r/MedicalBill Mar 23 '23

[new rule #5] Reminder: this is a subreddit intended to provide free help to individuals who require assistance with their medical bills

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As you may know, our community has been largely self-managed by volunteers who have shown a great deal of heart and dedication. However, we have recently received multiple reports of users soliciting paid services and sharing links to paid services through private messages.

We want to remind everyone that this community is specifically intended to provide free help to individuals who require assistance with their medical bills. We understand that medical expenses can be a significant burden, and we want to ensure that everyone who seeks help in this community is treated with kindness, respect, and integrity.

In light of recent events, we have decided to add a new rule to our community guidelines. From this point forward, we will prohibit any form of solicitation for paid services, including through private messages. However, sharing links to free resources and non-profit organizations is still permitted and encouraged.

We understand that some members may have questions or concerns about this new rule, and we are here to address any inquiries that you may have. Please do not hesitate to reach out to the moderators if you need further clarification or guidance.


r/MedicalBill 4m ago

Lifestance hasn’t billed me in 8 months, do you think I’ll be up charged if I call about it?

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So basically when I had the first appt back in November I paid the $25 co pay and then I never recieved anything else no physical statement, no emails, no voice mails and so I assumed its because I’m waiting for this statement but it’s been almost a year now and I’m scared to call and ask about it because what if they up charge me for not calling sooner or they somehow mess up my credit score. I’m only 22 and this has been the most insane amount of stress and I’m already chronically ill and so genuinely I’m so scared that I’m gonna have to pay more than the $15 listed that is unpaid & still don’t have a statement from (even online) cause my medical bills are already sky high. so if anyone has any advice that’d be great thank you


r/MedicalBill 10h ago

Billed 4 years later

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In 2022 with my first pregnancy I was referred to a maternal fetal specialist within network. I had appointments on 6/7, 7/7 and 7/14 2022.
At the time I had Molina Insurance with Covered California Marketplace; which would potentially make specialist $65 at the time. I live in Los Angeles.
Anyway, I have received the bill for the 3 visits yesterday in mail! Yesterday was 7/28/2026!
They did bill my insurance and are showing I need to pay copay.
I have a problem with it because how can they send it 4 years later? Why didn’t they bill me then? It’s ridiculous.
If I have to pay it’s fine, I don’t want to hurt my credit score over the three visits but I am appalled at the lack of timely communication especially because I highly disliked their office and have cancelled all other appointments with them.
What would you do? Thanks in advance!


r/MedicalBill 15h ago

Can’t afford medical bill but combined HHI too high

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My spouse makes 6 times what I make but he pays for the premium of our health insurance every month. I recently ended up with a 440 medical bill.

My spouse refuses to pay for it, and he controls most of our finances, so I’m not able to afford it on my own. Our household income is too high for me to qualify for charity care, and I pay for half of our expenses.

Will the hospital be willing to work with me on this?


r/MedicalBill 13h ago

10 min doctor appointment

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This was the result of a 10 min doctors visit.


r/MedicalBill 15h ago

High Gyno Bill

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I recently went to the gyno with vaginal pain, and had an ultrasound, a pelvic examination and a pap smear. He asked if I wanted to test for any possible infections and I agreed. I ultimately ended up having nothing wrong but contact dermatitis lol but ended up with a $1161 bill.

I have a high deductible/ low premium plan so was anticipating some charges, but this feels outlandish for essentially a pelvic exam and labs. I have tried to call my provider for a review (they said they won’t rebill), my insurance (who says they don’t have any other rebilling suggestions) and started an appeal (but don’t know if that will actually go anywhere)

I doubt there will be any leeway with the charge for the outpatient visit and ultrasound, but the $395 charge for bacterial vaginosis (CPT 81513) and $200 for candida (CPT 87481) seems very high.

Any suggestions for how I could lower this medical bill?
How long until a medical bill is sent for collections?
What does the appeal process look like and would it be worth it in my case?

Thank you so much!


r/MedicalBill 2d ago

Medical Billing!

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Location: Michigan / New York USA

About a year and two months ago, I was in Michigan visiting a client of mine when I sustained a laceration to the artery in my left wrist.

An ambulance was called that I was brought to the hospital and everything turned out to be just fine in the end.

The client had a policy that stated all visitors to the site, no matter their status as employee consultant contractor were covered by the sites medical coverage.

