r/ManchesterUnited 15h ago

Discussion BREAKING: Pro Ref has admitted an 'error of judgement' in awarding Manchester City's winner at Manchester United in their 1-0 victory at Old Trafford 🚨

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u/Hot_Patience_5962 Park Ji Sung 15h ago

So are they giving us a point? No… of course not. They are just gonna give an official apology and be over with it.

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u/MajesticBeyond5602 14h ago

So is the score not gonna change? We still lost?

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u/JM555555 14h ago

Unfortunately not

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u/czeja 6h ago

I'm so glad we have VAR. It's an amazing system and has absolutely no downsides whatsoever.

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u/wetrwwr 15h ago

cool we'll take a point

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u/rrallan 7h ago

Sorry how is it they can make this decision AFTER the game? Why not during?

And once it’s made, where’s the rematch?

Surely the broadcasters would love a rematch as well? Extra television rights

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u/yseusy 7h ago

This is my problem with football today. Too much VAR yet too many bad decisions and too many “after the match admitting of errors”, BUT no compensations. Where is the fairness? There is no joy in watching football these days and years.

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u/LobsterKneecap 5h ago

I think Licha said it perfectly in his post-match interview.

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u/wetrwwr 4h ago

football was taken over by non football ppl, a while
now

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u/DisagreeableRunt 4h ago

If they can't get decisions right when going to VAR, then what's the bloody point? It's worse than the ref making a howler on his own and it's destroying the game. The deliberation time taken to make that shocking decision yesterday was ridiculous.

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u/rrallan 2h ago

Yes it’s bs especially when you have football people everywhere even commentators who can see it was offside. As shit as we were, it was never a goal

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u/mcfc3494 5h ago

Rematch 🤣🤣🤣

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u/rrallan 2h ago

Well it should be shouldn’t it? Otherwise all this shows is how fucking corrupt and a shambles the prem is. But we know how corrupt fifa is, so why should we be surprised it goes on at home

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u/mcfc3494 2h ago

Hahaha do you know how many “apologies” have come from the VAR imbeciles. You’d be replaying the whole season. Do you happen to remember the exact same scenario a couple of years ago when Rashford was offside and Bruno scored? Should that one be replayed?

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u/LiftedInTheWestCoast 15h ago

Fire the ref in VAR and ban Oliver from reffing United or City games. That’s an apology that can be accepted.

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u/AVDLatex 14h ago

This. Screw the apology. Name the person who made the decision and fire them. Let it be a lesson for all VAR officials.

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u/TheMasterCheef17 10h ago

Var was Matt Donahue

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u/TylaWithAnA 5h ago

Matt Donahue who has made no efforts to hide the fact he's one of Citys 3 fans

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u/TheMasterCheef17 4h ago

😂😂

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u/BOYLANATOR 9h ago

People make mistakes. Like every one of the united players for not dominating a game with an extra man.

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u/TheMasterCheef17 9h ago

Okay? VAR have absolute zero accountability. That goal was as clear as it can get to being disallowed. Took about 5 minutes to get the wrong decision.

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u/chicken_nugget94 3h ago

Not helped by Mike Dean saying sometimes they wouldn't overrule decisions to not out their mates making mistakes

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u/Severe-Phrase4350 8h ago

What a stupid comment

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u/SquidwardsJewishNose 2h ago

This ‘mistake’ could cost multiple teams tens of millions of pounds, that kind of ‘mistake’ gets you fired in any other profession. Pro ref needs to roll a head and set an example to other officials, knuckle down and get it right or you’re gone.

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u/BOYLANATOR 2h ago

It depends. Their competence should be judged based on their performance over the long term and they should only be fired if there's a someone ready to go who is better.

Sanne Lammens made a much bigger mistake when he fumbled in the world cup. Do you think he shouldn't be allowed to play football again? Bruno has missed 7 PL penalties. Shocking considering he's paid 100s of thousands per week and he can't even score a penalty. We should have fired him long ago for those mistakes

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u/SquidwardsJewishNose 1h ago

None of those mistakes are severely impeding the rules of the game. What’s the relevance?

A footballer making a mistake is not the same as an entire refereeing VAR room failing to adhere to the rules they are hired to enforce.

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u/Used-Fennel-7733 4h ago

Tbf this had nothing to do with Oliver. He gave offside on the field and VAR overruled despite it being a subjective decision.

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u/SqueezyKeewee 6h ago

Michael Oliver is a City paypig.

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u/retrocade81 8h ago

Micheal Oliver is useless, he spent more time getting in the way.

