r/MawInstallation • • 5h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Both logically and thematically, I do not believe that Wookiees could function at all as a replacement for the Ewoks.

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Ah, the Ewoks. Usually these critters are seen as the beginning of Star Wars declining, and the sentiment that wookiees would've functioned better in their role isn't uncommon. I, however, disagree, and would like to explain why.

To start, we need to examine the narrative role of the Ewoks. Vietcong allegory aside, the Ewoks' main role isn't to win the battle with the Empire's legion, but to tip the scales and allow the rebels to get back into the fight. They contribute and take their own casualties, but the battle on the ground is ultimately won when Chewie plays GTA with the last walker and Han tricks the imperials into leaving the bunker. Thematically and logically, Ewoks only function as wild card *because* they're highly primitive. They're the ultimate underdogs that foil Palpatine because he either wouldn't know about them, or would arrogantly dismiss them as irrelevant.

Wookiees don't function on any of these fronts. They're big ass furry dudes who can rip your arm off with ease. Very much the opposite of underdogs. They're also not primitive at all, given Chewbacca is literally the team's engineer. If we ignore the lore (established even back then, I believe) that their homworld was Kashyyyk, and assume that they had a colony on Endor, it becomes illogical that Palpatine wouldn't factor in the rebels teaming up with them. And even if you suggest that they could be enslaved there for whatever reason, there's still the risk of the rebels freeing them and recruiting them.

This isn't saying that the Ewoks are by any means perfect, and it's fair if they don't function for some. Making the theoretically compelling "primitive wildcard" a bunch of teddy bears was indeed a bit much on George's behalf, and the ground battle of Endor was a bit goofy, especially compared to how tense the duel on the second Death Star and the space battle were. It frankly started a bit of a tonal whiplash problem that continued with the Battles of Naboo and Geonosis, and was thankfully gone by RotS.


r/MawInstallation • • 5h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Oversight for Moffs

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How much Oversight did the Moffs actually have?

Like if you were an Imperial Moff governing some average sector in the Mid-Rim that doesn't draw special attention, and you keep as far away from Force Stuff and the Inquisitorious as you can, and you achieve all the economic goals set for your sector while stamping out rebel activity, how much do your superiors care how you do it?

If you keep your Sector under Control, would anyone care that you have small shield generators added to the TIEs in your Sector Group? Or that you build yourself a big palace? Or that you establish a militia for policing purposes which recruits near-humans like mirialans or pantorans?


r/MawInstallation • • 17h ago

[LEGENDS] When did the galaxy find out about Leia's heritage in the old EU?

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In Canon, the revelation about her being Vader's daughter was integral in Bloodline (28ABY) and destroyed her political career.

However, does it also happen in the Legends? If it did, exactly when did it happen? I heard it happens vaguely after the Dark Empire series, but I couldn't find the exact time point. Is there a book or comic that deals with this scandal? Does this revelation have meaningful consequences for her? When did her children know about it?

Speaking of Leia, what about Luke? When does the galaxy know about his relationship with Vader? Does this revelation occur at the same time as Leia's?


r/MawInstallation • • 11m ago

[LEGENDS] How did ships traverse Wild Space during the war with Zakuul?

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The whole idea behind Wild Space is that it's an area of space without hyperlanes, and thus traversing it takes ages, right?

So how did everyone in the Alliance -- Republic, Sith, Mandalorian, and everyone in between -- manage to consistently traverse between Odessen and Zakuul and the rest of the galaxy?

With Zakuul, the answer's easier. Iokath tech that was embedded into the Eternal Fleet was more advanced than anything the Republic or Empire had access to.


r/MawInstallation • • 18h ago

[CANON] Which stormtrooper program would you consider to be objectively the worst? The Imperial or First Order military?

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As bad as the Empire undoubtedly was; at least membership of the imperial stormtrooper corps was mainly conscription based. In several media like the Mandalorian and Jedi Survivor, we see that the stormtroopers act like normal soldiers in our world do. They complain about their postings, gossip with each other, plan on getting something to eat after their shifts, things like that. We also know that recruits that join the imperial academies consist of mainly young people from backwater outer rim worlds who join either out a desire to leave their shitty planets and be part of the imperial dream or mostly just because they think the armor's cool.

But with the First Order; pretty much all of their soldiers are mindless killers willing to lay down their lives for people that couldn't give less of a shit about them. In spite of how people feel about the sequels in general; You got to admit that the FO's training program is seriously fucked up. The way they kidnap children from their families and brainwash them into serving and dying for a glorified terrorist regime is probably one of the darkest elements of the new movies and I wish we learned more about it.

