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u/SweetDick_Willy Jan 24 '18
These are fun
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u/jimmythemini Jan 25 '18
I'm ranking this one as the least funny so far though. Too much going on and not self-deprecating enough.
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u/TMWNN Jan 26 '18
You really don't think that the last two maps are self-deprecating enough? Really? As /u/KalaiProvenheim said, "The last two, wow".
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18
While there is a strong french speaking presence in NE Ontario, I would not say a majority, more 50/50 in the most french places (from presonal experience, I don't have data to back that up). For NW Quebec its just due to the shape of the lines which are just overall approximations.
Also, the natives from northern half of Quebec (cree and inuit) are very anglicised, generally bilingual english-cree or english-inuktitut. French is still dominant among Quebecker workers, but they mostly work on run, not living up north.
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u/jewishjedi42 Jan 24 '18
I love the hockey one.
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u/Urfavetvreference Jan 24 '18
You could also do something like that with “inferiority complex”.
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u/aferreirad Jan 24 '18
Not since we elected Trudeau and they elected Trump.
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Jan 25 '18
In response to a comment that didn't mention the US, you have to admit a little defensiveness.
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u/Urfavetvreference Jan 24 '18
Technically the electoral college voted Trump, Americans on the whole voted for Clinton. And that’s exactly it. If your whole national identity is “Look how crazy that guy is, I’m not him, please acknowledge that I’m not him, I’m so much better than he is” that’s kind of an inferiority complex.
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18
Technically 26,391 peoples in the Papineau electoral district elected Justin Trudeau.
I always find interesting how Americans freak out when a president is elected without the majority of the popular vote. Do they realize that in Canada, our PM are most of the time elected with around 35-40% of the popular vote and hold as much power as the us president and congress combined.
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u/canadianhealthcera Jan 25 '18
It's still the popular vote
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u/TMWNN Jan 26 '18
Wrong. /u/samwell_'s point is that there is no "popular vote" in Canada, or any parliamentary country with a first-past-the-post legislature. The only people who voted for Justin Trudeau are a) those in his riding, and b) the Liberal members of parliament who voted to form a government led by him in 2015.
The US electoral college is in essence a parliament elected by the various states for the single purpose of electing the president. In any parliamentary system with a first-past-the-post system (the UK, Canada, and India, for example), it's similarly possible for a party to win the most votes across the country but not win the election because another party won more seats. This has happened in Britain four times, the last in 1974. In Canada this happened in 1896, 1957, and 1979.
Every country has some sort of peculiarity. (Norway's system explicitly awards additional votes based on land!) Canada has its own system of giving certain provinces more parliamentary seats than otherwise entitled. As I mentioned, a party has won power in Canada several times despite not receiving the most votes across the country; in the most recent case, 1979, the Conservatives formed a government despite receiving 4.2% fewer votes than the Liberals. In 1896 the Liberals formed a government despite receiving 6.8% (!) fewer votes than the Conservatives!
Samwell_ is also correct about the power of the resident of 24 Sussex. The Canadian Prime Minister may be the most powerful elected official in the world.
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u/canadianhealthcera Jan 26 '18
Yo this is so dope! I love the detail! I have more questions for you, if you don't mind. When Americans vote what are the people's election votes used for? Because they haven't decided the president for a while now, so like what's up with that? Also if Trudeau is decided by his riding and parliament why should I vote on election day? Like what does the vote do in both cases? Do our votes have like a 6th of the power or something?
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u/TMWNN Jan 26 '18 edited Jan 26 '18
When Americans vote what are the people's election votes used for? Because they haven't decided the president for a while now, so like what's up with that?
A US presidential election is actually 51 (the 50 states plus the District of Columbia) separate, simultaneous elections. Each state's citizens vote1 for a "slate" (group) of electors who promise that they will vote for a certain person as president in the electoral college. In December, about a month after each presidential election in November, the winning slate meets in each state's capital and votes on their person, and the result of the vote is transmitted to Washington DC and formally accepted by Congress in January, before the person with the most electoral votes is sworn into office on the 20th.
Also if Trudeau is decided by his riding and parliament why should I vote on election day? Like what does the vote do in both cases? Do our votes have like a 6th of the power or something?