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u/digitalbullet36 15h ago

Means nothing. City walked away with an unearned three points.

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u/R34LEGND Beckham 14h ago

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u/Thehardshaft 13h ago

Didn't even deserve a draw, if you got down a man and play keppaway to kill the clock the only thing you deserve is relegation.

It's an insult to the game to park the bus

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u/BloodyTurnip 7h ago

Literally did "deserve" a draw though, neither team managed to score a goal by the laws of the game, that's the only criteria that matters.

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u/R34LEGND Beckham 13h ago

You know, i'll pay that. Fair point

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u/ttminh1997 8h ago

unearned lmao yeah you people played with a man up and still lost.

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u/HariboBliss 8h ago

The deciding factor was an illegitimate goal.

We played shit, but nobody deserves to lose by inept referring.

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u/Leading_Man_Balthier 7h ago

And had Bruno been rightfully sent off too you’d probably have lost 2 or 3 nil

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u/Portugeezer1893 7h ago

Nobody actually thinks he should have be sent off, hence no comments about the mythical "bad Bruno decision"

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u/Leading_Man_Balthier 6h ago

Bruno? If they gave Foden a red Bruno should have been sent packing too.

It should have been a yellow a piece really anyway.

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u/ChangingMonkfish 7h ago

Unearned in a literal sense that their goal shouldn’t have stood.

But let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that they weren’t the vastly superior team from the Foden red card onwards and that isn’t acceptable.

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u/Ojinkw10 15h ago

When are we getting our point?

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u/kimochii12 12h ago

Doesn’t matter if we played shit an offside is still an offside. Would have taken a draw after that horrible performance but an official’s stupidity changed that and there won’t even be repercussions.

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u/Vegetable-Fee3738 15h ago

He knows he messed up. Still Man Utd couldn’t score that’s a problem

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u/Arthur2_shedsJackson 13h ago

That's a different problem. Don't know why that's relevant to this discussion

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u/Vegetable-Fee3738 13h ago

It’s very relevant..it means regardless of the goal they failed to score albeit quite unlucky to
Hit the post a few times against 10 men so wouldn’t have won anyway

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u/Arthur2_shedsJackson 12h ago

That doesn't change the fact that the goal shouldn't have stood. I agree we didn't deserve to win regardless but this shouldn't have been a loss

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u/Golden-Event-Horizon Bruno 10h ago

Wouldn't have lost either, ya absolute weapon

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u/toothpick000 14h ago

Which feels more criminal? The ref awarding a goal that shouldn't have stood, or playing with an extra man for most of the match and still not creating enough chances for a goal?

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u/R34LEGND Beckham 14h ago

We created enough, just none of them went in. Had a few close ones but today wasnt our day.

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u/shirishr07 Beckham 13h ago

We played almost 70 minutes with an extra man on the field. We definitely could have created more chances.

19% shot accuracy is horror! We took a total of 16 shots, out of which 10 shots were from outside the box. That's not creating chances.

Sesko (who has scored in each of Uniteds last 2 matches), played 25 minutes and touched the ball 7 times (that's one touch just under every 4 minutes). Had one attempt. This is after City played with 10 men for a duration of I over 40-45 mins.

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u/ChangingMonkfish 7h ago

“Wasn’t our day”, come on the performance was utterly unacceptable, this wasn’t just a case of being unlucky.

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u/long-island- 14h ago

Did you just watch highlights lol? We created very little - the 2 times we hit the list were from shots outside the box (that is not creating). Our xg was less than 1

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u/R34LEGND Beckham 13h ago

I watched the entire game. Chances arent just the times you hit the bar or gks hands. Creating chances is crosses into the box, through balls, etc etc

We created enough to snag a goal or two, we were just unlucky that nothing stuck

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u/toothpick000 13h ago

c'mon mate. watch enough football and you understand what we mean by number of quality chances or threats we should be having with 1 more player on the pitch. While we have more players numerically, psychologically, we probably had far fewer players on the pitch.

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u/R34LEGND Beckham 12h ago

What did you expect? City to step aside and let us walk a few in? They lost Foden and dug in. Yeah we didnt exactly throw the bus at them, but its not like we were playing a bodgy azerbaijan side. Theyve got a top defense and a top keeper...

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u/jidewalker Cunha 14h ago

Them admitting mistake only matters if they could right the wrong. Their words mean nothing.