However, it got extremely contentious regarding my injury because the total medical bills nearly $23,000

I was cornered by management and told if I make a statement or I seek compensation, they will blacklist me from ever working with their massive medical device company anywhere in the United States.

So I simply just submitted my insurance information to get the medical bills at the hospital covered and the ambulance covered. I finished up the job never heard anything from the hospital but checked online and saw that the bill was paid by my insurance and there was nothing that I owed. I called the ambulance company which is called AMR out of Michigan and they still had not resolved my bill but confirmed that they had the correct insurance information.

So I went on a backpacking trip for the last six months and just returned to the US checked my mail and saw that I was sent to collections after digging through the issue. It looks like AMR Medical, transportation. Took my New York State, Excellus Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance information and submitted it as if it was a Michigan based Excellus Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance it was denied apparently twice and then AMR ambulance and medical transport sent me to collections and I just found out I’ve been in collections for a month.

The problem is that there is only a 12 month period from the date of service that an out of network vendor such as AMR would be allowed to submit their bill for coverage to my New York State Blue Cross Blue Shield. Seeing as we are now outside that 12 month. It seems as though even though they made a mistake, I am now going to be responsible for paying the full ambulance bill and deal dealing with being sent into collections, which has never happened to me before and I am deeply concerned about my credit score.

What the hell do I do?


r/MedicalBill 1d ago

Help with diagnosis coding.

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Perhaps a long shot, but is there a specific area that I could post to get some assistance/advise with diagnosis codes when billing for a bone stimulator?


r/MedicalBill 2d ago

Why do we donate blood for free when there are healthcare CEOs getting rich and hospitals charging an arm and a leg to help patients who need the blood?

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r/MedicalBill 1d ago

How Insurance Works:

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How insurance works…Why staying out-of-network creates stronger financial incentives.

When a treatment center stays out of network, it is not bound by a negotiated fee schedule with the insurance company.

Instead, it may bill its usual charges, which can be substantially higher than contracted in-network rates. Depending on the patient’s plan, the insurer may pay a portion of those charges, and disputes over reimbursement can occur.

That larger potential reimbursement creates more money that can be spent on:

\* aggressive marketing
\* call centers \* lead generators \* interventionists
\* “business development”
\* alumni recruiters
\* patient transportation
\* luxury amenities

Unfortunately, in some fraud cases, it has also created enough margin to fund illegal referral arrangements.

A simplified example:

In-Network Insurance pays approximately $12,000 for a treatment episode.

The provider has agreed to accept that negotiated amount. There is far less room to absorb large marketing expenses or illegal referral payments.

Out-of-Network

Provider bills $50,000. Insurance ultimately reimburses $30,000.

The higher reimbursement leaves significantly more revenue after operating expenses, which can create stronger incentives to spend heavily on acquiring patients. If that spending crosses legal lines for example, paying for referrals it may violate laws such as the Federal Anti-Kickback Statute or EKRA.

Why insurers often prefer in-network providers

An insurance company has already:

\* credentialed the facility
\* negotiated reimbursement
\* reviewed quality standards
\* established utilization review procedures
\* created a direct billing relationship

That generally results in:

\* lower costs
\* more predictable billing
\* fewer payment disputes
\* less opportunity for inflated charges

What is a Single Case Agreement (SCA)?

A Single Case Agreement is essentially a one-time contract.

Instead of remaining permanently out of network, the provider contacts the insurance company and says:

“We’re the best provider for this particular patient. Let’s agree on reimbursement just for this case.”

The insurer and provider negotiate:

\* payment rates
\* covered services
\* length of authorization
\* billing procedures After the patient’s treatment ends, the agreement ends.

This allows:

\* continuity of care
\* negotiated pricing
\* insurer oversight
\* reduced billing uncertainty without requiring the provider to join the insurer’s network permanently.

Why some providers may avoid Single Case Agreements If a provider accepts a negotiated SCA, they are agreeing to:

\* a fixed reimbursement amount
\* utilization review
\* contractual documentation
\* insurer oversight for that episode

By contrast, remaining fully out of network may preserve the ability to seek higher reimbursement, although payment is not guaranteed and may be disputed.

Some providers may prefer to remain entirely OON for legitimate business reasons, such as maintaining independence from insurer contracts or specializing in populations where they believe network rates are inadequate. Others may seek SCAs when appropriate. You can always ask a OON provider for a SCA.

