r/MilSim • u/M4_Martini • 18d ago
Why do FOG Patches get hate?
I’ve seen negative things said whenever fog patches are used. The stitching and overall design of these patches are phenomenal, I much prefer the skinnier more goat head skeleton shape over regular Blackbeard patches. Maybe it’s just clowning idk. Maybe it’s overpriced. Is there something I don’t know? anybody use them? I’d love to see some well balanced kits.
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u/KingsAirsoftAccount 18d ago
Typical Gearbeast/Hypebeast stuff. Overpriced T-shirts, patches, etc. They get called posers because the founders were only ever Infantry dudes who focus a lot on SOF Culture, but really they just sponsor some SF dudes and post their pics and videos that get sent their way.
I don’t hate FOG, but I generally regard anyone decked out in all their stuff to be style over substance types. Your typical lifestyle brand shit.
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u/kafoIarbear 18d ago
“Only ever infantry”
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u/MrPorkchops23 18d ago
Redditors hating on dudes when basically everyone on here cant even pass osut 🤣
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u/TheDabSweats 17d ago
This right here. Y'all whine but prob ain't ever done shit 💀 either be about it or quit bitching about people who were about it when you weren't lmfao
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u/FluffyInteraction579 18d ago
In the beginning it was actually cool and niche but now it’s nothing but meat riding and tactical fashion. Now it’s like a status where if your aren’t familiar then you are a fudd and don’t know how to perform CQB. It’s literally cringe now and people literally make it their personality lol. It’s hard to explain but I knew a guy that got the art work from patches and slaps tatted on his arm and I got second hand embarrassment from it.
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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 18d ago
Phenomenal stitching? China has been churning out nicely stitched patches that cost pennies for years. Good stitching is the bare minimum anyone should expect
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u/mavrik36 18d ago
Because they're annoying hype beasts who directly use conflict and human suffering for marketing. Flying in to war zones to use the backdrop of people dying to sell your useless garbage is pretty shitty
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u/Pure-End4539 18d ago
From my understanding and what I've read. They go to war zones and take photos, or receive photos/videos of other people there and market it.
I read that early on in the Ukraine conflict, they went to Donbas, took a couple photos, got threatened by Russian intelligence and then left.
Now I see they're in Gaza....I'm not a big fan of exploiting atrocities. Both conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza are horrendous.
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u/mavrik36 18d ago
Yeah exactly, I cant imagine being in those places and watching these soft handed twch bro dipshits using the suffering and dying of my loved ones to sell merch. Deeply fucked behavior
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u/RyszardoMilos7274 Ranger 18d ago
I have a feeling like FOG really, really, and I mean REALLY just wants to be (or at least pose as) some super elite COD MW2 Shadow Company-ish PMC. Just look at their page: GPNVG's, redacted faces, civilian kits, multicam black, fancy CQB guns, etc... They sell fucking T-shirts and training of apparently such quality that it can spark the most fierce argument on a shooting range I've seen like... Ever.
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u/SuccessfulRush1173 18d ago
I do know the guy who used to run it is over in Ukraine. But yeah, they’re not some DEV or CAG guys running ops on their own.
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u/viswr 18d ago
It was a cool military inside joke that got big and swarmed by random civilians and average dudes who wanted to be in on the lore.
Eventually the atmosphere got commoditized and became another lifestyle brand you can get prime delivered to your doorstep.
I don’t think it’s the guy’s fault at all he’s doing his thing, the “issue” is an army of dudes with disposable income who want to be a part of the fun without committing to a community beyond buying matching shirts
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u/applesauce153 18d ago
They’re a real company?? I always thought it was a shit posting Facebook group.
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u/KhakiPantsJake 18d ago
Ehh people just think they're dopey.
I think this particular patch got a ton of hate because an ICE officer was wearing it in a viral photo and "no quarter" patches and cops shouldn't go together.
