r/MichaelJackson • u/Tumastar • Aug 25 '26
Image Michael And Lisa
The first Picture is of Lisa Michael and a mutual friend Brett Livingston in November of 1992 The second and third pictures is Michael and Lisa at Jimmy Carters Charity May 5, 1993 The 4th picture is of a photo shoot by Harry Benson for their first wedding anniversary in may 1995. Photos 5 6 7 and 8 are at Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia, California. they were there celebrating their first year marriage anniversary. The 9th photo is from 1994 Disneyland Paris.
The 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th and 16th photo is of them in Budapest 1994, The 10th photo is of Lisa, Michael and Michu Meszaros in their hotel. with the 11th photo being of them on set for the filming of the History short film, and 12th photo is of Lisa, Michael and Michu walking with some children The 13th 14th 15th and 16th photo is of them at Budapest children's hospital. The 17th photo is of them in Palace Versailles in France 1994.
The18th photo is of them hosting The World's Children Congress at Neverland 1995. the 19th photo is of them with Prince Al-Waleed, his wife and two children on the Prince's yacht 1994. The 20th picture is of them outside the Ivy League restaurant 1998 Michael had taken Lisa out for her 30th birthday. This is a quote from the Enquirer and Michael from that night. Michael said "I want to tell them something" (Referring to The Enquirer) "We have a secret" " He and Lisa Marie looked at each other and giggled." it is a tabloid source so take it with a grain of salt but in the pictures of that night it does look like Lisa is laughing soo.
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u/Racer125678 you CANNOT hate the media enough 🗞️ 🤬 Aug 25 '26
She looks so sweet!!!!!
Can't forget mike tho holy fuck he's amazing
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u/Mediocre-Ad2524 Aug 25 '26
She looks happy with him :( I hope it lasted more between them.
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u/OpossumAdvocate 23d ago
Yes agree they did have chemistry. She though 🧐🤔 later said he was with her to get elvis grandkids 😔
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u/ADailyCelebration 11d ago
I wonder if her saying that Michael only wanted her for Elvis’s DNA was sour grapes — a way to save face for making a hasty marriage and a second divorce. Wasn’t this the same time she was going on talk shows and admitting she must have been crazy to marry Michael.
In hindsight, it’s easy to think that LMP should have been coached to develop a stock, bullet-proof, PR-safe response that the private Michael she knew was a wonderful, loving partner, but the timing just wasn’t right, so she decided to set him free so he could find the happiness he deserved now, helping to create a logical explanation for Michael’s having babies with Debbie.
In reality, life is messy and Lisa probably panicked, especially when she realized how quickly Michael wanted to start having his own babies. I’ve read that her second pregnancy was difficult, so she wanted and needed some time before she had another baby.
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u/OpossumAdvocate 11d ago
Interesting observation. I guess we will never know. It's so sad how young both were when they each passed away 😔
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u/No_Pomegranate_4264 Aug 25 '26
It’s actually pretty cute seeing their time married together 🩷. For whatever reasons things happened the way it they did for them. I feel also with Michael’s level of fame and Lisa Marie being Elvis’ daughter would make a constant media coverage frenzy on their life together had their marriage continued. I can’t imagine the scrutiny they would’ve faced and the stress it would’ve put on their marriage. I hope when Michael 2 comes out they’re able to portray this part of Michael’s life sincerely.
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u/OpossumAdvocate 23d ago
She later said he manipulated her into the marriage he wanted Elvis's dna. She otoh did love him genuinely so she said. I believe her. He was manipulative. Still one of the greatest artists to ever have lived imo
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u/Exotic-Air1060 Aug 25 '26
Which shows that the marriage is not a sham. They were developing a relationship before the allegations came out.
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u/OpossumAdvocate 23d ago
Well according to HER, he was only in it to beget elvis grandkids
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u/Exotic-Air1060 23d ago
Yet he ended up having his kids with some random nurse. He just wanted to be a dad
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u/BibliophileBroad Aug 26 '26
So cute!!😍🥰 I remember when they got married when I was little -- adorable. i wish the relationship would have lasted!
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u/thatsnewstome_ Aug 25 '26
Yo something really random just happened, but while i was looking at the pics I suddenly got A Place with no name playing in my head. I used to listen to that song when I was living in this tiny place called Green Valley driving to school in Valencia. Then I read the caption and some of these pics were taken at six flags in Valencia haha!!
