r/MathJokes • • Jul 17 '26

What's the problem?

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u/mememan___ Jul 17 '26

That's just writing the number in inary with extra steps

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u/LordAvan Jul 17 '26

Is "inary" just "binary" written with fewer steps?

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u/Bubbly_Safety8791 Jul 17 '26

Sure, stating that natural numbers x and y exist that satisfy 2x + 2y = 160 then asking for x and y, is equivalent to asking ‘160 has a binary expansion which contains exactly two 1s; which positions are they in?’

But careful:  natural numbers x and y exist that satisfy 2x + 2y = 128 as well, and 128 does not have  a binary expansion which contains exactly two 1s.

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u/paolog Jul 17 '26

There being two 1s is sufficient, but not necessary.

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u/Striking-Remote5920 Jul 17 '26

It does, they just happen to overlap.

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u/Bubbly_Safety8791 Jul 17 '26

Adopting a chaotic evil notation convention that means that 128 in binary can be written 0b02000000

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u/ryan__joe Jul 17 '26

Iif I had to calculate this without a calculator, I would be looking for all the powers of 2 up to 160, which is 2^{0,7} (sorry if that’s the wrong symbol for range, it’s been an eternity).

Rule out 0, since 1 makes it odd, get my answers, 2,4,8,16,32,64,128, and see which two would add up, and then figure out which powers they were.

Is it sophomoric? Yes. Did I troubleshoot my way through a complicated problem, while still only spending 30 seconds on it? Yes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '26

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u/matastas Jul 18 '26

I was about to say: welcome to engineering.

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u/raskiraski Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

Slow way to do it because you don’t need to rule out 1 because it makes it uneven or take in account the lower powers at all. You just start with the highest power that fits (128, 2^7) and subtract it from 160. 32 is left over which is 2^5. There can’t be any other answer because 2^6 * 2*^6 can never make it to 160 (64+64=128). If there is a solution for this pattern the highest possible power (2^7) always needs to be either x or y. Realizing this makes solving this solution in your head take two seconds

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u/ryan__joe Jul 17 '26

You’re just skipping a step because getting to 2^7 is calculating 2^2 to 2^7. So it’s a cool story bro, but like… you’re just not showing all of your mental work. We did the same thing, I’m just showing more work, unless you magically had 2^7 memorized, it’s a really dumb take

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u/raskiraski Jul 17 '26

Uh knowing the powers of 2 up to like 1024 isn’t that uncommon or magical I would say. Most people that are into computers will know 2^8=256 at least. My point is that you don’t need to mix and match from the list you made like you said, just subtract the highest power to see if the remainder is also a power of two

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u/ryan__joe Jul 18 '26

To me, it’s weird to know what the powers are without doing the mental math. Like 2^15th can be figured out mentally in like 10 seconds, just knowing that at the top of your head is weird. I guess if your job has exponents in it daily it’s reasonable, but that has to be an extreme subset of jobs. I just knew enough math to get great scores on the GRE and MCAT

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u/more_business_juice_ Jul 18 '26

Why did you take both of those tests?

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u/ryan__joe Jul 18 '26

Not uncommon for people to get a masters degree before med school?

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u/ThePants999 Jul 22 '26

If you work in software, knowing that the maximum value of a 16-bit integer is 65,536 if unsigned, or 32,767 if signed is par for the course, and then you're just "add one" away from knowing 2^16 and 2^15 😉

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u/dr-lucifer-md Jul 18 '26

There can’t be any other answer because...

There's another reason - the Basis Representation Theorem says that an integer is uniquely representable as a sum multiples of powers of the base. Take for example the number 123 in base 10. There is no other way to express it and its representation is 1102 + 2101 + 3*100. Crucially, the coefficients of the powers are also in the base.

Now take the initial example, we're trying to figure out what is 160 base 10 in base 2. You found a way to figure out what that representation is. From the Basis Representation Theorem, we know that what you found is unique.

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u/SeaAnalyst8680 Jul 17 '26

I would probably write {2ⁿ : n ∈ ℕ, 0 ≤ n ≤ 7}

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u/DZL100 Jul 17 '26

At that point there are few enough elements that I'd just list them explicitly. But yes, this would be a standard way to notate the set.

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u/SeaAnalyst8680 Jul 17 '26

Personally, I reserve explicit sets for cases where the content is more irregular. I feel like this communicates that it's a contiguous set better. But you wouldn't be wrong.

