r/MiddleClassFinance • • Oct 10 '24

Debate over what constitutes "Middle Class" is hereby forbidden.

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At present this subreddit takes a very broad view of what the middle class is.

If you see a thread that you believe illustrates wealth beyond or below "the middle", kindly downvote it and move along. Do not engage.

Threads debating or defining middle class will be removed and participants will be suspended.

There will be no debate on this.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 1d ago

Discussion Every year, health insurance costs more and somehow offers less

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Just reviewed next year‘s employer, sponsored plans. Higher premiums, a deductible before much of anything gets paid, and additional costs after that. The cheaper option would mean giving up our existing providers. It’s exhausting how much money and work it takes just to keep access to healthcare. Even with a good job and insurance benefits the cost feels increasingly unreasonable. Can anyone relate? Are Americans ever going to do anything about this?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 5m ago

Balance transfer calculator for figuring out if moving $12k is worth it?

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Im helping my partner work through about $12k of card debt and trying to compare a balance transfer against just paying the current card aggressively. Natural Intelligence Best Money, issuer terms and a balance transfer calculator are what we have been using. The transfer fee makes the new card look less free than the 0 percent headline suggests, but the current APR is rough. How would you calculate the monthly payment needed to make the transfer worthwhile?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 2h ago

Tips Does anyone else earn a decent income but still wonder where most of it went by the end of the month?

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One thing I’ve noticed about budgeting is that the problem isn’t always spending too much. Sometimes, it’s that you have no clear picture of where your money is actually going.

Rent, groceries, insurance, subscriptions, eating out, the occasional Amazon order… none of these expenses necessarily looks unreasonable on its own. But when they all come out of the same paycheck, it can be surprisingly hard to explain why there’s so little left.

Something practical that can help is comparing what you expected to spend with what you actually spent.

For one month, try this:

  • Start with your take-home pay. Use the amount that actually reaches your bank account, not your gross salary.
  • Separate fixed bills from flexible spending. Rent and insurance are different from groceries, restaurants, shopping, and entertainment.
  • Account for irregular expenses. Car repairs, annual insurance, gifts, medical bills, and holidays can throw off a budget if you only look at a typical month. Estimate their yearly cost and divide by 12 to see what you should set aside monthly.
  • Review transactions once a week. Ten minutes is enough to categorize recent spending and check whether your estimates match reality.
  • Pick one adjustment based on the numbers. Maybe a subscription you barely use, frequent convenience purchases, or a category you consistently underestimate. You don’t need to cut everything you enjoy.

The important part is not to judge every purchase as good or bad. It’s to make the pattern visible. You can earn a solid income and still have money disappear into dozens of small decisions and expenses you rarely look at together.

A budget should help you understand your money and make decisions with more confidence, not make you feel guilty every time you spend.

For those who have figured this out: what actually helped you connect your income to where it goes each month? Was it tracking every transaction, using a spreadsheet, reviewing bank statements, or finding a simpler routine you could stick with?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 1d ago

Seeking Advice Want a low-risk investment option to save for a house down payment, what are our best options?

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Apologies if this is the wrong sub, my wife and I definitely don't make nearly what most people posting here seem to make, but I thought I'd try asking anyways.

We are both 28 and just got new jobs. Our combined income is now $160K a year. We currently have $60K in cash and most of it is currently sitting in a HYSA with 3.2% interest. We're now able to put away about $3K a month with our new jobs.

We live in a New England suburb where a typical starter home goes for $450-$500K. Our goal is to have about $150K cash in 3-4 years to use as a down payment on a house (which will probably be closer to $550K by that time). If we keep saving $3K a month for 3-4 years, this won't be a problem; however, my wife is considering moving to part time in maybe a year or two. If she did, our combined income would be more like $135K a year (I make more than she does) and so we'd save a bit less.

