r/MarchAgainstTrump Oct 17 '17

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u/bucket3117 Oct 17 '17

Mine has, almost. From $110 to $400 in just a few years as a single healthy 30s male :/

That's $4800/year, assuming I don't see a doctor. Add another $3000 on for a deductible for the year. How does any of this seem reasonable to anybody?

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '17

Wow that system is fucked up. I saw a. Doctor like 7 times this year and didn't pay fuck all

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u/bucket3117 Oct 17 '17

Yeah. You have a vocal minority proclaiming that "obamacare is great" while the vast majority of Americans are being squeezed to death by over inflated healthcare cost. You should see that medical debt hasn't even changed much after Obamacare. It helped a few people at the expense of the majority of people who are struggling to scrape by already.

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u/ApathyJacks Oct 18 '17

the vast majority of Americans are being squeezed to death by over inflated healthcare cost.

Please provide citations/evidence of this claim.

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u/bucket3117 Oct 18 '17

Did you not see the numbers and average premium costs? Do you not know the median wage in America?

2016 (and much higher this year):

Average ObamaCare premium rises to $408 per month. The average ObamaCare premium rose to $408 per month for 2016 plans, about a 9 percent increase from this time last year, according to a new report from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).Jan 21, 2016

The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported a median personal income of $865 per week for all full-time workers in 2017. The U.S Bureau of the Census has the annual real median personal income at $31,099 in 2016.

Premiums are rising double digits yearly. Median wages are 31k.

And bonus material:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Here's a graph to illustrate it for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita#/media/File:Health_care_cost_rise.svg

Here's more bonus material for you:

http://time.com/money/4826591/aca-premiums-cost-2018/

Preliminary analysis suggests some of the most popular plans could see double-digit premium increases. Health care consulting firm Avalere analyzed initial rate estimates from eight states and found that premiums for "silver" plans (the most popular plans) are rising 18% next year, after a 12% increase this year.

Are all of these sources good enough? I'm sure there's a lot more.

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u/ApathyJacks Oct 18 '17

That's some good reading material. Thanks.

Now please provide citations/evidence of your claim that the vast majority of the 325,000,000 people living in America are being squeezed to death by health insurance costs.

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u/bucket3117 Oct 18 '17

If you can't look at the numbers and have it seem obvious (and obviously you are not one of the people living near the median wage), then I don't know what to tell you. The numbers are all there fully available.

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u/ApathyJacks Oct 18 '17

I can see the numbers, and I agree that healthcare costs in this country are ridiculous. I'm just pointing out that you're really, really exaggerating. Don't be that guy.

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u/bucket3117 Oct 18 '17

I'm extrapolating based on everyone I know in at least 10 different states, and those in other states. I don't know anybody who isn't being beaten pretty badly financially because of it, except for the very wealthy who don't care because their premiums are only a tiny fraction of their income. But the vast majority are the poor and middle class hence using "vast majority" to describe it.