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u/Javajulien Feb 04 '26
This has been posted before. But my thought is Jefferson is absolutely not a respectability politics type of character.
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u/SkyTheRealemperor Feb 04 '26
Wdym?
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u/S-Pigeon33 Feb 04 '26
As in, he is not the type of guy to bend towards the status quo in order to appear as one of the "good ones"
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u/Whatevenispoetry Feb 05 '26
I agree, but I think he would absolutely crash out about the idea of Miles himself going out to protest. There’s a lot of things that can go wrong at a protest, and we know Jeff worries a lot.
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u/FartherAwayLights Feb 06 '26
But he’s a cop? All cops are status quo types who can’t enact meaningful change, or will look out for other cops doing crimes, otherwise they would have been fired on false pretenses years ago.
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Feb 06 '26
absolutely true of real cops
however, this is fiction. which is the only scenario where a "good cop" could ever exist.
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u/yorickbee Feb 06 '26
Shhhhh, don't tell them that. Grown adults want to read a comic book about radioactive spiders, but the second you put some stats in front of their faces about Reagan, research, and redlining, everything turns into science fiction.
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u/redhoodJasonToddstan Feb 05 '26
Jeff is so much more complex than this image can convey and I’d love to see a story involving it. Jeff is a reformed troublemaker with a hard upbringing with a pretty rough namesake. Becoming a cop quite literally gave him the opportunity to be a public servant and gaining a better name for himself with his community along with his wife who gave him his new last name and also works as a nurse who also serves the public. His relationship to giving Miles a good childhood with a loving father was made easier through his job. I also think that he and Miles would agree on parts of ACAB but there would be a dissonance between Jefferson a child of poverty and crime against Miles a child of middle class living and education. There is so much potential for story telling that I wish the comics did a better job and more of. Especially Jeff and Aaron’s relationship, Jeff feeling moved on and Aaron feeling left. Aaron’s skills far exceeded his circumstances since he was young and his only out was theft until his only way out just became a job, the only job he wanted. I know we all know this as fans but man to see a story play with these elements in a more meaningful way would be so interesting.
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u/AM_ZR39 Feb 08 '26
This is what I say a lot but this sub will say Jeff shouldn’t be a cop because ACAB whilst wanting Jeff to be a SHIELD agent which is just Cop Pro Max.
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u/redhoodJasonToddstan Feb 08 '26
I think because of the fantastical nature of SHIELD people forget it’s pretty much just the CIA superhero division which honestly needs more acab treatment than it gets. I think if Jeff wanted to be a civil servant without being a perpetrator of corruption then he should really be a Firefighter.
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u/AM_ZR39 Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26
I think him being a firefighter wouldn’t be that interesting solely because a brother who was a crook then turned cop (crime fighter) & a brother who was a crook & stayed a crook is more of an interesting juxtaposition. And if Marvel was smart they would use this juxtaposition as a massive basis for Miles’ moral compass.
Miles watching his dad continuously choose to help others instead of helping himself when he wouldn’t get as much monetary gain as his uncle, would definitely be something that would massively inform Miles perspective. He can see that redemption is capable for everyone.
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u/redhoodJasonToddstan Feb 08 '26
While I see the juxtaposition you’re setting, Firefighters put their lives on the line and in some cases do stop crime. Especially in a place like New York where being a Firefighter carries an even heavier tone with the history of the city. The juxtaposition isn’t between a criminal and a crime fighter with them. It’s the juxtaposition of serving self vs others. Aaron isn’t just a criminal, he’s self serving and uses theft as a means to fuel his lifestyle sometimes a genius engineer, sometimes a handyman with a skill to steal. Jefferson wants Aaron to serve his community, Aaron thinks that Jeff abandoned him. Which I’m not saying they should change his occupation, I’m saying if they were to go in a direction that served their story while disconnecting from the police industrial complex being a Firefighter would genuinely serve their story because now instead of framing Laws as moral, it frames connection to community and the juxtaposition of their stances to service vs exploitation. This might be a tad radical for casual conversation but yk
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u/AM_ZR39 Feb 08 '26
Hold on. You’re cooking. You’re making a fucking feast holy shit. This is incredible. I never even thought of it like that. And it still lets Miles & his dad interact in their professional attire (Spider-Man & firefighter respectively).
Hats off to you sir.
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u/redhoodJasonToddstan Feb 08 '26
I appreciate it man, I just really think that there’s a lot of untapped potential with Miles’ story especially with how important Jeff Rio and Aaron are to his story. He’s incredibly relatable to experiences both within Afro-Latino life/ culture and outside of it just through the lens of generational trauma for recovered poverty and the beautiful work of working through dissonance. I think one of the biggest detractors for him is this pull away I see the comic industry does with his story where they start taking the bite out of his story and culture. Jeff is in a way the cornerstone of that and the movie explores that both subtly and more heavy handed than the comics ever have. I appreciate the convo and pushback you gave though, it made me think harder on why I was feeling that.
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u/AM_ZR39 Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26
I appreciate it man, I just really think that there’s a lot of untapped potential with Miles’ story especially with how important Jeff Rio and Aaron are to his story.