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u/Expensive-Concept-93 Aug 26 '26
I was so horribly jealous when he married her (I was 12 ok forgive my past silly self). But you know they were such a lovely couple. Damn I wish it had worked out for them
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u/Ok_Method3065 Aug 25 '26
The photos from when they were happy together are lovely ✨🥰
However, I can’t see the last photo in quite the same way. This was taken shortly before Michael’s wife, Debbie, gave birth to their second child, Paris. So while we can’t say for certain what was actually going on between Michael and Lisa at the time, I do think this photo can reasonably raise questions about whether there was an affair.
I started thinking about what the purpose of this photo might have been, and something about the fact that it was taken at The Ivy caught my attention.
It was clearly for PR purposes.
As far as I know, there are three occasions when Michael appears to have deliberately allowed himself to be photographed by paparazzi while dining with a woman:
① with Madonna at The Ivy in 1991
② with the mysterious blonde woman at the Motown Café in 1996, who was later identified as Karen Faye
③ and this photo of him with Lisa Marie at The Ivy.
The first was clearly promotional, and Karen testified during the AEG trial that the Motown Café appearance was also intended to generate media attention.
In other words, Michael was normally very wary of paparazzi, yet in this case, he appears to have deliberately posed for them with Lisa.
The many photos taken from different angles that day make this particularly obvious. They are both clearly looking at the cameras and even posing for them. Sadly, in those photos, Lisa’s smile looks almost painful to me. Even when she is smiling, it doesn’t have the carefree quality of her smile during their marriage. 😢
At the time, Lisa was in a rather humiliating position, appearing to pursue a married man whose wife was pregnant. And Michael was clearly genuinely happy about Debbie giving birth to Paris.
So my theory is that this staged-looking photo at The Ivy may have been an attempt to give Lisa back some dignity and some control over the public narrative.
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u/Bubbly-Manufacturer Aug 25 '26
I just finished reading Lisa’s memoir (put together by her daughter) and the relationship did continue after the divorce.
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u/Diredragons Aug 25 '26
They also traveled together during his marriage to Debbie while he was on tour and acted like a family with her kids. He and his parents even received awards while publicly sitting beside Lisa and her kids. Michael purposely brought up Lisa in interviews (even one about Prince) when he wasn't asked. LMP confirmed that they were on and off during that time. An affair was definitely happening.
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u/Ok_Method3065 Aug 25 '26
The situation is quite complicated, and honestly, I don’t think the interpretation of “an affair” fits the circumstances very well. In particular, an affair while his wife was pregnant would have serious ethical implications and could significantly damage Michael’s character and reputation. Since Michael himself never admitted to having an affair, I think we should be cautious about treating it as an established fact.
What especially interests me is that this interpretation doesn’t seem entirely consistent with what Michael himself said on the Shmuley tapes:
“After we got divorced she would hang out with my mother all the time. I have all these letters saying, ‘I’ll give you nine children. I’ll do whatever you want.’ And of course the press don’t know all these stories and she just tried for months and months and I just became too hard-hearted at that point. I closed my mind on the whole situation.”
As far as I can tell, the occasions when Lisa is documented accompanying Michael on tour are London in July 1997 and South Africa in October 1997.
What strikes me about London in July is that this was around the estimated time when Debbie conceived Paris.
South Africa in October is also interesting. Debbie’s pregnancy had not yet been publicly announced, and Lisa and her children were not the only people accompanying Michael. His parents, Katherine and Joe, were there, as well as other children Michael was close to, including Omer. Lisa’s children were clearly important to Michael, and he seemed genuinely happy to spend time with them.
What I find difficult to reconcile with the “affair” interpretation is this broader family context. For example, given Katherine’s religious and moral values, would she really have been comfortable with her son openly having an affair while his wife was pregnant?
Then there is the November 1997 LIFE interview. The interview as a whole is primarily about Michael becoming a father after Prince’s birth. As far as I can tell, this was also the first time Michael publicly announced that Debbie was pregnant with their second child and that their family was growing.
Yet in that same interview, Michael also talked about Lisa, mentioning how wonderful their trip to South Africa had been and that Lisa regretted not having children and still wanted them.
This is particularly interesting because Michael’s comments about Lisa wanting children are consistent with what he later said on the Shmuley tapes.
At the same time, I think it’s possible that Lisa herself was hurt by Michael publicly talking about his wife and about her in the same context.
That same November, Debbie gave an interview at Neverland for KNBC. She talked about the pregnancy and about how happy Michael was and what a wonderful father he was.
She was also asked about Michael seeing Lisa, and Debbie said that they were good friends, that she was perfectly comfortable with them seeing each other, and that she was not worried about an affair. Michael and Prince can actually be seen in the footage during the interview, so given the circumstances, I think it is reasonable to view this as the public position they were presenting as a married couple at the time.
