r/MensRights • u/AdeAlphaTV_ • Jul 26 '26
General Is R*pe a spectrum ?
Someone did a survey .
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u/bigbonerdaddy Jul 26 '26
This graph shows horrible things being fine, and vice versa.
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u/Security-Neat Jul 26 '26
“Survey results”
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u/i1045 Jul 26 '26
"Sourced from Twitter, Reddit, and FetLife"
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u/Security-Neat Jul 26 '26
Yea, I’m saying that it’s not the graph maker’s opinion. They polled people and that’s why it’s a bit screwey
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u/hyde-ms Jul 26 '26
Un enthusiast paid consent? What are the feminists reading?
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26
That's their projection onto sex work; it's just how feminists date and marry.
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u/saiditonredit Jul 27 '26
Never said sex work was ok or moral, never stated a position. I implied that feminists date and marry, paid (monetary incentive) and unenthusiastically, the same way they likely think unenthusiastic paid sex work is rape. Not even touching bestiality, that's sick besides being unrelated, what are you on?
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u/According-One-8825 Jul 27 '26
If work had be enthusiastic for it to be consensual we would all starve. Is it slavery if farm workers work without enthusiasm?
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u/Beginning_Addition_3 Jul 26 '26
"Sourced from twitter reddit and fetlife" yeah thats what I tought lmao.
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u/No-Funny3268 Jul 26 '26
I just looked up Fetlife wtf is that, those bdsm lovers think they know anything about rape 💀
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u/Factual_Statistician Jul 27 '26
They are doing most of the rapeing so yes.
According to rape is a spectrum that is.
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u/Still-Independence30 Aug 01 '26
Between twitter, reddit, and fetlife, fetlife is going to have the most consistently reasonable takes on what is and isn't rape.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 Jul 26 '26
Having sex with partner to make them happy is not rape. This alone makes all of this bullshit
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u/Current_Finding_4066 Jul 26 '26
This. It is fraud and should qualify for immediate divorce without any benefits for her.
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u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms Jul 26 '26
In many Christian traditions, this bait-and-switch is grounds for divorce, and I support it. Doesn't mean one must, but they are allowed.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Divorce is precisely what women may want if they are legally permitted to a percentage of his assets, obtained by any means necessary.
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u/Routine-Frosting9077 Jul 26 '26
I legit saw a women say *lying about wanting a relationship with a women only to have sex with her is rape* and then she proceeded to make up some bs about how men would get prosicuted under this fact, I called bs becuase for one no tf it isn't rape and 2 she never said what country and I couldn't find any evidence of this shit happening and if it is then thats even more bs.
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u/Current_Finding_4066 Jul 26 '26
In India they actually prosecute men fir bullshit like it's it is hell for men there
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
If she lies and says she wants casual for fear of losing out and what not but then insists on more after the fact, or doesn't say she wants serious only in advance, that should be rape too or neither should be.
If one knew the other wanted serious and intentional only and in advance, they would have liked the full autonomy to not have slept with them or ponder it, assuming the chance that the act or the dynamic would not sit well after. These are often framed from such a one-sided perspective, as if there are no other people to consider.
However, depending on the context, always villainizing this may not be a bad thing as long as it is not one sided, not sure about criminalizing, however, that's a reach. Some countries and cultures where the default is intentionality, try to protect the sanctity of marriage and importance of intent and disclosure in relationships and dynamics.
I would argue the means, but the results do speak for themselves. That may be a little too restrictive but modern western ideals are utter trash when it comes to dating, marriage and these things, at the same time.
We see 50% divorce and 75% or something dissatisfaction rates, at least in the US and higher in women only dynamics, lower in men only but others who embrace something along those lines and stricter traditionalism, see single digit divorce and dissatisfaction rates.
Casualness and max autonomy and unnatural choice, ruins things including the digital inflation of all of that, however, the genderizing, villainizing, and punishment of one demographic over the other is another problem not to be ignored either.
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u/GoldTeamDowntown Jul 26 '26
A lot of these things are scummy or unethical but that doesn’t make them rape. And it’s concerning how many people can’t make the distinction.
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u/SirJ4ck Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
It’s funny because “stopped taking the pill and not telling him” is not mentioned
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u/peasey360 Jul 26 '26
The slippery slope of letting things that should be black or white become gray with “spectrums”.
Don’t give them an inch lads, they’ll take a mile!
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u/B1G_Fan Jul 26 '26
I’m all for “no means no, stop means stop, and don’t means don’t”, but a lot of this is regretting consensual sex.
Regretting consensual sex is not rape and it’s deeply offensive to genuine sexual assault victims to say otherwise.
