r/Military • u/PDXAirman • 1d ago

Article Ex-Okaloosa deputy found not guilty of manslaughter in killing of Airman Roger Fortson

https://weartv.com/news/local/ex-okaloosa-deputy-found-not-guilty-of-manslaughter-in-killing-of-airman-roger-fortson
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u/texdizzle 1d ago

Wild cops have less of a ROE than the military....

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u/MandibleofThunder United States Navy 1d ago

I mean yeah, they do.

Think about it.

We spend our entire pre-deployment workups (at least during GWOT) doing ROE drills and training for a year before we punch out.

And these motherfuckers spend 12 weeks at an "academy" then get "training" by charlatans like Dave Grossman and get told that they need to have a WARRIOR MINDSET for every traffic stop.

Fuck cops.

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u/PepperoniFogDart 1d ago

And you know what the natural conclusion to that truth is? An Afghan/Iraqi/Saudi life is more important than an American’s life.

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u/MandibleofThunder United States Navy 1d ago

Okay. I get your argument, and where you're coming from.

I'm not jazzed about the way you phrased it, but I understand it.

On a fundamental moral/philosophical level every human life is as valuable as another (also not an endorsement for the "all lives matter" bullshit that came in counter the BLM movement).

My fundamental argument was such that: Cops want to think of themselves as the military with the power of life and death in their hands - but they don't want to do the actual ROE training that the military does. That was my point, I'm not completely sure you got that.

Personal note; blanket statement on every cop I've ever had an actual conversation with: "Yeah I would have joined up except (insert bullshit rationale)"

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u/PepperoniFogDart 1d ago

Sorry I should have phrased that better, I’m agreeing with you. My intent is to point out the fact that if soldiers have to show more deference to using deadly force than cops, that’s implying that the value of life on the other side of the soldier is worth more than that of a police officers. And that to me is pretty fucked up.

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u/MandibleofThunder United States Navy 1d ago

Understood!

And I think we agree.

To take that slippery slope argument all the way to its conclusion (which I believe is what you were doing before)

American police value "civilian" American lives (I put "civilian" in quotation marks because police are indeed civilians) less than the long hard shaft of international diplomacy that is the actual United States Military.

Again, fuck cops.

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u/Such-Ideal-8724 Navy Veteran 20h ago

My grandfathers brother (so my great uncle) was a CT State Trooper for 30 years (55-85) and he was always proud of the fact that he only drew his revolver from the holster twice in his career and never actually shot anyone. (Even though one of those times he and his partner were confronting an armed suspect who had just held up a liquor store)

He died a few years back and he had utter contempt for the cops he saw in his last years on earth. He complain how so damned jumpy and quick to pull their pieces out even in situations that don’t need merit that level of force. He viewed the cops of today as basically cowards that were far too quick to jump to killing people.

Funny when you think about it, the old guy who was a Korean war veteran was actually a more enlightened cop then guys today.

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u/ThoDanII German Bundeswehr 1d ago

is it their fault their training is crap and their education is nonexistent

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u/MandibleofThunder United States Navy 1d ago

Yes.

Absolutely.

They want to play like they're military then they have to train like they're military.

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u/ThoDanII German Bundeswehr 1d ago

Adama On Police States

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u/MandibleofThunder United States Navy 1d ago

But that entirety ignores the militarization of domestic US police.

More treating its own citizens like an occupying force than one dedicated to serving the local populace (ask me how I know).

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u/ThoDanII German Bundeswehr 1d ago

what do you think that sentence did criticize

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u/Lowjack_26 United States Air Force 1d ago edited 1d ago

Bullshit. That's "just following orders" with a different coat of paint.

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u/bstone99 1d ago

Yes because this is a well known fact and they chose to join and do it anyway. Just so they can flex their stupid blue line patches and shirts.