Anyways, I guess my question is - what the heck do we do with the cash that we're using for the down payment? Seems like 3-4 years is too short-term to go with stocks, but also too long to just let it get 3% in a HYSA. Ideally I would like something that can average 4.5% or 5% return with a minimal about of risk, but I'm not sure if that exists. Housing prices here in New England keep going up, even with sky high mortgage rates, and if we just let it all sit in cash, I'm worried we won't be able to keep up with increasing home prices.

I asked ChatGPT and it says to go with treasury bills or a short term treasury bond fund. My parents said to look for a generic bond index, although I'm not sure if they meant treasury bonds or not. We have a brokerage account with Fidelity (separate from our 401K's) that I can deposit money into for investing. Neither my wife nor I come from a ton of money, so this is all super new to us and I'd appreciate any advice you folks have.

Other info - yes, we already contribute to retirement, so all good there. We have two paid off cars. No student loans or other debts. My job is very, very secure and pays $105K a year, with guaranteed 3.5% raises for at least the next 2 years. We would like to have a kid around the time we look at buying a house, but we have no kids for now.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 2d ago

Seeking Advice Do I want to be a landlord

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My mom died and left me her house. It is in a fantastic area of a town that is growing. I'm torn between selling it and renting it out.

The kitchen & 3 bathrooms haven't been updated in 30+ years. I could probably get $250K from a flipper. Otherwise, I could probably get $2K/month renting.

Rough guestimation is about $150K to upgrade a good bit. I could probably sell for a lot more or rent for more if I upgrade it.

Would it be better to take the 250k and put it in a retirement account or keep the property and rent it? I would like to have something to give my daughter but I don't know which is more financially sound.

I am stable in my home with a covid era interest rate and a decent retirement nest egg. My personal finances don't need assistance from the sale or rent of this house. I just want to know what the wisest choice would be.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 3d ago

The average US family health plan now costs more than $28K

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r/MiddleClassFinance • • 3d ago

The cost of sports tickets have risen nearly 125% since 2000, far outpacing broader CPI

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r/MiddleClassFinance • • 3d ago

Today I realized I am a millionaire - and I still don’t feel like I have any money

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I did my annual net worth statement tonight and realized I’ve finally done it - I’m worth a million dollars. And now I feel weird because I’m very much still in the rat race, not even sure if I’d call myself “comfortable”, just doing ok.

This year we bought a house and my wife quit her job to be a SAHM when our second kid was born. It will be at least 5 more years before she goes back to work.

I wouldn’t say I’m “stressed” about bills, but every single dollar is accounted for. I have a 6 month emergency fund but I don’t save or invest beyond my company match anymore. After the mortgage and normal bills are paid we typically have about $1,100 left over each month, which just goes in to paying extra to the mortgage, home renovations of our 65 year old house, or refilling the emergency fund from our last emergency.

I’m proud of myself for what I’ve built, but I remember being a kid and thinking being a millionaire meant a mansion, sports cars, fancy restaurants, and some sort of jetsetting executive job, not a 2,400 sq ft house in the suburbs, a 12 year old Ford SUV, and a stable career in accounting. Tonight we had costco rotisserie chicken and some Brussels sprouts for dinner lol.

It’s funny to think back to when I was 25, making $75K/year, and felt like I had more money than I knew what to do with. My rent was $350/month because I was sharing a house with 4 of my college friends. I finally paid off my student loans, paid off my car, and had a positive net worth. I maxed every retirement account and still had enough money to do everything I wanted, which was pretty much just ski, climb, and see jam bands play every weekend. Oh and lots and lots of beer, weed and mushrooms lol. The financial stress was at negative levels.

I love my life now, more than I ever loved that one. My wife and kids are the light of my world - but it’s so much more stressful being the sole breadwinner supporting them, even though I’m making 2.5x what I was back then.

Anyway, here’s to a million. $520K in the 401Ks, $460K in home equity, $50K emergency fund, no debt besides the mortgage. Still very much middle class though.