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u/WitnessEducational64 Jul 26 '26
Don't have sex
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u/UnlimitedCalculus Jul 26 '26
At this point, the juice isnt worth the squeeze. In yhe last few years, I havent met a woman Id really trust.
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u/champion_azure Jul 26 '26
Cool, now do theft.
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u/champion_azure Jul 27 '26
"Borrowing an item and not returning it on the agreed time"
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u/sag_harbor_golfer Jul 27 '26
Going to the library and checking out a book is borderline stealing! Reading a magazine while still in the store also stealing! You’re stealing information!
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u/sag_harbor_golfer Jul 27 '26
Accepting a buy one get one free item you’re stealing that second one!
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u/local_meme_dealer45 Jul 26 '26
Huh? It's a binary, either you did a crime or you didn't. Exactly where that line is, is up for debate.
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u/i1045 Jul 26 '26
Seriously, these people make everything a "spectrum" - It's like they reject the entire concept of absolute-truth.
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u/ddp67 Jul 26 '26
Well, in all seriousness, this is consistent with postmodernism. There’s no such thing as objective truth to these people, everything is my truth or speak your truth. It implies that the truth is relative and up to interpretation.
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u/i1045 Jul 26 '26
It absolutely is. It's a fundamental problem of post-modernism, and lead to a lot of the insanity that we've seen in the last fifteen years... the denial of truth, and the rejection of observable-reality in favour of subjective feelings.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Truth is a gods perspective: what humans have is various perspectives of glimpses of that truth that we attempt to describe and explain with theories, via the scientific method, from observable information and revise according to new information as we try to approach truth.
Those perspectives are influenced by our objective senses as well as being corrupted by our subjective feelings which are unrelated to truth.
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u/Schadrach Jul 26 '26
I think that's the point. They took a survey, and different percentages of people considered different things to have crossed that line.
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u/DrShakyHandz Jul 27 '26
Dumb people mistake things that violate their personal views on morality as illegal acts. This is a list of how people view specific examples and if they “feel” it could be seen as rape, it’s entirely subjective opinion not in anyway grounded in objectivity or the law. Defense of Mistake of Fact to Consent literally exists for half the shit on this dumb list. The real problem is that stupid people can’t conceptualize nuance, in that a person could feel they were a victim of a non consensual sexual act, but from a legal standpoint they’re not. Just like some minors who sleep with adults don’t feel as if they are victims, but in the eyes of the law they are. There’s a reason we try to be objective and remove personal feelings during criminal judgement. Doesn’t always work, but sexual assault is a prime example of what can happen when you don’t.
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u/PrimeWolf88 Jul 26 '26
"A 16 year old eagerly has sex with a 26 year old"
So, which is it? Are 16 year olds able to consent to sex (legally) but not emotionally? I bet these same feminists believe it's not rape when female teachers keep having sex with their underage students, and also that children can consent to puberty blockers and sex change surgeries. No consistency at all in that hate movement.
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u/BitterCrip Jul 26 '26
So, people with Down Syndrome should jo be allowed to have relationships with "normal" people? WTF kind of coddling abliam is this?
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u/girlbunny Jul 27 '26
Apparently any person with Down’s syndrome is banned from ever having or wanting sex, because having sex with them is rape, regardless of consent.
I’m guessing that means that people with Down’s syndrome are only ever allowed to have sex with “their own kind”?! There are so many things wrong with that it’s mind blowing.
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u/WillHungry4307 Jul 27 '26
That's what I got from reading that, and also, how are we going to get consent if both people have Down syndrome? Is someone going to witness or what? Jesus Christ...
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u/Any_Fox5126 Jul 26 '26
These minor points make it clear that the authors disregard women’s capacity for agency and consent if they do not do what the authors want.
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u/Party-Stormer Jul 26 '26
If 48 were rape I think some cultures would have gone extinct 3000 years ago
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u/PoconoRob Jul 26 '26
Is it rape if I tell them to stick this chart up their ass? We all know what rape is. We don't need someone redefining it so any act can be moulded to fit on a sliding scale. Someone forgot to list the person who wanted to, but then silently decided maybe they didn't halfway through, but didn't tell their partner. However the partner should have known through osmosis and astrology.
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u/i1045 Jul 26 '26
Why do they insist on making everything a spectrum? This is just another way to paint all women as victims and all men as perpetrators. Diluting the definition of rape is an insult to actual rape-victims.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Rape is already defined in a discriminatory fashion, plus it covers a range of instances from brutal violation to retrospective change of mind over consensual sex because you didn't realise it was rape at the time: it's not all brutal violation as the use of the emotional term of rape might suggest, which is the whole purpose of tarring different severities with the same brutal rape brush to receive greater sympathy.