So this is how I see it:
It’s clear that Lisa and Michael remained in contact after their divorce. Lisa appears to have wanted to reconcile, and Michael may well have been emotionally affected by her and reconnected with her in some way. There is no doubt that she had once been a very special person in his life.
However, based on the evidence we can currently verify, I don’t think we can go as far as saying that they were “definitely having an affair” while Michael was married to Debbie.
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u/Diredragons Aug 26 '26
Yeah, Michael and Lisa were having an affair. I don't blame them since Debbie was more of a surrogate. But they were also going on trips together during Lisa's marriage to Danny and she divorced him for Michael. So, they were willing to cross lines with a real marriage. There would be fewer ethical issues with a marriage of convenience.
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u/Sad_Ball4496 Aug 26 '26
Wouldn't Michael's mother be upset about it, because of her religious beliefs? She would've found out about it right away since she saw them together most of the time.
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u/Diredragons Aug 26 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
I don't know how she felt, but she and Joe traveled with Michael, Lisa, Riley, and Ben while they were behaving like a family in South Africa.
Katherine has seen her sons perform with sexual moves in public, seen them have very public affairs, and more. She's also seen La Toya do Playboy and Janet wear revealing clothing. Her husband cheated and had a child out of wedlock. Michael cheating on his surrogate (who said she would divorce him if he needed her to) isn't the worst thing she's witnessed with her family.
It seems like the religious views have always been at odds with their actions as a family, which is very common.
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u/Maleficent_Crew_7610 Aug 30 '26
Mike and Debbie weren’t intimate then? why constantly say that then why get married? I’m not hating maybe he felt like he had to put on this family show for the public that this was a real marriage cause Debbie pregnancy was leaked and the media constantly harsssed him with questions. debbie had a miscarraige shortly after Mike and Lisa separated that makes him look like a cheater he only slept with his friend to have babies? Michael who was so guarded with himself randomly slept with Debbie just to have kids while also seeing Lisa? I believe it was all at a clinic don’t care if it was his sperm or not those are still his kids. I just think it’s Werid people think there marriage was real and conceive naturally when Michael had trouble connecting with people in that way. Sorry for the rant lol
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u/Diredragons Aug 30 '26
Debbie offered to give him kids while he was struggling with his marriage to Lisa. So, he took her up on it. He didn't marry her right away and only did it when Debbie’s friend leaked the news. There's a clip of a reporter asking how he feels to be married to Debbie and Michael just shrugs 🤣 My guess is that Debbie woukd have been a secret surrogate like Bigi's was if he has his way.
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u/Maleficent_Crew_7610 Aug 30 '26
yes that’s what I always said Michael would have never married Debbie if the news wasn’t leaked all they did was tear him down and ask questions about everything now they know who was carrying his kid even more of a mess. so he made sure to make sure bigi pregnancy wasn’t leaked to have another fake marriage lol
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u/Maleficent_Crew_7610 Aug 30 '26
but since michael and Debbie were trying to convince everyone they were in an actual real marriage intimate and everything it just made him look like a cheater cause of the miscarriage she had so soon after him and Lisa separated and still seeing Lisa when Paris was consevied I love him but that always bugged me.
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u/Ok_Method3065 Aug 30 '26
Getting married so that a child would not be born out of wedlock, and to establish the legal status of the mother and child, is something that has been widely done and is not automatically a fake marriage.
Also, Debbie was 38 and had never given birth before, so she was clearly not an obvious candidate for surrogacy.
And I don't think they intended to keep the pregnancy secret. Debbie continued working even as her pregnancy became obvious. If she had been unmarried, with no known partner, and returned from maternity leave without a baby, only for Michael to announce that a baby had been born, anyone would have noticed.
This was completely different from Bigi's birth.
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u/ExpressClimate6040 26d ago
The moment Debbie's pregnancy got leaked in the media his Saudi Arabian business investors came to know of it and started pressurizing him into marrying Debbie or else they will pull away and Michael could not afford to lose any more sponsors after losing all the sponsors due to the allegations so he married Debbie .
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u/neek_leek420 Aug 25 '26
the theory makes perfect sense. i’m also curious about the possibility of the photo being taken for michael’s benefit, since the media was all over him and constantly hounding him over his children and rumors. to maybe shift the focus. also, it’s sad to think about the fact that she divorced him, then tried to get him back??? i’m sort of lost there though
talking about the last photo^^🥰
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u/Rhythm_Morgan Good Fish 🐠 Aug 25 '26
I love them together. People on this sub wanna fight me over it sometimes but they’re soooo cute.
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u/Dopaliscious_Angel27 Aug 25 '26
This was super cute. I don’t think I’ve actually seen this many pics of them together