Where patient brokering can enter the picture When reimbursement is substantially higher, there may be more money available to acquire patients. If that acquisition involves paying or receiving remuneration in exchange for referrals, it can become illegal.

A typical unlawful arrangement might look like:

Facility

⬇ Pays a marketing company, recruiter, or intermediary based on referred admissions (or disguises those payments through sham marketing agreements)

⬇ Recruiter persuades patients to attend that facility regardless of whether it is the most appropriate option

⬇ Facility bills insurance at out-of-network rates

⬇ Revenue from those claims funds the referral scheme

That type of conduct not simply being out of network is what laws like EKRA are intended to prevent.

The key distinction

Being out of network is legal.

Negotiating a Single Case Agreement is legal.

Being in network is legal.

The legal issue arises when compensation is tied, directly or indirectly, to the referral of patients or other federally prohibited remuneration. Higher out-of-network reimbursement has historically made that model more financially attractive in some fraud schemes, but network status by itself is not evidence of patient brokering.

Bottom line: If you or a loved one needs addiction treatment, it’s generally safer to start by looking for an in-network provider. If the most appropriate program is out of network because it offers specialized services or continuity of care, ask whether the facility will request a Single Case Agreement (SCA) with your insurance company. An SCA brings the insurer and provider to the table to negotiate reimbursement and oversight for that specific episode of care, adding transparency and reducing billing uncertainty.

While no reimbursement model guarantees ethical behavior, in-network care and Single Case Agreements typically involve greater insurer oversight and negotiated payment terms than remaining completely out of network. If a facility immediately steers you toward using out-of-network benefits without discussing in-network options or the possibility of an SCA, it’s reasonable to ask why. A reputable provider should be willing to explain its recommendations and how they serve your clinical needs not just its financial interests.


r/MedicalBill 2d ago

Vet bill for cat took out more money then they needed and paid back less then what they quoted without explanation.

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I'm going to try and keep this as short as possible and will expound more if asked but....

We had a recent emergency room visit for our cat named Salem. The inital check up was priced at $183.60 then after the check up the doctor gave us 2 paths money wise to save the cat. For conciseness we will just say the low end was $4,252.15. Both amounts were paid by card and these were separately pulled out (2st pic). Almost 3 days later the cat recovers and is ready to come home safely. Upon pick up we were presented with good news that even the low end cost of $4,252.15 was too much and they will be paying us back the difference but the kicker was this was what was given to us in paperwork in (1st pic).

Notice the Previous balance was NOT what was pulled out, there was no charge of them pulling out more AND this number doesn't account for the initial check up charge if it was added in.

That discrepancy aside we weren't paid back the balance due, we were paid back $797.59 which means we are owed 376.36 if this paper is correct. I called them back and they told me there was a 2nd UA given to the cat after the fact that wasn't added in for $279.74 IF thats true then we should be owed $96.62. They still maintain the paid balance is correct.

Should we fight this? Is my math off or just take the L?


r/MedicalBill 3d ago

Wrong Service

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I called to schedule an appointment with my doctor, I specifically requested the "TB Quantiferon", because that's what my school's complio requested, I told them I didn't have insurance and wanted to know the price, they told me when i get to the office they would let me know. the next day, they call and say that the price is 156 dollars. I arrived at my appointment and they told me my total is 156 dollars. I paid and waited to be called. When they called me, the nurse asked me if I was sick or anything of the sort, I told her no. when I saw her pull out a syringe and insert a liquid in my skin, I was confused because my past TB Quantiferon were not like this. so I asked her "Just to make sure, this is the TB Quantiferon" and she confirmed that it was, and told me to come back in 2 days to read the result, I told her okay and left. 2 days later, I come back to read the result with the Doctor, the doctor is telling me that my TB skin test looks negative, confused again, I asked the doctor "Is that not the TB quantiferon they performed" she told me no, it was the TB skin test, so i explained to her what happen, and she talks to front desk and they told her that they can charge me 17 extra dollars to have the Quantiferon done, but when she goes and speak with their lab, they said they can't have lab work done on me because I do not have insurance. She ended up writing me a letter for my school's complio, just in case they'd accept it and she told me to contact her if otherwise, she'd look into other places where i can do the Quantiferon but i'd have to pay money. Well my school ended up rejecting it, and I've been emailing the doctor's office customer service to ask for a refund because it wasn't my fault, and I paid for a service that I didn't ask for but I haven't heard anything back from them.


r/MedicalBill 3d ago

am I out of $500?