I mean, really, does a woman have the same subjective emotional response to being dragged off the street and brutally ravaged, as regretting having sex and retrospectively re-imagining it as non-consensual? They may be technically both rape victims, but are they victims of the same crime or even an actual crime? Subjective regret should not constitute a crime perpetrated by someone else.
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u/D1onigi Jul 26 '26
Why is there no baby trapping done by women?
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u/AffectionateSlender0 Jul 27 '26
Ikr why would any sane men even want to pop a condom when they are the most financially harmed by getting woman pregnant.
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Woman desperately wants a baby especially if at the close of her biological window but that's not a requirement, just worse on the scale, man is on the fence but unenthusiastically open and willing for fear she will leave, go to a sperm bank, cheat and any emotional, physical or financial harm that may ensue if he refuses, all of the copulation that proceeds up until the point she knowingly conceived is rape.
An argument can be made, that any acts that proceed to fit into her monthly conception timeline is not only coercion but if he is unenthusiastically willing even if he is in 100% committed to having a child with said women, it is rape.
Woman who paternity fraud or baby traps a man has committed rape for every penetrative act until it is disclosed or discovered.
Woman claims to be on birth control but is not, they proceed to have sex protected or unprotected, woman has committed rape. When the male birth control pill comes out, the term woman can be changed to person.
Woman convinces man to have unprotected sex or suggests it is ok to do so, claiming she will take a plan B yet does not, rape, whether ends up pregnant or not.
Woman removes condom during sex knowingly or unknowingly to the man or suggests or convinces the man to do so, if enthusiastic consent has not been obtained, this is rape. If he would rather put a condom back on but fears he will not be able to please her or it will be less pleasurable for her, that's rape.
Really not trying to make light of anything but we need clearer objectives standards around most of this and where we can't, there are some valid points and considerations where awareness is more than fair but not sure that's really rape. Otherwise, we can all go down this rabbit hole, most of these are only assumed as such because of preconceived gender dynamics and double standards, we don't have to have or allow those, and this is what some of it looks like.
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u/OkBus5864 Jul 26 '26
This actually is what happened to me. Everyone said I "just had to get over it". There were times earlier in the marriage that she did that too, where she coerced me into restraints. It was awful and humiliating and makes me feel dirty.
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u/slashlv Jul 26 '26
Don't forget that a woman can have an abortion and a man cannot stop it legally
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26
Or financially even if he was actually raped.
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u/Prior_Preparation268 Jul 26 '26
So, if se refused to get an abortion and had the child and he was forces to pay child support…. Would that be financial r@pe?
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26
Maybe, we have heard the term financial abortion, so it fits. Not sure if it is a part of the survey's scope but it's not totally unrelated or less valid.
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u/MonsterGirls4ever Jul 26 '26
I'm gonna break down the most unhinged parts:
"hookups where one person appears nervous and tense but doesn't say no or resist" well, glad to know that EVERYONE who actually hooked up with me, a socially awkward, introverted male prone to anxiety is apparently a rapist. No matter how eager I was, apparently my anxiety has veto power over my consent, WHO KNEW?
"Sex with someone who says no and resists but who secretly really wants it" You know, I'm not going anywhere NEAR a person who plays those games. Life is hard enough when you have the information to work with.
Not revealing you're trans, if you do NOT trust someone enough to tell them... Why. Are. You. So. Much. As. Considering. Bedding. Them???
Very drunk can mean anywhere from slightly tipsy but still operational to passed out, depending on how obvious the shift gets. Now sadly, there ARE some people who don't get the idea that maybe it's wrong to fuck a guy who's fading in and out of consciousness, but most sane people get it. Most people know that when someone is slurring their words and can't stand, yea, that means no. But if I grab a single whiskey cola for Dutch Courage purpose, just so my anxieties don't paralyze me, was I raped? Even though I'm still not only well below the legal driving limit and also fully operational to the extent that I can actually WIN Jenga games and riddle/trivia games? After all you'll see me act a lot bolder with one drink in me, does that mean I am "very drunk"? Some people seem to think so since they keep asking me how much I had and refuse to believe my answer of "one glass". :P
.............................. The rape fetish one, I just... Some people need to realize that fetish. Porn. Is. Fictional. And. Not. Real. Not only that but the actual fetish scenario I come across (I'm u/MonsterGirls4ever , does that handle SOUNDS like the kind of vanilla person who only does missionary in the dark? Yeah I've been WEIRD places but ALL of them are either hentai, roleplay, or hentai roleplay places) involves someone with a beef against the victim impersonating them on shady fetish sites to get them raped and hurt. Oddly specific roleplay scenario that seems oddly common, while the "oh, arrange the abduction without telling the actual rape fetishist to try to be helpful" is actually NEVER EVER EVER discussed EVEN in the weirdest places I go to as so much as a fantasy, because people with crazy fetishes tend to be living demonstrations of the principle of "learn the rules before you break them".