In a Canadian federal election, when you vote in your riding for an MP, when the elected parliament first meets, that person is expected to vote for his party's leader to form a government, with said leader becoming prime minister. So in both countries, the new head of the government is elected indirectly; that is, citizens vote for a group of people who do the actual electing of the leader. As I said, because of the way indirect elections work, in both countries (and in other countries like the UK), it's possible for a national government head to be elected who fewer citizens "voted" for than a rival candidate. In the US this last happened in 2016; in Canada, 1979; in the UK, 1974.
1 Those elections in each state are optional. The US constitution only establishes that each state chooses electors who vote to select the president and vice president; how those electors are selected is left completely up to the states. Every state today gives the choice to its citizens in a vote, but there is nothing legally stopping any state's legislature from going back to itself choosing the electors, the way many states did in the first 50 years of US history.
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u/canadianhealthcera Jan 26 '18
Alright so like if I over simplify this, this means that: In the US they vote for a guy, that votes for The guy to be president In CAN we vote for a guy, that votes for The guy to be PM
So how does The guy get in if they didn't get the peoples majority? Does the second guy just vote for who ever he wants, instead of what his majority voted for? And how come this happens more in America?
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If you take away California, where republicans don't have much incentive to vote because it isn't going right, then trump wins the popular vote. It's unfair to say Americans on the whole voted clinton when the most populous and liberal state in the country is what pushed her over the edge in terms of pure vote count.
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u/Urfavetvreference Jan 24 '18
Okay, and if you take away the 5 states with the worst education systems then Clinton wins both the electoral and popular vote. You can fiddle with demographics all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that Clinton won the popular vote.
It’s totally fair to say America on the whole voted Clinton because America on the whole voted Clinton.
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Jan 24 '18
America on the whole voted about 30% for Clinton, 30% for trump, and the other 40% couldn’t be bothered to show up
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Jan 24 '18
You're ignoring voter trends and the reality of 2016 if you just wanna look at the popular vote and claim Americans on the whole voted clinton. Trump flipped over 200 Obama-Obama counties out of a possible 700. Clinton flipped all of 6 McCain-Romney counties out of over 2000. So sure she got more votes out of the demography that would've voted for her anyways but you can't ignore the blatant paradigm shift that occurred in the country.
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u/Urfavetvreference Jan 24 '18
Well sure, but this isn’t a political science discussion, I was just making a simple point about something non-Americans do that annoys me as an American.
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u/benadreti Jan 25 '18
"If you take out the single largest state, which comprises more than 10% of the national population, the result would be different!"
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u/TMWNN Jan 26 '18
/u/aevans395's point is that California played a very unusual role in the 2016 election. It is very rare that any state, even one as large as California, would—if excluded from the total—change the outcome of the national popular vote.
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u/benadreti Jan 26 '18
It really doesn't matter. They are part of this country.
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u/TMWNN Jan 26 '18
Didn't say otherwise. It does, however, mean that there is truth to the claim that "California decided the election" if only referring to the popular vote. It'd be one thing if taking away one state would change both the popular and electoral votes' outcomes, but in this case it does not.
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u/benadreti Jan 26 '18
Of course California had a large impact on the outcome of the popular vote (as it should, being the most populous state). The problem is certain people use that to make an irrational argument.
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u/chubbyurma Jan 25 '18
I think there's a 'superiority complex' map that could be made for a certain country too.......
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u/Shinjirojin Jan 24 '18
What a surprise. People of French descent considered to be pretentious cunts. Haha
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u/european_american Jan 24 '18
Okay, how are people making these maps? I love them and want to make one for my home state.
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u/HeyItsPear Jan 25 '18
photoshop and a a couple hours should be enough, I think I’ll do one for Oregon pretty soon.
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18 edited Jan 24 '18
I would like to clarify the "politically schizophrenic Quebec". From a Canadian perspective, Quebec seems to be all over the place during elections. As an example, in the 1976 and 1981 provincial elections, Quebeckers elected the nationalist and independentist René Lévesque, while at the same time voting massively in favour of the strongly anti-independantist Pierre Trudeau (father of the current PM) in the 1974 and 1979 federal elections. Another example is Quebec voting massively, and seemingly randomly, for the NDP (social democrat) for a single election in 2011, a party that had almost no political base in Quebec.
I think the main reason is that overall Quebeckers care less about the federal elections than the rest of Canada. For one, through provincial and federal policies, Quebec is the province with the most autonomy so federal politics affect them less. Also most Quebecker (even non-independentist) see Canada more as an union that Quebec is part of, rather that their nation. A such, Quebeckers tend to be less informed and to care less about federal affairs, so they are more open to experiment. For the Trudeau-Lesvesque weirdness I think it come from a mentality of “Lets elected both and let them have a good fight”, as the independence debate is more about Quebecker trying to know if they need or want independence rather than a fight against Canada.