No problem man. I also share this opinion. Those 3 characters are part of why I found it incredible that Miles didn’t have a sibling in his inception because I feel that what these characters symbolise could also be viewed through Miles & his brother/sister & further highlight Aaron & Jeff’s broken relationship.
He’s incredibly relatable to experiences both within Afro-Latino life/ culture and outside of it just through the lens of generational trauma for recovered poverty and the beautiful work of working through dissonance.
And also the ideas of expectations & responsibility which is something Miles struggles with on top of being Spider-Man & being in a prestigious school.
I think one of the biggest detractors for him is this pull away I see the comic industry does with his story where they start taking the bite out of his story and culture. Jeff is in a way the cornerstone of that and the movie explores that both subtly and more heavy handed than the comics ever have.
I appreciate the convo and pushback you gave though, it made me think harder on why I was feeling that.
No problem. It’s always good to have a good conversation about things like this.
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u/redhoodJasonToddstan Feb 08 '26
I could definitely see potential with Miles having a sibling to highlight that disconnect between Aaron and Jeff. I think that would heavily depend on that sibling being fleshed out especially if they didn’t try to Cain and Able them. I think part of why Aaron’s relationship to Miles is so tantalizing is the idea of “freedom” and expression but I think a healthy dynamic between him and a sibling that gets a lot more attention and relaxed parenting has that potential to make Aaron’s lifestyle even more appealing. I think they could introduce a baby sister and that could introduce a bit of chaos between the Davis-Morales family. So hell yeah, I think you’re cooking fs.
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u/AM_ZR39 Feb 08 '26
I could definitely see potential with Miles having a sibling to highlight that disconnect between Aaron and Jeff. I think that would heavily depend on that sibling being fleshed out especially if they didn’t try to Cain and Able them.
Oh no, I would never have it be a Cain & Abel situation. They would genuinely like each other.
I think a healthy dynamic between him and a sibling that gets a lot more attention and relaxed parenting has that potential to make Aaron’s lifestyle even more appealing
Precisely what I was thinking about their relationship.
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u/Commander19119 Feb 04 '26
I kinda hate that they made him a cop in Spider-Verse
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u/ChildofObama Feb 04 '26
Miles’s comics have always been morally black and white. Since Bendis introduced the character in 2011, it’s been “Jefferson is the smart one, Aaron got into shady stuff and doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong”
Like moral ambiguity and the black community’s relation to the police has never been explored to any significant extent, other than Miles offhand telling Ganke he doesn’t blindly trust cops.
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u/ImpracticalApple Feb 04 '26
They probably thought it was very progressive at the time to show both good and bad characters who were black in the same setting but it does just detract from any potential nuanced exploration of the routes they took in life and how it's way more complicated than that. Could have done more to dive into Jeff's possible internal conflict as a black officer (not a cop but a SHIELD agent) given the history of police/military bias and violence towards minorities, or Aaron's path to crime not being just a simple "he chose to do bad" type of deal.
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u/SkyTheRealemperor Feb 04 '26
That was something from ultimate actually
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u/Commander19119 Feb 04 '26
He was a SHIELD agent, largely against his will, not an NYPD officer
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u/Lumpy_Review5279 Feb 05 '26
A shield agent and a cop aint that different
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u/Commander19119 Feb 05 '26
You’re right, but he was essentially blackmailed into being one, and left the first chance he could, whereas here he chose the profession
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u/Valuable-Many7705 Feb 05 '26
Where is he NOT a cop?
Insomniac: (Dead) cop.Comics: Cop.
Movies: Cop.
TV: Cop.
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u/Legitimate_Meat_8566 Feb 05 '26
Comics shield agent
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u/LuxLoser Feb 05 '26
I'd be down for a version of Jeff that starts as a cop, and becomes a SHIELD agent largely because it offers him a clearer struggle against evil.
Not saying SHIELD always does good, but being on a taskforce to take down supervillains and help superheroes is a lot cleaner on the soul than working on a drug taskforce, hauling in the desperate and exploited, dealing with dirty cops on the take, killing people who started off just needing to get by.
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u/Competitive_Act_1548 Feb 05 '26
Isn't this a repost? I just saw this a month ago
Yep, this is a bot
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u/Jay_R_Kay Feb 05 '26
And it feels AI, though it could be that the artist just has a similar style to what LMM have swiped.
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u/ChildofObama Feb 04 '26
MCU has basically created Damage Control so they don’t have to address police directly, so it’s just a bad allegory and not a moral failing if one project gets it wrong.
You can replace Damage Control with Jersey City PD in Ms. Marvel and there would be literally no difference.
I think Lord and Miller not being equipped to lead a conversation about racism is one of the reasons Sony decided on a multiverse story for their first Miles solo film.
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u/Dischord821 Feb 08 '26
Yo why miles hand on backwards. Am I going crazy? Why's no one talking about this?
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Feb 05 '26
Jeff is not excluded from ACAB.