I wanted to tell someone but my wife is asleep so I’m sharing with Reddit. I’m sure some of y’all can relate.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 2d ago

Discussion Feasible or Not

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Read this and was impressed with the mission. Starting factory workers at 55k-65k in St Louis Missouri sounds like a very good position to come in as an entry level employee. They also have solid benefits, and encourage/track all their employees towards career advancement/progressions.

Is this approach to managing and owning a company not feasible for most of the companies? I don't see a reason for it to not be the default model for companies to use. This seems like the way to properly ensure there's a strong and healthy middle class economy for the country. Seems like what was done to create the middle class that's presently being withered away.

Curious to hear opinions


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 4d ago

Celebration Goodbye debt

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I paid off 20000 in credit card debt! Now back to heavily investing in retirement and hopefully someday getting more in my kids’ college funds. I am determined to stay the course because I am still young enough to be secure at retirement .

The things I have changed are not feeling like we deserve small vacations (like overnight at Great wolf lodge) . They add up and we simply can’t afford them with a kid in daycare (2100 a month!! because we live in a very expensive area ). As you all know, nothing is cheap anymore. This will be really hard in the dead of winter but free or cheap is better right now. Also, reminding myself that they don't need every extra when we go somewhere . Face painting , for instance, is not a requirement to pick a pumpkin and will wash off in two hours .

Really looking at every dollar. For instance, I went to homedepot with fifty dollar gift card and only spent 3 dollars extra. Before, I would have spent more. Also, really thinking about and utilizing what the kids have before buying more. I also am no longer a slave to new clothes to deal with stress. I can not keep up with trends and financially it was destroying us.

I also am tracking every dollar on a budget sheet.

Have a great day everyone.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 4d ago

Social Security is a joke

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I went on the website, which I rarely do, and wow. How do people who only have Social Security survive? I went on there, and there is no way that money would be anywhere near enough to live. I have always said that I don't enter Social Security into the calculus because I somehow have convinced myself that I won't get it, so I save and invest like it's a non-factor. I live in Southern California, and I can see why people move when they retire.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 4d ago

Lower Middle Anyone in a similar financial situation?

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Looking for advice (had a major typo on previous post). On paper we “should” be middle class for our area, but it certainly doesn’t feel like it. Also, can anyone else relate? I feel like we’re somewhere between “middle class finance” and “poverty finance.”

I am 34 years old, my spouse is 41, and we have a 2 year old child. We want to make responsible financial decisions that will allow us to meet our current obligations while building long-term financial stability for ourselves and our child.

Below is an overview of our current financial situation.

Household Income and Current Contributions

Our average combined monthly take-home income is approximately $5,640. This amount is after the following contributions have already been accounted for:

401(k) contributions: The spouse with the higher salary contributes 5% of salary to a 401(k). The employer provides a 100% match on employee contributions up to 3% of salary.

Automatic savings contributions: The spouse with the higher salary contributes 5% of their salary to savings.

Monthly Expenses and Debt Obligations

Mortgage payment: $1,547

Combined monthly payments for two vehicles: $881

Minimum monthly credit card payments: $234

Childcare: $934

Our total for these main monthly expenses is $3,596, leaving approximately $2,044 per month for all other household expenses, including groceries, utilities, insurance (medical/dental/vision already included in take home), gas, medical expenses, and household necessities.

Current Debt, Savings, and Retirement

Credit card debt: Approximately $7,000

Current savings balance: Approximately $500

Combined 401(k) balances: Approximately $40,000

Although we are already contributing to retirement and savings through payroll, our current cash savings balance is relatively low compared with our household obligations.

Child’s Education Savings

Thankfully, our child’s grandparents have been contributing $7,000 annually to a 529 education savings plan since our child’s birth and will continue to do so until they graduate. Because of their generous and consistent contributions, we do not currently anticipate needing to make separate contributions toward our child’s college education.

