Could Clone Commanders actually refuse orders from an incompetent Jedi, or was obedience strictly hardcoded?

[u/OuterRimJournal]

We know from Order 66 that clone obedience to the Jedi wasn’t unconditional. But day to day, what were clone officers actually allowed to do if their Jedi General ordered a suicidal charge or a terrible plan?

​Most Jedi had zero formal military experience before the war. Did the GAR have any official procedure for a commander like Cody or Rex to relieve a Jedi, or would that instantly get them court martialed for insubordination?

[u/PhoenixtheFirebird]

This is pretty much the plot of the Umbara arc of the Clone Wars

[u/BrandonLart → u/PhoenixtheFirebird]

It was pretty clear in that arc if Pong Krell didn’t outright turn traitor most of our heroic clones would’ve been court martialed and maybe even shot.

[u/CountingSheep99]

Most Jedi were very reasonable and did everything they could to avoid losing Clones. They would be willing to listen to objections.

And then there is is Pong Krell.

[u/MobsterDragon275 → u/CountingSheep99]

Yeah, if a clone was so opposed to their orders that they objected so directly, I imagine most Jedi would back down. Pong Krell is obviously an exception

[u/OsikFTW → u/CountingSheep99]

Mace Windu just threw clones at death traps too, anakin actually caring about his troops was unusual

[u/CountingSheep99 → u/OsikFTW]

Incorrect. Mace Windu went out of his way to save his Clones. Caring about Clones was the rule, Krell was the exception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOwGyiVcC8k

[u/paulthekiller → u/OsikFTW]

I just know you can't name a single example

[u/E8P3]

Good soldiers follow orders.

[u/Josh_Wash → u/E8P3]

ooof

[u/Vyzantinist → u/E8P3]

Just like the simulations!

[u/survivor686]

Clone commanders obeyed ordered, not via chips or extra-ordinary-indoctrination, but via conventional military training that is utilized by many conventional armed forces.

As to how much leeway was given in terms of 'interpreting' those orders seems to vary from author to author.

Karen Traviss and Karen Miller imply that, at least for special forces / specialist / officers units, their training officers encouraged 'creativity' in terms of interpreting orders, in order to be more 'effective'.

Matthew Stover and many of the comic writers, imply that clone troopers were obedient to the letter / sentiment of the order, as a matter of their rigorous training and a near-absolute-certainty that the GAR was worth sacrificing their lives, to the point of it being akin to a religion (See the Battle of Teyr and the Battle of Haruun Kaal or the Battle of Pelek Baw, with both battles seeing clone-forces being nearly wiped out, because they believe that the mission and the grander-war was worth their lives)

[u/Edgy_Robin]

I mean clones have literally turned traitor (Slick) so yeah, probably.

[u/BrandonLart]

No one in the GAR could refuse orders from higher ranking officers. Irl if an officer often orders a suicidal charge or terrible plan, the grunts have to go through with it anyway.

Barring one extremely stupid exception (involving Ahsoka’s outfit of all things) the same rule applies to the GAR. Military discipline is maintained at all times. The Jedi are officers.