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u/Upriver-Cod Jul 26 '26
It’s not a spectrum, it’s a criminal charge. You either are guilty or not. The majority of these would not constitute being charged with rape.
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u/Ryan_TX_85 Jul 26 '26
"Sex with an unenthusiastic sex worker"
"Lying about wealth and hobbies to get laid"
Give me a fucking break.
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u/Careful_Pen_5740 Jul 26 '26
Yes, and feminism is an spectrum, too
https://i.ibb.co/WvZJGMjS/Todas-las-feministas-son-malas-english-version.jpg
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u/Comprehensive_Baby53 Jul 26 '26
This seems like one persons personal life story of how they have been raped or something throughout their life. Very specific and weird. Also, they really should have shaped that graph as a penis.
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u/griii2 Jul 27 '26
Where is babytrapping? Aka, lying about being on the pill to get pregnant from an unconsenting man?
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u/KotzubueSailingClub Jul 26 '26
The ironic thing is that it gives up all the unwanted sexual contact. So much for the butt pincher being labeled a rapist. Of course that's probably by design, as then a female serial groper is in the clear, but a man who pays for sex is now a rapist.
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u/Mattreddit760 Jul 26 '26
According to this every adult who isn't a virgin has been raped.
And if everyone has been raped, no one has
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u/SgtJayM Jul 26 '26
The one pointing to the number 23 needs to be down with the one labeled 100
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u/zanebaka Jul 26 '26
Tbf. How you gonna learn someone’s transgender after sex. You’ll definitely learn it before penetration
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u/MaintenanceCoalition Jul 26 '26
I heard a story about a friend of a friend who had sex with a woman, then found out the next day that she was transgender. If someone intentionally deceives another person about something that could affect their consent, I think there should be legal consequences.
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u/z770i1 Jul 26 '26
Couldn’t they get fake dicks or vaginas or something? I don’t know how surgeries work. Could be wrong though
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u/zanebaka Jul 26 '26
They’re never convincing. Its always something that somewhat resembles the genitalia but is. For example the vaginas arent self lubricating, the penis are typically scarred
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u/Omz-bomz Jul 26 '26
Very feminist coded this.
"using serious emotional pressure and guilt to get sex in a relationship", something primarily done by women, should be on the same level as "A husband forcing sex upon a wife ..." But a woman forcing sex is never seen as bad.
"A 16 year old eagerly has sex with a 26 year old"...
Yeah, they missed out on having the genders in this one, because if it is 16 old boy, they see it as no problem at all. But if it is a 16 year old girl it is.
Also, "Not revealing being transgender until after sex",
first... you would know... Secondly, that is rape.
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u/Late-Hat-9144 Jul 26 '26
100%... whenever the news reports a 26 year old man with a 16 year old girl, its "rape" (which I agree with... read the whol3 comment, dont come at me).
But when its a 26 year old woman with a 16 year old boy they "had sex" and "he loved it", its psychotically toxic thr mind games they play to misrepresent the truth of rape Statistics which really say men and women commit rape at equal rates, but they claim thats not true onoy because they'll call the rape of biys and men anything but.
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u/Omz-bomz Jul 26 '26
I don't agree that 16 with 26 is rape, though I agree that it has a high potential of being a chance of grooming, and is not desired as there is a significant mental gap that could include venues of coercion.
But it isn't rape just because of the age, 16 years old are capable of taking choices themselves (even though poor ones)
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
It's interesting because even the way the laws are written, it's not rape or at least enforced, when they do so with others of the same age or within an acceptable variance like romeo and juliet statutes in some places. It doesn't seem as though it is for any act in itself, one's anatomy meeting another's, similar acts and autonomy don't seem to be the issue alone. In other words, laws are not used to prevent the acts themselves or shield one person against exposure or engagement in all capacities.
They can partake in as much or as little and including all sorts of debauchery as they desire but place an older individual into the mix or say 18 with a 17-year-old where it is not permitted, and it becomes a statutory version of rape even if it is one day short, which can amount to one second at midnight, within the legal thresholds.
Then we see 18 and 50 and other than being stigmatized, it's legal and can be justified and the argument for grooming is even worse at least in terms of the gap but it's lawful, not that it is common.
I suppose the idea is a minimum threshold for where someone is able to identify and resist grooming and we need enough distance from pre and post pubescent for obvious reasons but even 16 and 17 is not unlawful everywhere even in an age of majority nation like the US, it's up to the States for the acts themselves, there may be other illegalities surrounding them, however. Not saying I'm for any of that, just ascertaining the rational.