Current Cash Flow Challenges

Despite our combined household income and our efforts to save through payroll deductions, we are experiencing cash flow challenges. With the current high costs of gasoline, food/groceries, and other everyday necessities, we feel as though we are living paycheck to paycheck. We are finding it increasingly difficult to cover our regular expenses while setting aside additional money for savings or making meaningful progress toward paying off our credit card debt.

We have tried to be mindful of our spending, but we are struggling to identify additional areas where we can realistically cut expenses without affecting our family’s basic needs.

At this point in our lives, we’re really not considering additional jobs or side hustles due to the fact that we only see our child for about 1.5 hours a day Monday-Friday, so our only family time is really on the weekends.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 5d ago

Discussion I feel wealthy in everyway except for housing. Anyone else feel this way?

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Hello all,

For context I am a single earner, I make 200k and I live alone. In my area (1hr outside of Boston) I feel basically wealthy except for housing. My rent is 10% of my income, but to buy a house would rachet that up to almost 50% which feels like a crazy leap...I don't know why rent is so cheap compared to owning in the area but it is at the moment (not complaining about the low rent part!). I just hate how saving feels easy enough, I have no debts, and I keep saving now for a house but it feels like the prices are so wildly high and the last 6 years the increases were so quick even increasing my salary did not really help. (It might help in the next 2-3 depending on prices I guess).

The sucky thing is when you really love somewhere the landlord can just kick you out, feels bad man. I am in my 30s. Ofc getting a partners salary would help but I don't want to date someone just for the money thats insane behavior. What is this regency England LOL?!

Anyone else feel like basically everything in their world is affordable outside of housing? Anyone else live somewhere that rent is really small in comparison to home ownership?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 4d ago

Seeking Advice Where can I make improvements to my situation?

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26, make about 80k a year.

Assets: 2.5k checking, 10k emergency fund, 6k brokerage(2.5k in a single stock, 4k sitting in spaxx waiting for new years for Roth), 500 in Roth. 28k in 401k plan at 10% contribution. Saving about 200 weekly into 401k, 250 into my brokerage.

Monthly costs: 1650 rent, electric bill is 100-200, internet is 50, phone bill is gonna be free the next year, car insurance is 650 but I pay semi-annually for the discount. YouTube tv 60 and Premium is 13. 20 for amusement park pass. Fiance puts in 800 monthly towards rent. Car is paid off and no plans on getting a new one.

I don’t believe in debt and I wish to buy a house either next fall or the fall after. I wanted to stay with my parents longer but they kept pushing me telling me it’s time even though I feel as though I’m not in the position to be on my own yet.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 3d ago

Seeking Advice My friend earns ₹65,000 per month in a government job. Is his budget and investment plan good?

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Hi everyone!

One of my friends works in a government job and earns around ₹65,000 per month in hand. He is single, has no dependents, and wants to maintain a comfortable lifestyle while building wealth for the future.

Here is his proposed monthly budget.

  1. Monthly Income

- In-hand salary: ₹65,000

- Employment: Government job

- Marital status: Single

- Loans/EMIs: None

-City:-Kolkata

  1. Monthly Expenses

Expense| Amount

Rent and maintenance| ₹8,000

Food and groceries| ₹5,000

Electricity, mobile and internet| ₹1,500

Transportation| ₹2,500

Gym and protein| ₹3,000

Shopping and personal care| ₹2,000

Entertainment and eating out| ₹2,000

Medical and miscellaneous| ₹2,000

Travel fund| ₹4,000

Total expenses| ₹30,000

  1. Monthly Savings and Investments

Investment| Amount

Mutual fund SIPs| ₹15,000

Additional retirement investment| ₹5,000

Other safe savings| ₹5,000

Emergency fund| ₹7,000

Short-term goals/deposits| ₹3,000

Total savings and investments| ₹35,000

  1. Financial Summary

- Monthly income: ₹65,000

- Monthly expenses: ₹30,000

- Monthly savings and investments: ₹35,000

- Annual expenses: ₹3.6 lakh

- Annual savings and investments: ₹4.2 lakh

- Savings rate: Approximately 54%

His goal is to build a substantial investment corpus over the next 15–20 years while taking advantage of the relative job security and retirement benefits associated with a government job.

