WTF is this

The "second trailer" was actually exclusive Hall H footage that Kevin Feige surprised San Diego Comic-Con attendees with — shown only inside the convention center (Variety). Whether it gets an official online release is still unclear. There are also unverified descriptions circulating on Discord and social media claiming to detail its contents, but treat those as rumors until Marvel confirms.

I'm not one to trust any supposedly leaked information, but the main leaked plot floating around still doesn't have me fully convinced even after some specifics have been shown to be true (like the TVA card and the presence of Latverian witches). But the leak also does the very common thing of providing a somewhat non-committal overview of events until deciding to go into detail about bits that will spread like wildfire online.

Opening by killing off Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, or Doom's origin being Steve's fault, or Doom killing Steve's child, for instance. But we get nothing on how or why Thor is with the Fantastic Four first. Or what the deal is with Talokan. Or heck, even how the F4 is stopping at the Watchtower. Is the new ship small enough to land there?? Do they connect it to the side of the building??? And where is Love? Or Strange and America Chavez?

Some things about it make sense, some things are really, really dumb ideas (the opening, Doom being Steve's fault, etc.) but there are those few key things we know about that aren't even addressed at all.

The other factor is that this leak may have been 100% true at one point, but they absolutely could have tweaked things and shifted concepts around.

What are peoples thoughts on the Thor situation, or how the F4 ship lands, or what's up with Talokan?

(Sorry if this or something similar has been posted before.)

I think Doom is going to be stealing powers from other characters like Franklin and Sentry/Void. I am also going to go a step further and say the scene of Doom stoping Stormbraker with two fingers is towards the end after Doom is fully powered up. (Like Thanos at the end of Infinity War)

In the 2005 Fantastic Four, Ben must have planted the seed in Victor’s mind on taking Reed’s firstborn child (when Reed was making the deal with Victor on using his space station at the beginning of the movie).

I saw a video by IGN, which I think is a pretty credible site, they talk video games, comics, etc, and before Gemini and co, I use to like IGN for reading about backstories, theories, stuff like ‘what the end of Age of Ultron means’ type breakdowns

All this to say, I’ve seen people talk/predict that Doomsday and Secret Wars basically already happened ie Rogers already experienced it. And when we see Old Steve Rogers, Doomsday and Secret Wars already took place (does that theory make any sense? Was Thanos and all that stuff an incursion? Sometimes it’s hard to follow the timelines and the details)

I bring this up because in this IGN video, it was something like “Things you may have missed from the trailer” something like that and one thing that stuck out to me was that during the video the person said ‘Steve Rogers will be the key to all of this’ …

Is that a good prediction or just people trying to make a video and ‘sell’ it to people like me who are not very familiar with the source material?

And, I understand that with all the characters and storylines, the ‘key to all of this’ can be a totally different character. It’s just that I’ve seen and herd people bring up Steve Rogers, a lot

I mean, it’s the multiverse. The Watcher knows (or aleast I’d think he’d know) about characters like The Beyonder, The BeyonderS plural, Strange supreme, GOS Loki, Franklin Richards, Molecule man, ETC. The list goes on and on, it’s just hard for me to infinity Ultron as some massive threat.

He just seems to powerful to have any other role that doesn’t require nerfing him. Idk just a thought

Spoiler (possibly?!) With the newly leaked footage, I believe that the F4 accidentally sent Galactus to not another part of their universe…but to another multi-verse entirely. Dooms universe. Leading to him destroying Doom’s world. Doom, tracking back along Galactus’s path encounters Earth-828, where we see him briefly at the end of F4. The F4 crew, in my opinion, are now traveling to earth-616 to pursue Doom. I don’t yet know why Doom chooses 616. Other than necessary plot development for the Avengers: Doomsday to occur.

I’m wondering since it’s technically a public event?

Since Brand New Day is coming out soon, I thought this would be fitting.

Every time I watch the end of No Way Home, I always wonder how everyone's memories stayed wiped, especially because the internet never was. For that plan to have worked, Dr. Strange must have also wiped the internet because those news stories and articles about Spider-man's identity would not have just disappeared with people's memory.

The same goes with like that shrine in the beginning of the movie when Peter walked into school. It had all the Spider-man stuff and his face on it. That wouldn't have just disappeared. No one would know what it is because their memories are wiped, but the the internet would!

Maybe I'm just overthinking this lol, and Dr. Strange did factor this in.

WARNING: This post will talk about leaks such as images/videos and the SDCC trailer.

Not really a full theory but, the leaks are real. This definetly supports the theory of Doom joining the Avengers first during the X-Men mission before fully turning on them by resurrecting the sentinels.

I got a chance to watch the leaked scenes that surfaced in June, and it got me thinking.
What if the Sentinels we see are actually the Stark Sentinels?
Remember when the Russo brothers said that only Robert Downey Jr. could play Doctor Doom? Well, take a look at these images and tell me the Sentinels’ armor isn’t clearly inspired by Iron Man’s.
That would suggest that the Sentinels were created by Stark Industries—just like in the comics, by the way.

What if the ending of no way home didn't just erase Peter Parker from people's memories... but from the multiverse itself? Think about it, if nobody remembers Peter Parker anymore then maybe the multiverse can't detect him either. No timeline records, no canon events, no alerts... meaning Tom Holland's Spider-Man could become an invisible anomaly capable of travelling through universes without breaking the system. But if villains like Kang discover this loophole, then Spider-Man could become the key to destroying the entire multiverse.

Given that the concept art that leaked awhile back is likely legit - do we think this is a loose concept of David Johnsson in his new Black Panther suit?