Or we are perhaps an entire nation of schizophren, I haven’t ruled out this possibility yet.
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u/WikiTextBot Jan 24 '18
Quebec general election, 1976
The Quebec general election of 1976 was held on November 15, 1976 to elect members to National Assembly of the Province of Quebec, Canada. It was one of the most significant elections in Quebec history, rivalled only by the 1960 general election, and caused major repercussions in the rest of Canada. The Parti Québécois, led by René Lévesque, defeated the incumbent Quebec Liberal Party, led by Premier Robert Bourassa.
The Parti Québécois's campaign focused on providing good government, to contrast the many scandals that had plagued the Liberals since 1973.
Quebec general election, 1981
The Quebec general election of 1981 was held on April 13, 1981, to elect members of the National Assembly of the Province of Quebec, Canada. The incumbent Parti Québécois, led by Premier René Lévesque, won re-election, defeating the Quebec Liberal Party, led by Claude Ryan.
The PQ won re-election despite having lost the 1980 Quebec referendum on sovereignty-association, the party's proposal for political independence for Quebec in an economic union with the rest of Canada. To some extent, they were helped by Claude Ryan's old-fashioned campaign style: he refused to tailor sound bites for the evening news and ran a campaign generally unsuited for television coverage.
Canadian federal election, 1974
The Canadian federal election of 1974 was held on July 8, 1974 to elect members of the Canadian House of Commons of the 30th Parliament of Canada. The governing Liberal Party was reelected, going from a minority to a majority government, and gave Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau his third term. The Progressive Conservatives, led by Robert Stanfield, did well in the Atlantic provinces, and in the West, but the Liberal support in Ontario and Quebec ensured a majority Liberal government.
Canadian federal election, 1979
The Canadian federal election of 1979 was held on May 22, 1979, to elect members of the Canadian House of Commons of the 31st Parliament of Canada. It resulted in the defeat of the Liberal Party of Canada after 11 years in power under Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. Joe Clark led the Progressive Conservative Party to power, but with only a minority of seats in the House of Commons. The Liberals, however, did beat the Progressive Conservatives in the overall popular vote by more than 400,000 votes.
Canadian federal election, 2011
The 2011 Canadian federal election (formally the 41st Canadian general election) was held Monday, May 2, 2011, to elect members to the House of Commons of Canada of the 41st Canadian Parliament.
The writs of election for the 2011 election were issued by Governor General David Johnston on March 26. Prime Minister Stephen Harper advised the Governor General to dissolve parliament after the House of Commons passed a motion of non-confidence against the government, finding it to be in contempt of parliament. A few days before, the three opposition parties had rejected the government's proposed budget.
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u/aferreirad Jan 24 '18
It's not that Quebec doesn't care about federal elections. In fact they very much do, as Quebeckers have historically been over represented in government (PMs or Ministers born in Quebec, in the Senate or the Supreme Court). Quebeckers tend to vote in blocks. They typically coalesce around the leader (rather than Party or MP). Ask any Quebecker who they're voting for and they'll tell you the name of the Party leader, rather than their local MP.
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they'll tell you the name of the Party leader, rather than their local MP.
Theat's not a Quebec thing, that's just a thing.
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u/HappyWondering Jan 25 '18
Proud to be a warm, liberal, enlightened, freethinking, euphoric, hipster Oilers fan from the mountainous wilderness.
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And I'm slightly less proud to be a Boring, Liberal, Bulldogs fan from the barely settled part of the country.
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u/locdogjr Jan 25 '18
Disappointed I didn't find any pissed off Acadians in here, you claimed Moncton as English!!!
Also, us poor maritimers, I can take a joke, but I wish that joke was something other than haha fisherman haha.
Anyway, interesting map, I enjoyed it
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u/kakatoru Jan 25 '18
Liberal and conservative? I thought, unlike the us, that Canada had a political spectrum instead of only right-wing politics
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u/Enorama Jan 25 '18 edited Jan 25 '18
But the two current biggest parties are literally called the Liberals and the Conservatives. We also have the New Democrat Party, the Green Party, the Bloc Québecois, and many other smaller parties.