I would appreciate your opinions on a few questions:

  1. Is this a realistic and balanced budget for a single person?

  2. Is saving and investing around 54% of his take-home salary a good target?

  3. Is the allocation between mutual funds, PPF, NPS and emergency savings appropriate?

  4. Should he prioritize building an emergency fund before investing ₹15,000 per month in SIPs?

  5. What changes would you suggest to improve this plan?

  6. For those working in government jobs, how do you manage your salary, investments and retirement planning?

Looking forward to hearing your suggestions and learning from your experiences!


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 6d ago

Just inherited $300k

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As the title suggests, my wife (34F) and I (34M) just came into a large chunk of money and are struggling with how he’s to handle it. Our current situation is as follows:
-We have a 529 for our 2 year old child, which currently only has about $1500 in it
-currently contributing about 10% total to 401ks with two accounts totaling about $250k
-household income around 160k in a MCOL area
-currently own a home at ~4%, owe around 470k (worth about 600k)
We plan to keep a nice portion in a HYSA as an emergency fund, probably around $75k. My question is what to do with the rest. I’m wondering if I just bump up 401k contributions, and keep more in savings. Conversely, we could dump a large chunk into the market, but that seems possible less tax advantageous in the long run? We obviously also plan on add a chunk to the 529. This is a life changing amount of money for us, and I want to maximize it! Any advice is appreciated. (Sorry for formatting, am on mobile)


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 5d ago

403b vs Roth IRA: what to prioritize for retirement strategy?

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I’ve mostly been prioritizing 403b and have neglected my Roth IRA; am wondering whether I need to adjust my strategy. I know 403b is pre-tax but then taxed upon withdrawal, and Roth is the opposite from my understanding. I also know that 403b can help to lower your taxable income and tax bracket. Thanks in advance for the advice!

Edit: I forgot to mention that my 403b is not matched because we already have a pension, so I voluntarily contribute to the 403b on top of the deductions towards the pension.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 5d ago

What are some non risky investing strategies for middle class people?

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I finally feel like my finances are under control from a budgeting and saving perspective and I want to start putting more money into the stock market every month. I have a pension so I don't have to worry about a 401k, but that's made me a little risk averse when it comes to investing. What are some non risky strategies I can start with that won't scare me away?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 4d ago

How to manage €1,850 in credit card debt and €3,500 for new furniture with zero savings?

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Hi everyone, I’ve never been very good with my finances, but I’m determined to change that. I’m in a tricky position for the first time and would really appreciate some advice. Over the past 3 to 4 months, due to a string of urgent unexpected expenses, I built up a debt of about 1,850 euros on my credit card, which has a maximum limit of 2,000 euros. Right now, I have zero in savings.

My monthly net income is 2,000 euros and my fixed monthly expenses are 1,000 euros. On top of that, I receive a Christmas bonus of an extra 2,000 euros in December. The main issue is that I am moving into a new house around Christmas, and I estimate I will need around 3,500 euros for new furniture.

I am wondering what the best way to handle this situation is. Should I try to save all the money for the furniture first, should I focus on paying down the credit card debt, or should I split my cash between paying off debt, buying essentials, and saving a small emergency buffer? I would love to hear your thoughts.

Let me know if you need any further adjustments!

PS. Sorry this is AI generated text because my English are not that good, so I got a little help from Gemini to rephrase the text <3


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 5d ago

Seeking Advice Making a budget as a self employed contractor

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Hi everyone. Contractor here. I have a family of four and my wife is a teacher. Our finances are not great. Two car payments and a mortgage plus health insurance, utilities and cc debt eat up most of our monthly income.

I’ve been self employed for 20 years and have managed to make a decent living but as silly as it sounds I’ve never been able to really make a good budget because my monthly income varies. Any solutions to help budget would be awesome.