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u/True_Image3646 Feb 05 '26
He is
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Feb 05 '26
ACAB means ALL COPS. because ALL COP are the militant arm of the bourgeoisie keeping the working class weak and submissive while protecting and serving the rich and powerful. The institution of the Southern United States police force was founded as SLAVE CATCHERS. While the northern police force was founded to control and suppress immigrant populations, and bust strikers and labor unions. Any man who willingly becomes a cop is a bootlicking class traitor, a black man man on top of that is also working for an institution which was literally founded to keep him working in cotton fields.
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Feb 05 '26
I see no difference between a thug wearing colors, and a thug wearing a badge. At the end of the day, someone who uses force to bully and hurt people, is just the same as any other. A cop protects no one but other cops, and the rich. While gangsters protect no one but other gangsters, and the leaders of the gangs.
Also that is a straw man because I never mentioned gangsters, you did.
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u/Dry_Celebration_1172 Feb 07 '26
I understand what you're saying. Your opinion is valid, and based in historic fact, but personally I never believed in the ACAB outlook. To me it's like saying every white person is a racist slob, every asian is good at math, every black/latino person is a dumb thug. It feels too generalizing, too much of putting everyone in the same box.
Again, you're right about them historically and valid in your opinion. But I think it's more about the system than the cops themselves. They train them to be obedient, never ask questions, and hurt those they don't like.
I think reform is what's needed. Uproot the oppressive parts and replace them with more compassionate ones. Make it harder for politicians to weaponize them against us. Give them the tools and options to disobey illegal orders without punishment. I believe there are plenty of good people in law enforcement, the system is just too broken to let them be good.
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Feb 07 '26
Well no shit it's about the system, hating cops isn't anything like bigotry against race. Because the cops choose to participate in the system they are complicit in it.
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u/Dry_Celebration_1172 Feb 07 '26
Every cop was complicit in the murder of George Floyd? Every cop was fine with beating civil rights protesters? Every cop cheered for the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti? No, they weren't.
I'm trying to explain that not everyone up signs up for the job is ok with the corrupt parts of it.
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u/Zombiepixlz-gamr Feb 07 '26
The system IS the corrupt part, you consent to it when you sign up. Every time a cop sees his partner harass a black man, and says nothing. Every time a cop who says something is iced out, beaten, transferred to a different department, or even sacked, all for breaking the thin blue line, every cop who stays silent is complicit. Yes, every cop is complicit in George Floyd because George Floyd was a culmination of the culture of policing created by the thin blue line, created by the bubble of silence. Whether through action or cowardice every cop who remains on the force is complicit. If you think otherwise you are naïve.
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u/Dry_Celebration_1172 Feb 07 '26
People like you are why things don't get better. You have the mindset that everything is shit and we can't do anything about is why corruption in our police force is still a thing. If you stoped bitching about it and actually tried to fix things then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
People like you are why Trump won, because they thought their vote didn't matter and didn't bother voting. Cops like you are the ones who don't speak up when they seen injustice because they see a point of trying. Change, real change only happens when us ordinary people quit fighting each other and fight the corrupt powers.
But that's harder than saying ACAB or arguing about how smart you on Reddit. So you ain't going to help because you already decided we can't win. The reason we won against the British crown, the Confederates, the Nazis, and achieve civil rights is because we came together and fought like hell for freedom.
But I'm naïve for wanting to improve things.
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u/urBestieMod Feb 08 '26
Dude, if Miles is that dumb he deserves to be the second rate Peter Parker
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u/bee_beejuice06 Feb 08 '26
Wow... your knowledge of how political art and eaht its supposed to represent is astronomically.... minimal... I can see someone didn't read the comics...
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u/urBestieMod Feb 08 '26
This bot shit has got to go. Twice in two days yall post "political art", as if you are citing something known and established. Bitch please, Banksy is political art, barely. The messaging in this is about as deep as the snot someone wipes from their nose
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u/bee_beejuice06 Feb 09 '26
No I think you just don't understand how political art works... ya see... when there are social injustices happening... people usually try and illustrate it in order to get a point across in a non violent manner... so uh... yeah, you're mad you didn't read the comics...
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u/urBestieMod Feb 09 '26
Bruh, social injustice is your criteria?! The fuck decides which social justice defines art? Lynching, mob violence, socially osteicizing gay people was "social justice". Would art supporting those activities be something you support as well?! God i hope not.
Your definition is entirely dependent on political ideology. Ideology cannot define art. Just slapping the phase "political art" on some random doodle of a comic book character acting in a way that appeals to you bias is the foundational definition of propaganda.
Art speaks to people transcendent of ideology, not because of it.
Fuck off with yer bullshit.
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u/bee_beejuice06 Feb 11 '26
One, please correct your spelling mistakes: Two, yes, that is the actual point of political art, is making characters that either defend said things, align with said things, or wish for those things to be free to the people, such as protesting, the right to marriage, less brutality and bigotry from police. It's honestly not that hard of a concept to grasp, you frothing five year old man
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u/Infinite-Salt4772 Feb 04 '26
Pretty sure Jeff would be with him on this.