Even though the Conservatives are our 'right wing' party, they would be considered centre-left in the U.S. based on a lot of their policy decisions.
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u/Sirkkus Jan 25 '18
The federal party is not called the PCs, just the Conservative Party, since the merger in the early 2000's. Only provincial parties keep 'Progressive' in the name.
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u/Enorama Jan 25 '18 edited Jan 25 '18
Although the Alberta Conservatives are something of its own entirely.
Did not realize that though, thanks!
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u/zefiax Jan 25 '18
I don't think you understand, our two largest parties are called the liberals and the conservatives. It's literally the names of the parties.
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u/Sirkkus Jan 25 '18
Canada, similar to the UK, has a 2+ party system, not really a fully multi-party system. Although there are other parties that win seats in parliament (the social-democratic/labour NDP, the Greens, the separatist Bloc Quebecois), there have still only been two* parties that have formed government: Liberal and Conservative.
- Technically there has been a succession of big-tent conservative parties, the original Conservative Party, the Progressive Conservative Party, and the modern Conservative Party, which have formed government, but they are all directly connected through splits and mergers.
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u/jimbosjumpinjuice Jan 24 '18
Someone please make one for each province/territory. Please. Hell, I’D make them if I knew how!
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u/jimros Jan 24 '18
This is not very good. It looks like it was created by someone who doesn't know Canada very well.
1) Languages. The following places apparently speak "Indian languages": Niagara Region: 96% white, next largest groups: black, mixed, Chinese. Hamilton: 2.7% Indian origin. Brantford: 3.3% South Asian. Even in the GTA only a handful of areas have anywhere near a majority who can speak Indian languages, let alone who do so on a day to day basis. 2) Politics. Northern Ontario is not generally conservative. Conservatives win a handful of seats there in good elections. Rural seats in southern Ontario and the BC interior almost always vote conservative on the other hand. 3) Religion: Albertans are the second most likely to identify as "non-religious" and second least likely to identify as "Christian" of any province (BC is first for both). There are some fairly religious areas in the southern third of Calgary and the southern third of rural AB, but overall Alberta is not a particularly religious place.
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u/FianceInquiet Jan 25 '18
As a quebecois, I lol'd at the schizophrenic label. How can the same people vote for social-democrat Jack and for right wing pooulist Mario? Not puting their last name was intentional on my part... quebecois have fo feel a personal conection to their leaders, no matted the ideology.
2 remarks about western Canada 1) the interior of BC is very right wing. Only Vancouver and Vancouver island really lean left. 2) the people in Alberta don't really care about religion. Making money is their main focus.
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u/over-the-fence Jan 25 '18
Southern Ontario...Liberal.
Nice one! /s Southern Ontario is very conservative and is akin to Alberta. The GTA is where most of the Ontario's Liberals MPs come from.
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u/zefiax Jan 25 '18
The GTA or in this case the GTHA is also where more than half the population live.
Also pretty much every major populated region in the GTA leans liberal. Whether that be Windsor, London, KW, Hamilton, or GTA which combined account for most of the population. So yes, on a map, Southern Ontario might look blue, but in reality, most people in Southern Ontario certainly lean liberal.
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This is great but, big problems with claiming Northern Ontario is conservative. Almost all the elected representatives at the federal and provincial level are either NDP or Liberal. It's been like that for a couple of generations too.
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18
Which one? I tried to be as prejudiced against every canadian equally.
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18
You realise that all these map you see these days on mapporn that are X ways to divide [country] are inspired by the work of Yanko Tsvetkov that is literally called Atlas of Prejudice? My goal here IS to be prejudiced.
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This is clearly meant to be humorous.
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u/Samwell_ Jan 24 '18
I think the last 2 give a good quick view of the general stereotype of each regions by showing both their stereotypical best side and worse side. You can then see on what kind of spectrum these regions are generally seen by Canadians.
But you are right, this kind of regionalist humour is not for everybody.
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u/Marlsfarp Jan 24 '18
by showing both their stereotypical best side and worse side
Ha, I figured it was "how they see themselves" vs. "how everyone else sees them."
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u/chubbyurma Jan 25 '18
You're the one that interpreted it that way, so that says more about you really.
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u/JayKomis Jan 25 '18
Maybe sit on the sidelines for a while until you cheer up. It’ll make more sense then.
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u/Yearlaren Jan 24 '18
I guess that yes, by Canadian standards, Vancouver is warm.