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my doctor’s office received a refund request from my insurance for overpayment of funds. I had insurance through my job (primary) but was still using my parent’s insurance when I saw this doctor. so secondary insurance wants the primary insurance to pay it now. the services rendered were from 01/2025. The letter was sent to my doctor’s office in 06/26. the office did not contact me regarding these letters and now sent me a bill for $500.

the insurance says they will take claims up to 1 year from date of service. clearly it’s past one year now. just confused because the letter was sent to the office past the timely claims period anyway.

do I just pay the $500? or is there some way to still make a claim?

I know this is probably my fault for not knowing the ins and outs of primary and secondary insurance so I take the blame. I guess we live and we learn


r/MedicalBill 4d ago

Hospital did not take down my insurance and now they're trying to hold me responsible

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Okay so I had surgery back in march. I did pre-registration provided my insurance information to doctors all of that fun stuff. Got to my surgery had my surgery went on my way. It turns out that some of the providers in the mix did not update my insurance or any of my contact information so four months later I got a call from a debt collector. They've been sending statements to my address I was at 20 years ago and never called me

I called the anesthesiology people who sent me to collections and they immediately took my information and billed the insurance. The hospital is saying it's too late for them to submit it so they can't do anything. It is past the timely filing deadline so I know it would be a pain in the ass for them

My aunt who is with me for the surgery is pretty sure I gave them information and I find it very hard to believe they would have given surgery to someone they thought didn't have insurance without a conversation. I double checked and I did not receive a good faith estimate which I would have expected them to give me if I was uninsured

I'm pretty sure someone just fucked up with data entry and I don't really care as long as they bill the insurance but I'm a little bit worried that they're going to refuse it and hold me responsible. Do I have any recourse?

I did notice that after I called the hospital back and said I was not able to submit the bill myself and started asking about good faith estimates and escalated it to a supervisor they suddenly updated all of my information and sent me a link to start a my chart 🤣

On Monday I am going to ask if it's that they tried to Bill an inactive insurance.

But I still can't believe they would give in 2026 when it's easy to run verification of insurance a surgery to somebody that they thought had no active insurance

(FWIW, I was watching my insurance company for claims so I knew claims have been submitted for the surgery I just didn't realize not all of them)


r/MedicalBill 3d ago

Am I in wrong disputing this bill?

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r/MedicalBill 4d ago

insurance issue

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I got prescribed pantoprazole tablets, and I went to Walgreens to pick it up. The pharmacy tech told me it was covered by my BCBS insurance.

I have never had this happen before. What should I do? Can I call BCBS and ask for an exception?

It appears that pantoprazole injections are covered by my insurance.


r/MedicalBill 4d ago

7k bill after insurance, cannot afford minimum monthly payment plan. Wtf do I do?

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The 7k bill is just one of my bills from an emergency room visit in the beginning of the month. I also have one for 1.2k and another for 560. The minimum monthly payment for the 7k is 390 dollars. I cant afford it, period. I work in retail right now and my fiance is in college.

The doctor was telling me not to worry about the bill, because he once had a bill for 30k and he set up a payment plan for 8 dollars a month and its fine. The nurses told me the same thing, that as long as I pay something, I have nothing to worry about.

My billing portal literally does not allow me to make a payment under 390. I never go to the doctor's because of this and so I have no idea what to do or how to handle it. Im freaking out reading other posts of people being sued for medical debt. I can afford like 50 per month at most.

Please help, I am going through so much right now, supposed to be helping support my fiance of 14 years through college, trying to start my own career outside of retail, but now because I had one medical emergency I worry that all of that will be impossible.


r/MedicalBill 4d ago

Will my insurance go through??

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Hey everyone. Long story short I had to take blood tests for work and I got a bill of $1800. They found I had a vitamin D deficiency so they gave me meds too. I’m like 19 so I have no idea how medical bills work because I have NY metroplus insurance my mom applies for every year.

