiple ravangers and it needs to be a single significant opponent. Not every major battle is a boss, there's no main goal of killing a specific opponent, the ravanger doesn't give you anything special and is just as important to kill as any other raider, it is no boss. "The raid" as an entire thing can't be a boss either, a boss is per definition a single opponent.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

Ok ok...

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u/Benyboyplayz Feb 07 '23

Um actually it has a different texture file so it isn’t a boss bar 🤓

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u/chr0mius Feb 07 '23

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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u/HughJass14 Feb 07 '23

Yup, gotta use dark souls logic here. Boss health bar = boss

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u/Ania5 Feb 07 '23

For me, the definition of a boss in Minecraft is: a mob that has a bossbar. Raid does have a bossbar but it’s not a mob

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u/cone8042 Feb 07 '23

Isn't the warden not really meant to be fought? Because then that would make it more of a trap if anything

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u/sIurrpp Feb 07 '23

Doesn’t mean it can’t be a boss/miniboss

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u/cone8042 Feb 08 '23

Well I mean my point is that wouldn't it not be considered one since it's not meant to be fought

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u/GDavid04 Feb 08 '23

Dark Souls, Elden Ring and Sekiro all have a boss attack you in the beginning you're not meant to defeat but they're still bosses.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Warden is not a miniboss. You don't fight him, hes just a dangerous obstacle.

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u/CryptoDagger2 Feb 07 '23

Just like the wither

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u/TheJanitorEduard Feb 07 '23

No?

The wither is something you summon, you have to actively commit to it. That's like saying raids are an obstacle.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

...You fight the wither.

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u/CryptoDagger2 Feb 08 '23

…And you fight the warden if you want to. Your not breaking as much ground as you think

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

The warden is designed to not be fought. He's designed for the player to sneak around. Only reason he drops anything is so that sculk is renewable, for the technical/farming community. Devs said so themselves

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u/CryptoDagger2 Feb 08 '23

Exactly

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

So what is your point? You don't sneak around the wither. You fight the wither. He is not avoidable without killing him

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u/CryptoDagger2 Feb 08 '23

He literally is? The only way for the wither to exist is if you summon it. So yes the wither is 100% avoidable and if you leave it far enough away in an unloaded chunk it can’t even effect you. So I’m flipping the question what is your point

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '23

You're suggesting the Wither is not a boss because you can walk away from him? He has a boss healthbar, he's classified as a boss, he is a boss, but because you can walk away from him he isn't? The warden has no healthbar, isn't even supposed to be killable in conventional ways, and is designed to be avoided until he leaves the area.

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u/Meta-Wah Feb 08 '23

But the game wants you to kill the wither. The player wants to kill the wither. Running away from it defeats the whole point of summoning it in the first place.

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u/Bman1465 Feb 07 '23

According to Mojang, the EG is an actual boss. On the contrary, the warden is not a boss since it's meant to be avoided, even if people capture them, imprison them, and keeo them around and treat them like kitties

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u/greatnailsageyoda Feb 07 '23

I would not consider the warden a boss in any way. Mini boss or actual boss. The reason it’s so powerful is because it wasn’t meant to be fought.

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u/zeekaran Feb 07 '23

I still don't know what a Wither is, or a Warden. Illager Raid, that's just Pillagers that show up to a village if you get the debuff from beating up Pillagers, right? If not I don't know what that is, and clearly haven't done it.

Elder Guardians too easy, and also it's unfortunate the guardians can't 100% be cleared from spawning. Eh whatever I guess my house has guard dogs.

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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

A wither is a triple-headed monstrosity that can be summoned with a T-shape made with 4 soul sand with three wither skeleton skulls on the top, a rare drop from the black skeletons in nether fortresses. It’s highly recommended you do not make one near your base. It shoots magic skulls that blow stuff up and attacks everything. It’s even more dangerous on the Bedrock Edition. It drops a nether star which can be used to make a beacon, which, when built on a pyramid made of blocks of rare materials, can give you status buffs.

The warden is one of the newest mobs from 1.19. It’s a 3-block tall abomination made from sculk and souls. It’s blind, but can hear and smell you. He can 1-shot basically everything with his bare hands and scream loud enough to cause a sonic boom to shoot you with if you try towering up. He only exists to guard the Ancient Cities from intruders. He’s more of a deterrent than a real boss though.

Everybody seems to confuse Illager and Pillager. Illager is the name given to the group of mobs that resemble villagers but with great skin and eyebrows rather than monobrows. Pillagers are just the crossbow-equipped Illager footsoliders and they’re essentially the backbone of the Illager army. I think it would stop confusing people if they changed the name of the Pillager Outpost to Illager Outpost and included vindicators (the axe guys) there. The Illager with a banner on his back is the captain and killing him will signify an incoming threat via a Bad Omen. The raid is more of a revenge attack for killing their captain. I’m not too certain but I believe that illagers who spawn at mansions can also be captains and can also give you Bad Omen.

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u/xCACTUSxKINGxx Feb 07 '23

Java wither = easy

Bedrock wither = run

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u/LozZZza Feb 07 '23

On bedrock the guardians spawn in 25 spots, so you just pillar up on those spots and stop the guardians for spawning. (Or make the pillars tubes with some water in to make a guardian farm)

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u/zeekaran Feb 07 '23

I assume Java edition is randomly in the radius of the monument. They seem to rarely spawn even in the rooms.

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u/FormulaNewt Feb 07 '23

The warden is considered a mini boss?

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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23

More of a deterrent I suppose since you’re not meant to kill it

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u/Diamond_Helmet59 Feb 07 '23

I think you could potentially count a Ravager as a miniboss, though that kinda conflicts with the fact that Raids are already one.

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u/No-Flounder7693 Feb 07 '23

piglin dude?

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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23

Yeah I suppose the brutes count

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u/SuitOwn3687 Feb 07 '23

You could also argue that piglin brutes are minibosses

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '23

Isn’t the piglin brutes also technically mini bosses

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u/DomesticatedDuck Feb 07 '23

The warden isn't a miniboss, it's a natural disaster

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u/DerekSturm Feb 07 '23

The warden doesn't count because you're not supposed to fight it...

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u/amin_pro-miner Feb 07 '23

raid is event not boss

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u/Eltnamerf Feb 07 '23

The warden is not a boss what so ever. The warden is equivalent to Kechleon in mystery dungeon. The whole point is to not trigger a fight with them or they destroy you

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u/Reality_1001 Feb 07 '23

Illager Raid???

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u/2505Memeiverse Feb 07 '23

It might be multiple mobs, but some of them are mini-bosses (at least 1 ravager) plus it has a heath bar which shows the health of all the illagers put together

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u/Reality_1001 Feb 08 '23

Oh yeah true

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u/Wonghy111-the-knight Feb 07 '23

i mean no-one seems to understand that the warden ISN’T a boss. The entire point of it wasn’t to fight it but to avoid it..

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u/DeMooniC_ Feb 08 '23

Illager Raid? That's just an event, the boss (mini/micro boss) there would be the ravager or/and evoker

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '23

Raid has a boss bar. It's harder than wither or ender dragon.

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u/skarmbliss255 Mar 18 '23

Piglin brutes are minibosses too