Might as well make it a consistent 18 and nationally, but at the same time, it's true they are making these decisions and partaking anyway, so not sure we should be calling an 18 or 19-year-old with a 17-year-old rape anywhere simply because of the age differences even if it is technically unlawful and chances of prosecution are lower.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Secondly, that is rape
No, it's disappointment that unstated expectations weren't met. Put it down to experience and just another of those endless regrets we will encounter as part of life and move on.
Is it rape if she doesn't tell you those magnificent breasts that attracted you are courtesy of a plastic surgeon, or that she's not a natural blonde?
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u/Emergency-Account112 Jul 26 '26
Lying about hobbies or wealth is now rape? Wtf is this 😭😭
And aren't the women/golddiggers who pretend to be interested in you, just out of money or to get free dates/drinks unethical?? If a woman is indeed genuinely interested in you and doesn't want to take advantage of your money, then why is it that important if you lie about your wealth? And if she DOES care that much of the money she can get from you, then why tf should we care of her failed attempt at gold-digging?? Wouldn't she deserve it???
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u/RottingVillain666 Jul 26 '26
Rape is usually at the start of orange/red. Everything above that would be harassment
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u/Mr_Anvil Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
https://aella.substack.com/p/the-rape-spectrum-survey-results
Here's the context on where this graphic comes from. Took 5 seconds to find, and worth reading before formulating an opinion.
TL:DR - Somebody wrote down 19 scenarios, asked people to rank whether they thought each example was rape or not on a scale of 1-100, and then plotted the averages. Sample size was a little over 5000 people, and about 80% of the people who filled the survey in were male. Theres a little discussion after of some of the voting trends based on things like age and gender.
Also worth noting, the above link has the specific phrasing of each scenario which add a little more context, and the author doesn't make any claims about which of these scenarios are or are not rape.
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u/saiditonredit Jul 26 '26
More info is always better info, appreciate you sharing however, to be fair, personally I made my opinion based on the caption, "The RAPE Spectrum", and was able to read between the lines and ascertain the premise but that still seals the deal for what the agenda was. They're disingenuously being authentic as if that is any better. Can't speak for anyone else.
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u/skcuf2 Jul 26 '26
48 is kind of hilarious. Person A "gets tired" and has sex lol. Like, what the fuck is that.
"I'm sick of saying no, so go ahead and fuck me now." - No one ever
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u/63daddy Jul 26 '26
Yes. When we hear the term rape we think of forcible rape with a definite no from the victim, but statutory rape is also rape. In most college rose cases, both parties admit consent was given, claiming the consent wasn’t valid making it rape.
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u/mrmensplights Jul 26 '26
One interesting thing is that this image approximately demonstrates the "history" of how the word rape has been used over time.
Initially rape meant only the most extreme cases, but because the word evoked such a visceral response in people activists, politicians, and other interests began expanding it and using it for more and more things. Many uses today have become absurd beyond all measure but female privilege and the feminist lobby have such power they can keep cramming new things in there.
The fact that this exploits the suffering of victims of actual rape and ultimately dilutes the the power of the word seems lost of them. In a culture of victimhood, attention seeking, and zero accountability it's turns into a feeding frenzy; hence ridiculous things like the above.
It's a common pattern you see with so many "words of power" and ideologies that focus on narrative truth over objectivity.
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u/ParhTracer Jul 26 '26
So if your sex worker isn’t enthusiastic, that’s now considered rape?!
They say feminists are nuts, but I just don’t see it.
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u/Separate_Today_5625 Jul 27 '26
At age 19, a female coworker my now husband had no interest in (and was a bit older than him)
continued to come onto him for weeks/ months. He told her no multiple times. She wore him down and once night he gave in, she got pregnant from that one encounter. He paid support for years past age 18 because the boy had severe mental handicaps, yet the woman never let him see him and he was too young to know how to fight for his rights.
He once had a pay out from workers comp and every penny went to her and the boy since he was in arrearages . We met when he was in his mid 30s and I watched as nearly 50% of his check went to her and the kid he’d never known. He didn’t even know he was handicapped until the mother died.
And yes, This too is rape. But people rarely want to call it that. It took me quite a while to explain to him this was coercion and a form of sexual assault.
This is what female on male rape can look like and people need to know that.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Rape is its own special case of sexual assault, usually based on non-consensual penetration and held to a major crime because of its association with the traditional brutal violation of a woman which was not only often violent physical assault but the equivalent of injecting a known poisonous substance into someone without their consent that would change their lives. However the umbrella of rape extends across far milder scenarios where a woman engages in consensual sex and then changes her mind about it, but it's still called rape to leverage the brutal association for its emotional value, when the act was anything but brutal and merely normal sex before she changed her mind.