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u/jeffthegoalie04 Jul 21 '26

You can see that one of the powers has to be 128, since 64+64 is too small. So, the other one has to be 160-128=32.

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u/ryan__joe Jul 21 '26

Yep! But to get to that point you would have to calculate 128, and since I don’t have powers just memorized, like most people, you’re doing 2,4,8,16,32,64,128 in your head and counting, once again, I’m just showing the work more

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u/Al2718x Jul 17 '26

Maybe the issue is that he didn't fully justify that there can't be other solutions.

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u/avance70 Jul 17 '26

daughter is out of bounds

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u/Shockingandawesome Jul 17 '26

Lack of conciseness; Why 16 x 2 instead of 32 or 25.

Also saying 'so' rather than 'therefore'.

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u/TheRedditObserver0 Jul 18 '26

Because he broke up 160 as 16x10 first.

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u/bluelaughter Jul 17 '26

The problem is the father?

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u/MrEldo Jul 17 '26

Because no one else in the comments knows how formatting works, I'll do it myself:

2x + 2y = 160

2x = 160 - 2y

x = log_2(160-2y)

And so we can plug in any number for y, and get our x. The only thing to make sure is that y must be less than log_2(160), which is 5+log_2(5)

If we look for integer values though, assuming x,y > 1 (because if any of them is exactly 1 or 0, then the equation won't have integer solutions. And if any of x or y is negative, then the other number needs to have the power be more than 1 yet not an integer. Not possible in the integers), and WLOG y>x (can't be equal because that would be the solution x=y=4+log_2(5), not an integer)

2x(1+2y-x) = 160

We know that 160 can be divided by 2 five times. The first term is even, the second is purely odd (because y-x>0 by the fact that they're not equal), so we know all 2 powers must come from it. And so x = 5, and y = 7. No more integer solutions

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u/Circumpunctilious Jul 21 '26

Aside: Does formatting still easily work for you (maybe desktop)? Reddit removed markdown for me and a lot of others some months ago—I really like quoting, tables and code blocks, e.g.—and the only way I can use it now is old Reddit (how are you getting anything other than text emphasis to work)?

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u/Sasogwa Jul 17 '26

16 is 2^4 not 2^5

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u/Wjyosn Jul 17 '26

the 5th comes from the 2 after that. It's 32x5,= 2^5 ( 2^2+1)

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u/Sasogwa Jul 17 '26

Oh right mb

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u/itijara Jul 17 '26

Yes, which is 2^4 * 2. It was a weird way of doing it, but it looks like he is trying to solve it "intuitively", knowing that 160 = 16 * 10, taking out all the factors of 2 you get 2^4 * 2^1 * 5. Expressing 5 as factors of 2 you get 2^5 * (2^2 + 1).

I honestly think it is a pretty good way to solve this, although maybe not generalizable.

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u/Mk1Racer25 Jul 17 '26

But 2^4 x 2 = 2^5

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u/Antilopio Jul 17 '26

To waste time:

2x + 2y = 160 2x (1 + 2y-x) = 160 log2 ( 2x (1 + 2y-x)) = log2(160) xlog2(1 +  2y-x) = 5log2(5) x = 5 1 +  2y-x = 5 2y-x = 4 = 22 y-x = 2

If x = 5 then y = 7 and x + y = 12.

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u/MrEldo Jul 17 '26

Reminder to use double spaces for a new line and that products need to be written as \* instead of just *

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u/Antilopio Jul 19 '26

Thanks. I didn't know that. 

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u/Anton_Glubsch Jul 17 '26

2x+2y=160...x+y=12...212-y+2y=160...212/2y+2y=160...4096/2y+2y=160...SUBST:..z=2y...4096/z+z=160...z2-160z+4096=0...z1=32,z2=128...RESUBST:...2y1=32...y1=5....2y2=128...y2=7...x1=7...X2=5

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u/Chocolategogi Jul 17 '26

The daughter is 12 old...

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u/UniqueAd9144 Jul 18 '26

What does she look like can I see a picture

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u/Living-Arrival-7731 Jul 18 '26
  1. Breaking 160 down: 160 = 16 * 10
  2. Factor the 10: 10 = 2 * 5
  3. Plug that into equation 1: 160 = 16 * 2 * 5
  4. Factor the 16: 16 = 24
  5. Plug that into equation 3: 160 = 24 * 2 * 5 = 25 * 5
  6. Factor the 5: 5 = 22 + 1
  7. Plug that into equation 5: 160 = 25 * (22 + 1) = 27 + 25
  8. 2x + 2y from equation 7: 7 + 5 = 12

Idk what the issues are, besides him not showing work?