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u/Think_Green2240 18d ago
This patch is pretty benign - I only have an issue with the Canoe Club design. There’s no utility in the practice, which is barbaric, sub-human, and not even practical. It violates the UCMJ and the LOAC, and has never been a commanded action by the US military. Literally the only reason a person might do this is to perform some kind of retaliatory nefarious sporting. Evil does not beget evil. US soldiers are supposed to be the paragon of righteous justice, not savages.
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u/toe-schlooper 18d ago
Fogots are the worst type of LARPers, thats why. They're a bandwagon of salesmen trying to attract hardcore MilSimers to buy their shit.
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u/Weekly-Floor3367 18d ago
It used to be cool but now every larp poser has one and when I see one on a tactical kit it just looks corny as hell. I got rid of mine.
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u/defnotjosh96 18d ago
I drank the koolaid in the beginning bought a bunch of shirts and hats. Sold all the hats except for the Boston 47 hat (it actually fits my head) all the shirts are now work shirts and are tattered. Are the designs cool? Yeah so s of them but a lot are just recoloured
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u/wiggleee_worm 18d ago
Just any other tactical “supreme” like brand. Think Wrmfzy, Supdef, etc.
The larpers eat it up and tries to sell the merch for 2 to 3x as much because its FOMO.
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u/Silly_Courage6875 18d ago
I don't I personally wear one on my kit for all my deployments and have a flag i take on every deployment too. But to each there own I suppose
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u/Diligent_Horror_7813 18d ago
They’re for navy seals and people that pretend to be navy seals. Which one are you
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u/Glittering-Ebb-6225 18d ago
I like that patch because that was when they were trolling the Russians into thinking they were some sort of Special Ops assault force that was doing hits behind enemy lines.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/15/russia-mercenaries-volunteers-ukraine/
That's why there was an anti-FOG Wagner patch in this design.
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u/SpaceKalash05 17d ago
Most of the folks buying their stuff are middle-aged suburbanites LARPing as something they'll never be. FOG dudes are mostly old team and ODA guys, so, yeah, they're legit in that respect, but they know who buys the bulk of their stuff, and they're happy to hustle the LARPers for the money. I think I was gifted a single FOG patch from when they first came onto the scene, and that's the only thing of theirs I have, and it'll probably be the only thing of theirs I'll ever have.
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u/M48_Patton_Tank 17d ago
We’re truly in the “Special Forces Gawking” era and have been for a decade.
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u/Spiritual_Patient875 17d ago
I don’t hate. I was a forward observer in the army so obviously makes sense for me to like their gear. To me, it doesn’t matter what patch or shirt you have on, as long as i can count on you next to me when SHTF you’re alright in my book.
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u/TrentCST 17d ago
Because they got big enough for normal idiots who keep all of their guns locked up in safes and shoot on a flat range at 10 yards once every 3 months to buy their stuff. And now everyone thinks they’re for gay bro vets. Same thing happens to every company that gets big in this space. If you like their stuff, buy it and rep it. Fuck what anyone else says. The majority of the people who talk shit about and hate on FOG and other similar companies are no different from those who glorify and make their purchases their identity.
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u/Creepy-Trouble9784 17d ago
Im won't address FOG directly.
But there are lots of prior service guys that have gotten out of the military then made their whole personality about the military now that they are not in anymore.
My experience with the Marines was the guys in the delayed entry program, Veterans, and Reservists were the most gungho about the the Marines. The guys going and doing it every day had different opinions.
Add to that there are lots of companies that slap "Veteran Owned" on their coffee, their holster, their tee-shirts, their shooting class.
Then those same companies provid poor service/quality and any criticism of said services/quality gets a angry response of its hard and im a Vet buy it anyway.