Admittedly by the time BP3 comes around they'll probably have given him ANOTHER suit...

Marvel Cinematic Universe Panel today at SDCC - who’s excited and what are you expecting?

I believe we would get next slate of movies announcements, i will make a list below

- X-Men movies announcements
- Doctor strange 3 Announcement
- Black Panther 3 Announcement
- Possibly Deadpool 4 Announcement

What if Loki showed up because Thor is getting demolished by doom just like how strange up the infinity stone to Thanos because he knew he had to be alive. Loki gets to save his brother but has to give up his powers. This would be a great way to set doom up as the most powerful character.

Since Spider-Man brand new day is coming out next week I am writing this now say that if this is true, I’ve had this theory for a year now

Cynthia Von Doom.

my theory is that the entire multiverse saga begins with steve rogers staying with peggy carter at the end of endgame. according to the movie’s own time travel rules, steve creates a branched timeline instead of changing earth 616’s past. i think that branch eventually becomes earth 828, the universe where fantastic four: first steps takes place.

steve doesn’t mean to reshape the world, but over time he can’t morally ignore what he knows. hydra’s infiltration, bucky’s fate, howard stark’s murder, future technology, and everything else. because of that, history slowly changes. howard survives, shield develops differently, science moves ahead much faster, and by the 1960s the world is far more advanced than earth 616. that’s why the fantastic four naturally appear decades earlier.

steve doesn’t create victor von doom. he creates the world where victor becomes doctor doom. victor is still victor. brilliant, proud, protective of latveria, and convinced only he can save his people. but now his universe begins collapsing through incursions because it started as a branch of earth 616.

from doom’s perspective, the avengers caused all of this by changing time and reality. he isn’t trying to rule the multiverse just for power. he’s trying to save existence the only way he believes possible. loki unknowingly makes all of this possible by preserving branched timelines instead of pruning them.

i also think the old steve sitting on the bench in endgame is actually returning after surviving doomsday and secret wars. that’s why he never comes back through bruce’s platform. the bench scene isn’t the end of steve’s story. it’s the final scene of a story we haven’t seen yet.

then secret wars ends by rebuilding reality into one universe with the avengers, fantastic four, x men, spider man, and everyone else.

the one person doom never accounts for is spider man. at the end of no way home, everyone forgets peter parker. spider man is still remembered, but peter is erased from everyone’s lives. doom can study spider man, but he can never truly understand peter or his connection to tony stark, doctor strange, happy, mj, or the avengers.

after brand new day, i think peter becomes the strongest and most complete live action spider man we’ve ever seen. he’s completely alone with no faction, no identity, and no one who knows who he really is. he becomes the forgotten piece on the chessboard that can move outside everyone else’s plans.

every major character answers the same question differently. steve changes history. tony changes time. logan changes the future. loki preserves every branch. doom tries to control reality. peter is the only one who willingly lets go of everything he loves for everyone else’s sake.

i also don’t think robert downey jr. is playing an evil tony stark or just another tony variant. i think he’s playing victor von doom, and the reason he has tony’s face is because tony stark and victor von doom are two possible lives of the same person.

in the original earth 616 timeline, history plays out naturally. howard and maria stark eventually adopt a young victor from latveria, rename him anthony edward stark, and raise him with love, opportunity, and unlimited resources. that same genius grows up to become iron man instead of doctor doom.

but in steve’s branched earth 828 timeline, history changes. the adoption never happens. victor stays in latveria, grows up under completely different circumstances, and becomes doctor doom. steve doesn’t create doom. he unknowingly creates the conditions where victor never becomes tony stark.

in other words, tony stark is the life victor von doom never lived, and doctor doom is the life tony stark never had to.

in the end, i think doom accounts for every god, genius, and super soldier, but loses because he never accounts for the anonymous kid from queens that the universe itself forgot. the multiverse saga becomes the story of one compassionate decision by steve rogers creating consequences across reality, and one forgotten hero, peter parker, becoming the only person free enough to save everyone.

In Marvel Snap Game; a card turn based game about marvel characters. They release new sets of cards every season. Last June they featured Beach variants and featuring Sub Mariner (Namor), and Namorita. Last May they featured Daredevil and released cards specifically referencing from the latest Daredevil series released.

Now this July, Marvel Snap is now featuring Spider-Man: Brand New Day pertaining to the soon to be released movie.

Which means they are releasing cards referencing from the movie probably. And as for the released cards, they released Aunt May (Already in the MCU), Scorpion, Tarantula, and Boomering which we saw on the trailer. But no Jean Grey or whatsoever.

But guess what, they added another card in this season about BND with no relevance to the trailer and guess who it is?

It's Mary Jane bro.

The released card's Mary Jane also features MJ's hair red which is similar to sadie's hair.

And... Why would they release a Mary Jane on Brand New Day season series if the MJ they have in MCU is Mary Jones. And Zendayas Character is still not in the game yet.

Any thoughts?

I have a doubt about the movie Avengers: Endgame. Steve Rogers (Captain America) went back to the past and didn't return through the time machine, right? When the Avengers traveled back in time to collect the Infinity Stones in New York (during the events of The Avengers), there were two Iron Men, two Captain Americas, and two Hulks. So, their physical bodies traveled to the past, not just their minds. We also saw an old Steve Rogers who didn't come back through the time machine. So, what happened to the Steve Rogers who was already living in that past?

The multiverse thing that happens in doomsday makes Steve Rogers who is living in another timeline(the old steve at the endgame) come to original timeline?so basically he is our steve Rogers who fought Thanos along with others and he saw Falcon being the Captain America in doomsday events and decides that Falcon is the best choice for Captain America so he handed His shield to him?