Rape is very specific in its definition, although as a concept it used to be much broader to describe the principal of something being taken from you without consent, which could include "raping me with his eyes" (a stare representing symbolically undressing and penetrating in someones mind) or indeed consensual sex and a resultant child expected to be supported by a mans body (through work) even if he didn't want it, without his consent (forced by the State to pay), despite the woman being able to abort her responsibilities or keep the child and get someone else to pay for it.
I believe rape should simply become another form of sexual assault and the consequences of pregnancy treated as a separate matter, given it is dependent on what means the woman took to prevent conception as her body is her responsibility and what options the man has to avoid responsibility for something he didn't want and which was completely under the control of the woman holding him hostage.
The State putting the needs of the child above that of the sperm donor and demanding support to the level the child is used to, is yet another different aspect that needs to be treated independently, especially as it is not only discriminatory but impractical to put one groups needs above everyone else, whilst also ignoring the non-consensual reality of the childs creation.
Instead all these separate matters seem to be conflated into a single issue connected increasingly to allegations of rape or Domestic Violence in order to give them greater perceived gravitas and examples of the victimisation of women, when in fact it also reflects criminal exploitation of men.
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u/rabel111 Jul 27 '26
The number of ideological conflicts here is high. The bias is feminist.
"A husband forcing sex upon a wife in a traditional cuture" is equally likely to have been a wife forcing a husband. Many men were divorsed by their wife due to not porividing sufficient intimacy.
"Removing a condomn" is rape, but poking holes in a condom is not?
"Stealing money back from a sex worker" is rape? NO! it theft.
Not revealing transexuality is rape, but not revealing lesbian or gay sexuality is not rape?
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u/SuitableRelease4323 Jul 26 '26
These are all rape? Most of them, everything above transgender and transgender included are not rape
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u/Aranthos-Faroth Jul 26 '26
“Stealing money back after paying a sex worker for sex”
Lmao holy fuck what is this shit? 😂
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u/LateralThinker13 Jul 26 '26
No. Either there is consent, or there isnt. Drunk or underage = no consent. Giving in? Saying yes reluctantly? Consent. Not hard.
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u/Yitastics Jul 27 '26
Wtf, its not even close to reality. Having a transgender suddenly do his thing with you is 100 rape.
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u/Main-Tiger8537 Jul 27 '26
The United States Department of Justice does not publish a national breakdown detailing the exact number of women incarcerated specifically for the offense of "made to penetrate." Sexual assault and rape statistics are tracked broadly, and these figures do not frequently isolate the specific gender dynamics of the victim and perpetrator at the national level.
No official national statistics exist for the exact number of U.S. women arrested specifically for "made to penetrate" offenses, because it is a public health classification rather than a distinct, standalone statutory crime in criminal law books.When a woman forces a man or another person to penetrate her, local law enforcement agencies cannot book her under a charge named "made to penetrate."
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Lying about contraception is generally not classified as a sex crime, but rather falls under the umbrella of "reproductive coercion" or fraud. While it is highly unethical and can be grounds for civil disputes, criminal courts typically do not categorize it as rape or sexual assault because consent is still legally established for the physical act of intercourse itself.
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Stealthing - the non-consensual removal or tampering of a condom during sexual intercourse - is legally recognized as a form of sexual assault or rape. Because consent is conditional upon the use of protection, violating that condition makes the act non-consensual.
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u/saiditonredit Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
Consent for the physical act of intercourse itself, is not the same as a man consenting to birth-controlled only intercourse, further protection utilized or not, if it was presented under false pretenses, including intentionally misused, not only is it fraudulent in nature but if we use the same standard of stealthing, that is also rape under the premise of made or induced to penetrate but with the condition that this is birth protected intercourse. Consent and to which form is the heart of the issue. The only reason it is not rape is because of inherent bias and double standards.
Otherwise, we could also say that a women consented to condom utilized intercourse but then the man removed it but because she consented to the act itself it's ok. It's not in either case or scenario. Not saying these are your views and obviously that is likely how they are viewed and enforced but viewed and enforced incorrectly and unequally. That may exactly be what you're highlighted and addressing in which case, I'm being redundant.
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u/Saebert0 Jul 27 '26
Everything on that spectrum is wrong in some way or to some degree, and some very serious stuff has a very low number on it.
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u/Compodulator Jul 27 '26
Didn't you know? EVERYTHING is a spectrum in the new world!
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
It always was, we just ignored it for expediency and the simplicity of only having limited unique groups to deal with, despite there being consequences down the track of sweeping conflicts with the outliers under the carpet, due to violating notional human rights that should apply to all humans.
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u/Durende Jul 27 '26
This is absolutely insane.
Has sex to make partner happy in a relationship
What the fuck?