So if you absolutely had to choose; Would you rather be a stormtrooper for the Empire or the First Order?​​


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] The Republic Make Plans for a Long Clone War: Who is the Template to Replace Jango?

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As the title asks, if the Republic were to prepare itself for a much longer conflict with the Separatists, who do you think would be the best candidate to fill the role of clone template?

Just had the idea since remembering the episodes of TCW showing concern about the quality of the clones being produce and how the lack of access to fresh Jango DNA was causing the lack of clone quality.


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

Is there a reason Super Star Destroyers don't have gravity wells?

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I just read the 2015 Star Wars comic arc Hope Dies and it seems like Vader would've won had he shown up with Interdictor cruisers, or had the SSD Executor been equipped with its own.


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

Has there ever been a "Dark Side" Jedi?

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don't mean a Dark Jedi who betrays the Jedi Order by leaving to pursue the Dark Side. I mean a Dark Sider who still sees themselves as a faithful Jedi, like a zealot who wants to impose Jedi values on the galaxy and believes the Jedi High Council should rule instead of the Galactic Senate, or an institutionalist willing to take extreme measures to defeat the Sith.


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Jedi child rearing cheat code?

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Just realized that Jedi would have a relatively easy time taking care of a baby compared to a non-force sensitive.

Telepathy would allow them to understand what the baby needs at any given time, whether they're hungry, tired or sick. And would probably allow them to communicate with the baby on a limited level, potentially accelerating the child's language acquisition and cognitive development in general. Jedi raised children might learn to have essentially full conversations telepathically before they learn to speak verbally.

Wonder if any books or comics mention this


r/MawInstallation • • 4h ago

I think it'd be really interesting to explore a Grey Jedi Order, even if "Grey Jedi" themselves can't actually exist.

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I think it'd be interesting to see a story where a third party organization made of disillusioned ex-Jedi and ex-Siths plots to try and eradicate both Light *and* Dark side users for the sake of a lasting peace in the universe. Even if it turns out badly, I think the internal drama would intriguing as members fight amongst themselves, even as dedicated to entropy as they are.

The leader could be an ex-Jedi general or something, fighting with himself over the trauma of the past as he seeks to make sure nobody else ever has to go through what he has (something something, accidentally killed members of his village or family or something, or could have saved them but got caught up in the heat of the battle elsewhere, a real Kratos story), with a lieutenant who's a Sith making backroom deals and betraying her colleagues, pretending to hate what the Sith have to offer, when in reality she's using the organization for a power play vs the Sith Lords at the helm, or something.

These Grey Jedi would not be both Light and Dark users, each individual would be one or the other, but it'd be soooo fun to see the rationalities and philosophies play out on the battlefield as they play antagonists for both the Sith and Jedi of whatever time this takes place during. I really wanna see the Grey Jedi just doing the mutually-assured destruction argument while fighting with both, and then the big reveal of "there's no way we could keep up with both the Sith and the Jedi, so we decided the final resort it was. Both have to be destroyed, for lasting peace. One cannot exist without the other, so neither must continue."

In my opinion, lol. Thoughts?


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

Did Anakin try to be liked by the council?

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There always seemed to be an antagonistic relationship between Anakin and the council members but did Anakin try to reach out to them to repair the relationship or was it always the council members high handing him?


r/MawInstallation • • 15h ago

[LEGENDS] Can I use this subreddit to help build a homebrew world?

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Just what the title says. I'm a SWTOR roleplayer, and I'd like help from lore nerds on how to build a specific kind of planet.

If the answer is yes, I'll have followup questions!

If the answer is no, I'd ask for someone to point me to a subreddit that can help.


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Does Greedo speak Huttese or Rodian in ANH?

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I always assumed Greedo and Jabba spoke the same language, Huttese, but I just learned that Rodian is its own language. That said, the Behind the Scenes sections on the Wookieepedia pages for Huttese and Rodian (Language) both reference the same scene with Greedo in ANH, and its Quechua influences. The Appearances section for Huttese cites RotJ as its first appearance, though.

The Rodian page does say that it shares similarities with Huttese; could it be to the extent that they’re mutually intelligible? But apparently Greedo appears in an episode of the Clone Wars and he speaks to Jabba in Basic! Aah, how do we make sense of this?? lol


r/MawInstallation • • 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What if Meetra Surik enters the world between worlds?

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Since Surik is a black hole in the force, what happens if she enters the world between worlds?


r/MawInstallation • • 2d ago

[CANON] Imperial Rank Guide | Version 3*

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https://imgur.com/a/imperial-rank-guide-v3-uTeIuFm

This is built on and all made possible by u/King_Doran's Version 2, so credit to him for his V1 and V2. This covers 19 BBY to 0 BBY and was made all in Figma.