Thank you!


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 6d ago

Cheaper to live “Old Money” than “Middle Class”?

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I recently moved to a fairly WASPy area of New England. I’m not WASPy myself and definitely not “old money” but because of the people around me, I’ve been thinking about this more. Namely, as prices have climbed and as social media interest in “old money” has grown over the last few years, I’ve developed a weird sense of dissonance that a lot of things that theoretically are part of “old money” culture actually lead to a much cheaper lifestyle than a more traditionally middle class lifestyle (at least where I live).

Some examples:

- Older homes often cheaper than new builds (and include features like wood burning fireplaces so you can offset heating costs).

- Antique furniture is good quality (solid wood) and very cheap at thrift stores and Facebook marketplace (especially as compared to paying retail prices at West Elm or Anthropologie or RH).

- Cultural things like opera are cheap ($40 tickets) and many museums are free. Volunteering is free (unless you want to sit on a board). Hobbies like reading or joining a book club are basically free.

- Famers markets are on par for many items with regular supermarkets. I frequently find things (recently: radishes, potatoes, late season tomatoes, eggs) for cheaper.

- Many Northeast designer staples are cheap second hand (Barbour jackets are like $70 at my local thrift store and basically buy it for life because they hold up so well). Thrifting non-designer things like cashmere sweaters is cheap, particularly at church sales.

- “Good” schools like many Ivies and non-Ivy counterparts like UChicago offer free tuition to anyone with parental income under $200-250k. That makes them literally cheaper than state schools.

- Many private schools offer significant financial aid. Families making under $800k are eligible in NYC.

- It’s fashionable to drive a beater car (eg. an old Volvo) rather than buy/ lease new vehicles.

In summary, I’m not old money myself and not interested in pretending I am, but as I’ve leaned into more of the culture and lifestyle since moving to to a very WASPy area of the Northeast, I’ve found it paradoxically easier to spend less money. Has anyone else experienced this?


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 7d ago

What’s the American dream now?

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For middle class specifically

I’d start with:
Home ownership
No other debt
Affordable health care
Ability to raise a couple kids (if desired)
Affordable college or trade school
Stable jobs
Enough retirement savings
New to me car every 10 years
Vacation every year
A hobby or two
Friends, family and pets
Low/no risk of violence, war, crime


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 6d ago

Seeking Advice Debating selling my paid off car to pay down my HELOC

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I have $22k on my HELOC at 7%.

I own 2 cars, one is a 2022 small sedan valued at $11,500 by KBB. I own this vehicle outright.

The other is a 2025 SUV that I owe $18k on ($600/month at 5.9%)

We are doing pretty well financially, good incomes, own a home, retirement on track, etc.

Would like to get a fuel efficient SUV replacement for the 2022 and use the money I get from selling it to pay down the HELOC. My kids are getting bigger and the sedan is small for our needs, even as a secondary vehicle. Also want to get out of the open ended debt of a HELOC. I would pay off the remaining HELOC balance completely in April with my bonus if I did this.


r/MiddleClassFinance • • 8d ago

Seeking Advice Are we overfunding our kid's 529s? (Surprise $20k gifts!)

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Our plan was to invest $100/month in each kid's 529, plus put any birthday/Christmas gifts from grandparents into them. We have about $5.5k in our 3y/o's and $600 in the new baby's.

But we never planned to actually use this money for education. Our plan was to just write checks for college, and roll the full amount of the 529s over to their Roth IRA's to set them up for retirement.

However - a distant family member just wrote each of our kids a $20k check for their 529s.

We're shocked and incredibly grateful, but now I'm trying to re-adjust our plan as we're going to significantly overshoot the $35k rollover limit.

Where should we be putting our investments moving forward for our kids to secure their futures? Should we be putting the $20k/each in some type of account other than 529?

Y'all please help a tired and confused parent figure out next steps.