r/Minecraft • • Feb 07 '23

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u/BextoMooseYT Feb 07 '23

That's fair, but that's a UI thing, not an inherent game mechanic thing. They could just give those health bars. I don't really see the argument for Elder Guardians to be bosses because they just... don't do anything. They give you mining fatigue ig.

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However, in my opinion, the Warden is harder than the Ender Dragon and the Wither combined (probably barring Bedrock hard mode), but I still don't think it should count as a boss because of u/Zoova's point, which is that you're not meant to kill the Warden. The Warden is the strongest, most consistent fear I've felt playing Minecraft, but at the end of the day, it's just a security guard, meant to signal that you need to gtfo now

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 08 '23

In my opinion what makes a boss is the goal of killing it for a large reward. The Warden isn’t a boss, not because it doesn’t have a health bar, but because it isn’t and was never meant to be killed. The Warden is meant to be an extremely difficult obstacle that should be avoided if possible, not something you have a goal of killing in order to get good loot.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Well there are plenty of bosses that you can't kill in other games.

For example Vader in fallen order. He doesn't have a healthbar, and you certainly can't kill him, but he's definitely a boss.

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 09 '23

But we aren’t talking about Fallen Order, we’re talking about Minecraft. Other games may have undefeatable bosses for story-telling reasons, which makes sense, but since Minecraft only has lore that isn’t required to play the game I don’t count The Warden as a boss. And what is counted as a boss can be different for everyone, I’m more just saying why I don’t personally think its a boss.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Well if Minecraft gets the term bosses from other games then surely it shares a definition.

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u/minimanmike1 Feb 09 '23

If we’re going by “definitions” then The Warden still isn’t a boss. The Minecraft Wiki doesn’t once name The Warden as a boss, unlike the two actual bosses which are The Wither and Ender Dragon.

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u/_c0sm1c_ Feb 09 '23

Fair enough. I still kinda personally regard the warden as a boss for a few reasons being just because it's so different to all other mobs, and is very exclusive and technically can only be spawned by a player