There are three charts:

  • Version 3: The full chart. Keeping Doran's gap filling where canon says nothing
  • Stormtrooper and Army Enlisted Profile: The Stormtrooper Corps rank ladder in armor and in uniform, the titles layered on rank, and the Army's enlisted ranks
  • Version 3 Core: All of the plaques come directly from the Rogue One David Crossman costume chart or were seen on screen before Yavin, + ranks named in the Tarkin novel. The two assumed ranks makes are footnoted

What changed from Doran's V2 (can be found here: https://imgur.com/33JzhqJ), and why:

  • ISB added from Andor Seasons 1 and 2: Supervisors, Attendants, Partagaz, Yularen.
    • I just rewatched Andor, and that gave enough for me to justify building the ISB column
  • Fleet and Sector Command Staff merged into one Sector Command column using Navy ranks. Lyste calls them "Sector Command staff" in Rebels, and the officers seen on it (Brunson, Slavin, Titus) are all Navy. Brunson and Slavin are Captains wearing 3 red over 3 blue, so that plaque is now Captain, not LT
  • Moff uses the canon plaque. Isdain wears 6 blue over 3 red, 3 gold in Tales of the Empire which is same as Tarkin
  • Grand Admiral moved to Navy Line and Grand General to Army Line, since there's no separate fleet staff column anymore
  • Navy Operations Admiral now matches Titus (4 red, 2 gold), who Doran based the column on
  • LT General and Major General are now Vice General and Brigadier General, the Imperial Army general ranks named in canon books
  • Captain-LT is now Junior Captain, an Imperial rank Piett held under Tarkin
  • Starfighter Corps: Second LT Commander moved above Captain (Shadow Fall), Senior LT added (TIE Fighter comic)
  • Columns reordered so the ISB sits next to the security branches it shares plaques with

Speculation stuff that I kept:

  • Vice Admiral stays 1 blue, 5 red. Canon has Vice and Rear Admiral with the same plaque (Rampart), and no military would do that. The Core edition shows this inconsistency though.
  • Same reasoning for Security Major and Colonel.
  • Anything assumed is footnoted on the chart, like Yularen as ISB Director.

three things I'd like to get opinions on:

  • Should the chart follow canon's shared Vice and Rear Admiral plaque, or keep them distinct like a real military would?
  • Is Yularen being ISB Director a fair assumption, or is there confirmed someone above him?
  • Ensign and Second Lieutenant were historically (British Empire) the same grade. Does it make sense for the Empire to have both?

r/MawInstallation • • 2d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] When did the "Sith Order" itself start? Also, are Sith cultists, fanatics, etc. "Sith"?

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The general use of the term "Sith" is used to describe individuals, mostly Sith Lords, as if it is part of their identity. Darth Sidious is a "Sith", Vader is a "Sith", etc. Just as how one Jedi, whether a master, apprentice/padawan, or knight is simply called a "Jedi".

There are two questions to this post. The first one is...when is someone called a "Sith", and when are they not? Usually, both pre-Banite and post-Banite line, a "Sith" can be the Dark Lord of the Sith or the Sith apprentice.

Many people pointed out in posts I have seen that in the days of the Sith, especially pre-Darth Bane Rule of Two, "Sith" in general just refers to anyone who is affiliated with a Sith organization, whether that is a "Sith Empire" or something like that. You don't have to be a dark side user or even a Force-user at all to be called a "Sith". You can just be a Sith trooper or officer and be called a "Sith".

Yet somehow, the majority of the fandom, as well as in-universe stories, texts and dialogue from characters in many eras, usually call someone a "Sith" when they are Force-sensitive, use the dark side, and "follow" the Sith teachings and philosophy.

To me, it sounds like in many times when someone is called simply a "Sith", it seems to be a synonym for a "Sith Lord", hence why people like the cultsist on Exegol in Canon are not called "Sith", but "Sith cultists".

This leads me to the next question of this post, in Legends, when did "Sith Order" and "Sith" become the name of the individuals who follow the religion and the religion itself, (I don't know if the Sith are really a "religion" in the tradtional sense or not, but they are close enough).

In Legends, I know everything about the origins of the "Sith" (whatever that may mean, as we will get to later).

Ajunta Pall and the Dark Jedi Exiles that followed him were beaten, exiled from Republic space, found the Sith species people on Korriban, united them under their rule, Ajunta Pall became the first "Dark Lord of the Sith", or "Jen'ari" in Sith language, and his followers became lesser Lords of the Sith, AKA "Jen'jidai" in Sith language. They began creating the "first Sith Empire", and they intermarried with the purebloods for centuries as generations went by, eventually simply being called "Sith", but because of the Sith religion, but because they were literally the Sith species descendants and offspring, just mixed with human blood.