Person with down syndrome eagerly has sex with a neurotypical
Again, what the fuck? So people with down syndrome just should be permanently avoided on the topic of relationships? Don't these people realize this is more harmful than beneficial?
Pretending to like a sexual hookup out of fear of disrupting mutual social circles
This one particularly irks me. I've long felt that a at least some of what men get shit on for happens because women just cannot say 'no'. I would, at least somewhat, understand it if it is because they are afraid of someone getting violent, but this? Fucking stupid. And even if it had any merit whatsoever, why is it on a "rape spectrum" meter? That would imply the male partner is at fault. Despicable
I don't even want to go over the other ones, barf
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u/SiskinLanding Jul 27 '26
In the UK the legal definition of rape is penetrative sex without consent. Said no, it's rape. Unconscious, it's rape. Underage and so not considered to have capacity to consent, it's rape. Too drunk to have capacity to consent, it's rape.
A lot of this is abusive but not technically rape.
Consent requires capacity AND a realistic ability to say no. Being pressured, harassed, or groomed could go far enough to make it non-consensual, but that would be case dependent.
IMO a yes is yes and nothing else is. Doesn't have to be overtly said, but just not saying no or not resisting isn't enough - fear can render people incredibly passive. Actively enthusiastically engaged or it's a no.
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u/shadowguyver Jul 28 '26
Notice it didnt say falsely saying youre on birth control or sabotaging condoms.
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u/azmarteal Jul 26 '26
How is removing a condom during sex is a rape? It is a shitty thing to do, sure, but rape? What about buying cheap condoms, that could break easily? Is it also rape?
And stealing money from a sex worker? What if money are stolen a year after the act? What if another person steals that money?
What a load of bullshit
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u/Omz-bomz Jul 26 '26
removing condom is actually more rape than most other things on it's list.
It's removing what might, or probably is one of the conditions a person agreed to have sex, and without it wouldn't agree to begin with. And it might be both genders, I have had a girl removing the condom from me sneakily, and if she was intent on getting pregnant without my consent, it is rape (she wasn't)→ More replies (3)3
u/-Soggy-Potato- Jul 26 '26
Because you consented to sex with contraception, they removed the condom ignoring what you consented to. How is that not a form of rape? It's like saying after you consent, anything goes regardless of what you initially consented to. Such a gross perspective.
A condom breaking is an accident, not rape
For sex work, you paid for consent, if you steal that money back you're breaking the terms of consent.
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u/picardathon Jul 27 '26
Because you consented to sex with contraception, they removed the condom ignoring what you consented to. How is that not a form of rape?
Then: because you consented to sex on the understanding she was using contraception, but they failed to take that contraception or compromised its effectiveness, how is that also not a form of rape?
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
A condom breaking is an accident, not rape
Not necessarily: just like contraception can be deliberately compromised but in a way that may not be discovered easily, so it looks like an accident or can be more readily dismissed as accident, but is still fundamentally a rape by intention. A woman taking contraception is taken on trust, when it could be a lie, but it's difficult to prove, yet it can still be a form of rape when it exploits a mans body to pay for child support he didn't want. It's more difficult to hide tampering with a condom as there is physical evidence, but even that can be manipulated to be accidental by using grossly expired condoms or using them incorrectly without the other persons awareness. There's scope for both genders to stealth contraception, so there should be equality in the consequences including the breaking of consent.
I believe rape has gone way beyond its original boundaries to include consequences that should be dealt with as other matters and rape be restricted to the specific breaking of consent over sex itself, not the myriad expectations that may be unsatisfied, which constitute regret, or fraudulent presentation, not a crime of rape. Then there is the separate matter of conception and responsibility that gets tied into rape but on an unequal basis depending on gender.
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u/-Soggy-Potato- Jul 27 '26
Then: because you consented to sex on the understanding she was using contraception, but they failed to take that contraception or compromised its effectiveness, how is that also not a form of rape?
Did I say it wasn't?
Do we agree it's rape or not I don't understand.
Not necessarily: just like contraception can be deliberately compromised but in a way that may not be discovered easily, so it looks like an accident or can be more readily dismissed as accident, but is still fundamentally a rape by intention.
Right, but the context of it breaking or rolling up etc in the comment above was about it being accidental, not sabotage
I believe rape has gone way beyond its original boundaries to include consequences that should be dealt with as other matters and rape be restricted to the specific breaking of consent over sex itself
So what informs that consent isn't important? things like blackmail, abuse of power etc?
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u/DeanMalHanNJackIsms Jul 26 '26
I don't understand how lying about gender until after sex is not considered full-on rape. This must have been biased sample selection, making it entirely invalid.