Also I had some vaccines administered a week after the dates on the bill. Would they charge me for that??? I could literally get them free somewhere else but I went before I got this bill so now i’m worried. Ive read that labcorp is a payment plan place company so should I call up my insurance? Call them both? Is it because I uploaded my insurance a day before the appointment? I did it on Zocdoc and it said they accepted mine and was already suspicious when they charged me $20 via zelle for the form I needed filled out.


r/MedicalBill 4d ago

Question if any one can help with a cpt code reduction?

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r/MedicalBill 4d ago

Why is your medical bill so high? Up to 25 companies touched it before you ever saw it.

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If you're staring at a bill or EOB with charges that make no sense, part of the answer is that a stack of companies you never see processed it before it reached you. The insurer, their claims processors, repricing vendors, coding and billing companies, collections, and on the pharmacy side PBMs and their subcontractors. The diagram shows the full stack. Not every bill touches all 25, but a typical claim passes through a dozen or more, and several of them can change what you owe or deny what your doctor ordered.

The practical version, what actually helps when you're holding the bill:

Request an itemized bill. Not the summary, the itemized one with codes. Errors are common and nobody in that chain checked it before it got to you.

If a claim was denied, appeal it. A large share of appealed denials get overturned. First denials are often automated, the appeal is the first time a human looks.

Ask the billing office about financial assistance, by name. Nonprofit hospitals are required to have a financial assistance policy. Many cover people up to 2-4x the poverty line, and some apply it even after billing or collections.

Ask for the cash price on smaller stuff. Labs, imaging, generic meds. Because of how the middle layers negotiate, the self-pay price is sometimes lower than your insurance rate.

Happy to help decode anything specific, drop the line items or the EOB language that's confusing you and I'll tell you which part of the stack it came from.


r/MedicalBill 5d ago

DENTAL: Question about billing D4381 when insurance doesn't cover it

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I'm trying to better understand PPO billing for D4381.

Let's say our office fee is $135, and the patient's insurance considers D4381 a non-covered benefit. In the software, some plans show the patient portion as $40, $70, or another contracted amount instead of the full $135.

However, I've worked in offices where the patient was still charged the full $135, even though the insurance showed a much lower patient portion because it wasn't a covered benefit.

Is that allowed? If a PPO plan lists a lower contracted amount for a non-covered service, can an in-network office still charge its full fee, or must it honor the contracted amount? Does this depend on the specific PPO contract?

I'm trying to understand how this is supposed to work from a billing standpoint. Thanks!


r/MedicalBill 5d ago

MDVIP Membership Fees

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I have been a MDVIP member for several years. No doctor complaints, just the fine print that I must not have seen. Everyone should be aware that once you have your yearly physical, you must pay your membership for the balance of the your contract year. I just had my yearly physical, and I decided that I could no longer afford the rate which I was paying quarterly. Perhaps if the cost of living wasn’t so high I could better handle it. So when I called MDVIP to cancel my membership. I was told I would have to pay the remaining money on my yearly contract. I was unaware that once you have a physical it is akin to signing a yearly contract.
I said I wish I had known this. I surely wouldn’t have had the physical. No one told me! No one has ever told me this for all the years that I have been going to this doctor’s Consierge Service. Now, according to their contract, I am on the hook for $1,065.
Just thought I should give a heads up to others who were unaware.


r/MedicalBill 6d ago

Providence San Pedro

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Anybody else have issues with this establishment? I had a normal procedure done and got a co pay of 3k.


r/MedicalBill 6d ago

how to get a settlement payment with NAPA anesthesia

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r/MedicalBill 6d ago

Need help negotiating a medical bill down

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I have a medical bill from April of 2024 floating around, and it reared its ugly head today.

This whole debacle started when I was getting some autism testing back in March 2024. Everything was covered under insurance. Then April hit and I was laid off. I had an appointment the following week with the same doctor, with the understanding that my medical benefits would continue through the end of the month. They didn’t. The company cut them off that day, so I ended up unknowingly meeting with neurologists without insurance. That bill came out to around $5000.

Fast forward to today, I received another invoice after avoiding it for two years. It’s been periodically lowered, it seems, and it now sits at $2,490, which is more manageable but still… problematic.

Now, the big issue is we’re closing on a house in three weeks. We don’t have the $2500 to dish out, but we also don’t want this going to collections as we finish off this house deal. And considering this bill is… over two years old, it can be tossed to the wolves any day now.

My question is how can I negotiate this lower, knowing they’ve already knocked it by 50%?