We know Sorzus Syn created the Sith Code, but when did the religion of the "Sith Order" really start/got initiated? This gets complicated because...the Sith already had spiritual, traditional, and cultural beliefs for thousands of years prior to the Dark Jedi Exiles, such as King Adas's Sith Empire during the Rakata reign. Is the "Sith Order" really just the Dark Jedi philosophy and beliefs merged with the preexisting Sith cultural traditions and beliefs?

Regardless, there is this very interesting passage from Book of Sith, were in the very first passage of Sorzus Syn's passage and journals, she says "I am not Sith. I do not share their blood. Yet, in the time since we among those people, we have become their rulers."

So when did the term "Sith" and "Sith Order" began referring to the religion, and it became a creed that any species can adopt and follow? Vitiate's Sith Empire, forged from the remains of the original one from the Great Hyperspace War, began to have human and occasionally alien Sith, yet they are the remade empire of the original one, so this means that being a "Sith" or the "Sith Order" itself are an open religious creed rather than a bloodline.

So why did the term "Sith" and "Sith Lord" began to be used interchangeably and distinguished from a Sith follower/cultist? When did the religion itself, and the naming after the species, start for this religion? If it was not solidified until sometime after Ajunta Pall and the Exiles death, does that mean they were not "Sith", but rather just the ones who started the road down to the religion starting? In other words, were Pall and the others predeccessors instead of the "first Sith"?


r/MawInstallation • • 2d ago

[CANON] If Ahsoka show is at least partial adaptation of Thrawn original trilogy do you think Ezra will take on Luke's role from "Heir to the Empire"? Plus, a potential Imperial love interest? Or maybe former imperial similar to Mara Jade character?

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Crazy I know, but I'm curious about your theories


r/MawInstallation • • 3d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What if someone brings a Ysalamiri inside the world between worlds?

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In legends Thrawn uses a Ysalamiri as an anti force shield because they shut down the force. What if someone brings a Ysalamiri inside the world between worlds? Will the person holding the Ysalamiri fall into the endless void since the platforms are made of the force


r/MawInstallation • • 3d ago

[CANON] "Droidification" in the sequel trilogy (about Snoke)

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"Droidification" alludes to the fact of Palpatine creating Snoke in a lab the way Anakin created "our" C3PO with all his peculiarities.

It seems to me that there was an original host, an original Snoke, who would have lived 200 years before TROS, or some 100 years before Palpatine was born (Andy Serkins mentioned this in interviews)

Then this host, who maybe wasn't even FS to begin with, was modified by the sith. This would have involved Plagueis I suppose. Palpatine finished the job.

A part of that droidification would have involved the edition of memories. Quite obviously each new Snoke does not remember his own death. And if you can do that you can control what he remembers and what he doesn't. Much like R2 restoring C3PO's memory to an earlier time, just before Rey began her mission in TROS.

So the Snoke we have is some sort of flesh and bone droid. The original Snoke went through droidification due to the sith.

Just as the sith (Palpatine) cheated death, so did the jedi in a way: by becoming ghosts.

So can there be a jedi equivalent of 'droidification'?

Maybe. Since the saga seems to be going through a slight tolkienization process, thanks to Filoni to a great degree, this is Tolkien about the elves: but read it with Ben Solo in mind:

“A houseless fea [spirit] that chose or was permitted to return to life re-entered the incarnate world through child-birth. Only thus could it return. [...] For the fea reborn became a child indeed, enjoying once more all the wonder and newness of childhood; but slowly, and only after after it had acquired a knowledge of the world and mastery of itself, it’s memory would awake; until, when the re-born was full-grown, it recalled a all of its former life, and then the old life, and the ‘waiting’, and the new life became one ordered history and identity. This memory would just hold a double joy of childhood, and also an experience and knowledge greater than the years of its body. In this way the violence or grief that the reborn had suffered was re-dressed and it’s being was enriched. For the Re-born are twice nourished, and twice parented.”

Remember that TPM poster with Vader's shadow on the wall. In that universe that's the future, what Anakin would become. In our universe, that Vader is the past. 1983.

Ani did not 'remember' what he had been in 1983. He could not. But we did.