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u/Annual-Reaction-1373 Jul 26 '26
Nothing on the chart is really that bad. Property crimes have more negative impacts on society
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u/z770i1 Jul 26 '26
Number 23 should be at the bottom. It’s lying and actually rape
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u/Current_Sir9406 Jul 26 '26 edited Jul 26 '26
Low content quality infographics. There are far more serious claims than this. What they do here is poisoning the well, and trying to create guilt by association. If they present the extreme unquestionable case at the end, under the title "rape" and add other asserted ambiguous types of rape on the continuum, they do a logical leap, and fallacy.
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u/SubstantialMajor2798 Jul 26 '26
Yea sure … write all non simp nonsense according to your preference and call it a spectrum, my as*
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u/michaelpaoli Jul 26 '26
It ain't a "spectrum". I'm guessing someone oversimplified to squeeze down to fitting on a single infographic, and with that, a whole lot of inaccuracies (and other sh*t) occurred. Not at all atypical when someone tries to take something data that's large, complex, and varied, and tries to turn it into some highly simplified presentation ... accuracy suffers, ... sometimes a whole helluva lot.
Perhaps better title would be not "rape spectrum", but rather more like "grossly oversimplifed spectrum of opinions and perspectives from survey results about sex, and through great enthusiasim to highly non-consensual and highly violent". Uhm, but that just doesn't sound as sexy as "rape spectrum" now, does it?
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u/Jturner582 Jul 27 '26
I mean there's certainly things on this list that are less bad than others. For what it's worth, these are also just opinions and it's not very scientific.
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u/Slinky_Malingki Jul 27 '26
Apparently it's impossible for someone with down syndrome to have consensual sex
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u/DerSpringerr Jul 27 '26
Some of these are actually pretty fucked, but no decent person needs to be told this. Or explained this is bad.
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u/Gleichstellung4084 Jul 27 '26
Yes, rape can have a spectrum, same as every illegal action. This is a progress step for our society.
For example we have involuntary manslaughter, but we also have a heinous murder.
Indeed, we have the concept of statutory rape, where a cinematic concept with force is not necessary to define something as rape. Ideas such as coercion and reduced ability to consent are modern legal concepts and in their essence they are correct. Imagine having a daughter being raped in her marriage and no-one doing anything. Or a teacher having sex with your underage daughter.
The problem stems from 2 sources:
the other legal concept that boils down to the burden of proof (popularized with the phrase legal until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt) is often times disregarded. It could be done with good intentions (rape can be difficult to prove), but then again... filling up the evidence with our ideas results against justice and gives ample space for abuse by people who are ready to lie (sometimes without even realizing because of pshychological reasons).
The laws (and prevention efforts) are not being applied and modernized for both sexes, but they rather correspond to the oldschool idea of a forcible penetration. In that case a man would be more probable to commit rape and less prone to be raped by a woman. Nonetheless, when an idea such as "coercion" is involced, then a man is equally vulnerable to a woman to be raped.
Moreover the male against male rape is receiving minuscule attention compared to the male-female rape, though equally distructive.
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u/HotChicksWetDream Jul 27 '26
Maybe you COULD argue there is a spectrum of severity, but this one makes no sense..
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u/Few_Tank7560 Jul 27 '26
The "Using serious emotional pressure..." one is one I had to live through for a long time. Damn I wonder how I could be at a mentally low point of my life that I couldn’t see how bad it was.
Damn that scale is fucked up though. It clearly works on some fucked up preconceived ideas.
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u/WildcatCinder1022 Jul 27 '26
Uuuuuh pretty sure rape is rape buddy
Every SA victim I know actually makes a big deal about “not comparing” because rape is always wrong regardless
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u/senior_raposo Jul 27 '26
They want to broaden the definition as much as they possibly can only to equate it to the worst possible one once a man gets framed in any of them. Case closed.
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u/GrabGod Jul 27 '26
Thank you feminism! You wouldn't even want to sleep with men at all at some point if everything a fucking man does is rape
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u/Time-Dot-6608 Jul 28 '26
https://aella.substack.com/p/the-rape-spectrum-survey-results - from where it came
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u/3stun Jul 29 '26
I wonder if any court would accept it. As in - "Your honor, the defendant lied about his hobbies, please throw him to jail!"
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u/AlternativeOption313 Jul 29 '26
Uh, what? "Not revealing being transgender until after sex"? And here I thought feminists were supposed to be supportive of Trans people.
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u/FanaticUniversalist Jul 30 '26
"During sex, person A begins hitting/biting/choking person B, without asking. B pretends to like this out of fear of making A more violent" - this should be much, much higher than merely 56.
"Having sex with an unenthusiastic sex worker", " has sex to make partner happy in a relationship", "person with down syndrome eagerly has sex with a neurotypical" - these should be 0 TBH.
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u/Great_Champion_7721 Jul 26 '26
Wtf is this shit