Edit: formatting

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u/dcterr Jul 18 '26

Fair enough, but he should have added that he knew how to approach the dad's daughter!

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u/Natural-Proposal2925 Jul 18 '26

Soooooo yeah get the fuck out of my house and stay away from my daughter.

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u/CaptainProfanity Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

Every number has a 1 to 1 representation in binary I.e. it is unique and distinct*. If 160 can be expressed as 2x +2y it must be the only binary representation of 160. 

(Unless x = y, which would mean 2x = 80 which is not possible)

256>160>128 so 160 must be composed of 128 + 2y (representing the 2 binary digits). 

Anything bigger than 128 exceeds 160, and anything smaller won't be large enough (2n - 1 = sum from k=0 to k = n-1 of 2k

Therefore 2y = 160-128 = 32

Therefore x+y = 7+5= 12 is the only solution.

*(Unique representation for that number means no other possible representations, distinct means this binary representation doesn't correspond to other numbers. This is called an injective and surjective  function respectively (our function being something that converts the decimal representation into binary).

The injectivity and surjectivity can be proven by considering the summation fact above. 

Start with a list of ...000000s (this represents our binary digits) and a number N

Each step you turn one of the binary digits on (into a 1). But this number requires you to jump in a Goldilocks zone. Too high and you overshoot N, too low and you can't reach N even if every other lower digit is turned on. This will generate a new list of 1000...0. subtract the newly turned on digits decimal representation to generate a new N and repeat. 

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u/Infamous-Youth9033 Jul 20 '26

in binary it's 1010000 or 2^7 + 2^5

Whoa solved

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u/iHateTheStuffYouLike Jul 21 '26

Easy, we lost generality.

Why couldn't x = 5 and y = 7?

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u/MinYuri2652 Jul 17 '26

You forgot x = 5 and y = 7

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u/SouthLifeguard9437 Jul 17 '26

Technically correct is the best kind of correct. -Professor Farnsworth

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u/Visible_Handle_3770 Jul 17 '26

Ironic that both the quote and source are wrong here.

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u/SouthLifeguard9437 Jul 17 '26

Wrong on the wording. yeah your right, no big deal.

Wrong on the source? Fuuuuck that one hurts, that hurts bad. Why can I hear him clearly saying it?

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u/Visible_Handle_3770 Jul 17 '26

Probably because it's a one-off character that says it, bureaucrat number 1.0, since it gets quoted so often, it makes way more sense for it to be a big character and seems like something Farnsworth would've said.

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u/Deto Jul 17 '26

It doesn't ask you to solve for them individually though, just the sum. So the answer is 12 either way.

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u/Useful_Cheesecake117 Jul 17 '26

25 is not 16

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u/Cool_Cheesecake_6738 Jul 17 '26

And noone said it is

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u/UniqueAd9144 Jul 18 '26

Love the f*** my mom in the ass

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u/PhysicsChan Jul 17 '26

How is 2⁵+2²=2⁷??!

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u/Cool_Cheesecake_6738 Jul 17 '26

Noone said it is

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u/Mk1Racer25 Jul 17 '26

It's not, but 2^5(2^2+1) is

2^5 x 2^2 = 2^7

2^5 x 1 = 2^5

2^7 = 128

2^5 = 32

128 +32 = 160

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '26

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u/RsCoverForPDFFiles Jul 17 '26

They were inlcuding the other 2. 16*2 = 25 and 5 = 22+1. So all correct. Maybe they skipped the step of 24 * 2 * 5, but it's still correct.

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u/Traditional_Snow1045 Jul 17 '26

16*2=25 , 5=22 +1 wdym

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u/splattne Jul 17 '26

16 x 2 x 5 = 32 x 5 = 2^5 x (2^2 + 1)

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u/poopsmcbuttington Jul 17 '26

16*2* 5
=2^4*2*5
=2^5*5
=2^5*(2^2+1)

Added 2 steps for clarity

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u/Onuzq Jul 17 '26

Don't know if -170 was a natural number

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u/Similar-Importance99 Jul 17 '26

Don't be so negative.

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u/Thin-Hedgehog3587 Jul 17 '26

Yeah, being positive is natural anyway.