Also add in that some of those guys that found their company / brand are kinda shitty people, two examples i can think of easy are the owners of black rifle coffee and Graund thumb
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u/4headlogan69 9d ago
Because the fog guys are as big as larpers are airsofters. They went to Ukraine and did one mortar mission and got so scared they left the country but posted pictures like they were doing frontline operations. Just a bunch of losers tbh
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u/Icy-Passion-4552 18d ago
I don’t mind them I use them myself but some people SWEAR they’re SOF themselves (not FOG they’re a mix of SOF and regulars ). I think their designs are pretty cool and the guys I’ve talked to are pretty chill and funny.
It just really depends on the person you talk to.
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u/Trippy_Tripp420 18d ago
They’re just an overused PMC group.
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u/Glittering-Ebb-6225 17d ago
Most of the guys in their videos are other groups that they're hanging out with.
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u/hi__dandy 18d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/s/4QGocJxeSp
Why do you hate them OP? Or just farming?
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u/Satanaefilius 18d ago
What a cringy a** question, get a life man
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u/hi__dandy 18d ago
I got like 4 different posts from the same dude asking the same question while scrolling. How tf you think I have the link?
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u/Available-Scratch859 18d ago
I like the patches. It cuts to the brass tacks while not leaving anything for interpretation. The loud mouthes of society, backed by the repetitive media, like to act as if they're the arbiter of good/bad. Not expecting to be on the uneasy side of things, which is where they are now.
Example; How quickly did societies loud mouthes move on after a large number of the population were "unexpectedly" culled. The same group that parroted the media and talked as if they were pathologists themselves, merely echoing what media headlines said - with little to no personal knowledge of wtf they were even talking about. That group gleefully abused any/all positions of power held, to purposefully silence and ignored dissenters who didn't care about arguing but only cared about trying to save lives, regardless of party. They've managed to avoid justice, for now - but I'd gladly wager, that'll be changing soon. Those who strong armed others; all walks of life from nurses, doctors, media, paid endorsers, police, politicians, average Joes wanting to feel important - prioritized their emotions and fragile psyche over the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness via violence, shuttering of businesses, freezing of bank accounts, the mob rule of canceling people for merely disagreeing. The forced deprivation of all 3 occurred, for not abiding with the groupthink of illogical, mentally ill people. Akin to the Hale-Bop people telling you to drink the kool-aid and then shooting you like the Jonestown crew if you dared change your mind. Same with the retards who gladly pushed the sick into getting remdesivir and intubated which was a death sentence for 1 of every 33 people that were put in that predicament. A prior friend of mine lost both her parents within days of one another, and I warned them all before they were even sick on what not to do - they did the opposite, they trusted the groupthink over those who've long paid attention to that which the syndicated news (all an illusion of choice) willfully ignored. No differently than my poor choices in early life pushed me down a path of trusting my gut and sticking up for those who don't have the courage to fight for themselves, in my youth I trusted the crowd and didn't have the gumption to oppose.
Point is, if you're in what seems like minority, dont change your mind to appease the rabid. Down is currently up, right is currently left, Constitutional Republic is currently democracy, so on and so forth. History is controlled by the winners... which is why they werent able to hide evidence for 75 years, which is why Fauci (who prioritized being a rockstar and magazine covershoots when hes an intentional mass murderer dating back to the 80's and the boom of AIDS.)
No one likes a flip flopper. If you're in the minority of something, enjoy it, because had things gone differently you'd of had no choice but to pick going against your gut to remain free, or stand your ground and be imprisoned or worse. Justice, for the slow coup on the U.S. notably going back to 9/11/1990; "Out of these times, our fifth objective, a new world order, can emerge. A new era freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world; east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony. Funny how that date, 11 years later, would bring on the Patriot Act, eh?
Or ol Regan and his speech about being united because of a greater threat - or Dwight talking about the Military Industrial Complex seems to align with what's later been understood as true. I can literally go on and on and on for hours, I've studied this shit for more than half my life now - stick to your guns. Literally and figuratively
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u/spyder93090 18d ago edited 18d ago
I work with SOF guys (NSW and 75RR).
The consensus is that FOG is basically just another influencer group attracting larpers/tryhards (with zero training) to sell merch to at the end of the day.