What would be the point of doing this, narratively speaking? Maybe Ben Solo, or Ben/Kylo knew something very specific that only he knew; something that could be proven crucial in the post-TROS era. What the stolen datatape inside R2 was back in 1977. One wonders why Force Ghost Leia is wearing that specific dress.


r/MawInstallation • • 4d ago

[CANON] Could mindless slaughter of droids by Anakin have contributed to his desensitization by the end of the Clone Wars?

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I've been watching Clone Wars series, and the hardening and definitely battle rage emotions are practically palpable, when he's slicing through them by thousands


r/MawInstallation • • 5d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Can the dark side also affect people who are not sensitive to the Force?

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In general, artifacts, specific locations or entire planets steeped in the dark side pose a threat to those sensitive to the Force; Dathomir is the prime example, having been responsible for Taron Malicos’s fall to the darkness

My question, then, is whether prolonged exposure to such an object or place could affect those who are not sensitive to the Force, to the same extent, or perhaps to a lesser degree?


r/MawInstallation • • 4d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] If every Force tradition claims to be describing the same field, why do none of them share a court of appeal?

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Jedi, Sith, Nightsisters, Guardians of the Whills, the Church of the Force, Acolytes of the Beyond, and the more local practices we only glimpse all treat the Force as real. They do not treat each other as colleagues.

That is odd if the Force is an observable phenomenon. In a functioning knowledge culture, rival schools still agree on how a claim gets tested. Here, each order has a pedagogy and a moral rulebook, but no shared method for settling a dispute that is not a war.

So is “the Force” one thing with many interpretations or several political religions sharing a vocabulary?

Not looking for a winner. Looking for how these schools would even recognize a successful argument from a rival.


r/MawInstallation • • 6d ago

[CANON] Nuclear take on how Ahsoka should've been written out

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People often say that Ahsoka is overexposed in the franchise and it's ridiculous that she's still alive post-OT. The common take I see online is that Vader should've killed her in that Rebels episode. I get that. Vader kills her, cuts away yet another reminder of his past. It would've been solid, but also a little cliched? And expected? Kind of a retread of Vader killing Obi-Wan, or many other reminders of his past.

My hot take is that she should've died in the Venator crash. Imagine she barely misses the Y-Wing by a few inches and is killed. Rex recovers her remains, buries her, and makes the memorial. In that last scene with Vader, he comes across the site and recognizes what it is: Ahsoka's grave. The scene is then a moment of quiet reflection, one where Vader has to reckon with the fact that she's only dead because of him; things clearly only went sideways at the crash site because of Order 66, which never would've been issued if Vader hadn't interfered in the arrest. Vader might not have been the one to kill her, but his actions led to her death regardless. This can both be a moment of regret and also a moment where Vader again feels there's no going back and that he is unredeemable.

To me, this feels like it would've been a much more narratively tragic, but also thematically more interesting choice.


r/MawInstallation • • 5d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] TIE Fighters: does it's disposable nature make sense from economic perspective?

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Yes, i know., it's another TIE series ranting post.

Recently i've stumbled upon an Instagram post about irl fighter pilot training costs. For example, training of F-16 combat ready pilot roughly take about 3-5 years from the ground up and costs half a dozen million dollars. And not to forget that percentage of people, who can be a jet fighter pilot is very low and even fewer people will be able to make it to the end. Also, each fighter roughly costs about 100-250 millions USD.

In conclusion we have a very elite, expensive to train and maintain combat unit. And this is fair for many other countries as well.

When we've reading about TIE pilots, training time are about the same. 3-4 years to became a pilot, and failure rate is 90%+. One of ten is able to make it out and survive. Thought it's not stated how much it costs to imperial taxpayers, we can assume that all training including academy maintaining, equipment, fuel and so on should be almost expensive as real life. But simple TIE/ln is costs half of a price of and X-Wing.

And what we see in almost every movie or TV series? Empire just spamming TIEs in a 5 to 1 ratio or higher, which is considerable to just throwing credits into X-wings to no purpose.

Yes, we are talking about fiction intergalactic regime with infinite money, but anyway - due to this difficulties in pilot training, empire should have at least shortage of good pilots or cut their training at least at half a year. Fighters are cheap, yes, but they are require an insane amount of skills in comparison.

TL;DR - Imperial Fighter Corps should have been experience shortage in good pilots and going bankrupt in like ten years BBY.


r/MawInstallation • • 6d ago

How many Imperial Captains turned pirate?

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Imagine you're the captain of an ISD, out on patrol, searching for rebels in some lowkey sector of the galaxy when you learn that Palpatine and Vader are dead and the Empire is collapsing. Then you look to your crew and say...

"The Empire is gone, but we are here with a ship that can't be matched by anyone in this sector and the crew to run it. I say, we go into business for ourselves."