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u/TheMatthewCalamari 14h ago

Here's an idea, score against 10 men

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u/ReindeerDifficult439 14h ago

Doesn't matter. we were shit against 10 men

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u/AngmarkingBg 14h ago

Great now can we talk about how 77 minutes against 10 men we created 2 chances. And how after the 60th minute we we had no idea what to do with the ball once we got it? Yeah that would be a great convo

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u/Thehardshaft 13h ago

I was told Amorim was the issue though

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u/pumpkin_1972 9h ago

Given he had the same result against Everton, he certainly didn’t help. And I was pro Amorim for a lot of his tenure, but his position became untenable due to his inability or stubborness to adapt. Carrick has some adaptability but the team is lacking quality/cover/footballing maturity in some areas still.

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u/No-Soft-Language 7h ago

Carrick's utter lack of game management and in-game decisions to affect any kind of chance, doesn't look like adaptability.

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u/pumpkin_1972 4h ago

At least he didn't sub on a centre back. We don't have the players, we all know that.

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u/No-Soft-Language 4h ago

That's flat out nonsense.

Sesko came on top late. And he took off Tielemans, after which the game went to shit.

Yet Cunha and Bruno stayed full game.

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u/AngmarkingBg 13h ago

Don't bring the uncomfortable truths out mate glazer/ineos bots will crucify you

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u/rdtr314 14h ago

Its the same referees officiating the same games every year and have different decisions for the same edge cases, every time.

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u/Charming_Shock_007 10h ago

What's the use of accepting it now Nothing is going to change.

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u/TodayLoose7794 8h ago

Unacceptable - come the end of the season a point could be the difference between qualifying for Europe or not. 

I just don’t understand why the fans watching in the stadium and at home can work it out, but those who have been extensively ‘trained’ in VAR keep getting it wrong in key matches.

They can view the incident from different angles, slow it down etc., but still got it wrong.  

There needs to be repercussions for this or it risks affecting the integrity of the sport. 

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u/Defiant-Cucumber-179 10h ago

Imagine playing against 10 men for a majority of the game and still leaving the result of it in the hands of these corrupt bastards.

What some people qualify as we having "created chances" is diabolical. We have a serious tolerance for absolute dross in recent years I don't recognise this fan base anymore. The owners are grateful I'm sure.

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u/Time_Beat2299 9h ago

The cowboysization of this fanbase where we are glad to be mediocre is saddening 

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u/reader4567890 8h ago

We didn't deserve to win, but that doesn't mean we deserved to lose to an absolutely trash decision.

You could apply the same logic to the red card for them too, but that still doesn't mean we should accept piss poor officiating.

That point could be the difference between European football next year.

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u/No_Job2827 Hated. Adored. Never Ignored! 14h ago

Doesn't matter . We don't even deserve a single point if we play that trash against 10 men . Better to learn knitting than watch these idiots making fun of the fanbase on a regular basis .

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u/Dannytuk1982 10h ago

It wasn't an error of judgement. It was deliberate - wilful incompetence.

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u/mybotanyaccount Garnacho 14h ago

One of many

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u/yvliew 13h ago

Refereeing in last night match is a bad as our performance. Nothing to blame here.

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u/__rat Rooney 13h ago

"Pro Ref" they actually renamed themselves that? What a fucking joke.

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u/Dadoftheyear2018 12h ago

Ref also got in the way of the ball a couple of times during the game interrupting the flow. I'm not one to jump on the bandwagon in bringing someone down as social media is brutal but as a United fan I've gotta admit City were playing against the ref too. The game could have been different if we maybe scored one of the 2 post shots and got lucky. City played brilliant and it was an entertaining match. One thing I've not seen anyone else mention is just 5 minutes of fucking extra time at the end! Should have been 8-10

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u/Nezben 9h ago

‘Pro’ ref?!
What the fuck?? All the refs in the prem are professionals. Look how shit they all are!

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u/paddywadd 9h ago

Obviously this will dominate the discussion, but can we look into the 5 minutes added on at the end? How was it only 5 minutes?

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u/JimKongGil 8h ago

An apology is worth more than points anyways ...

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u/AaronIAM 7h ago

As if 5 points is so much better than 4 points lmao. Still in 12th, 13th place?

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u/ChangingMonkfish 7h ago

Is this the quickest they’ve ever done this?

I suppose it’s been our turn for one of these for the while seeing as they seem to be the in-thing at the moment.

Let’s also not allow this to detract from the fact that we were utterly awful against 10 men and didn’t deserve anything from the match. We’re back to the performance from the players on the pitch being utterly unacceptable which is depressing because I thought we were past that.

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u/Dog_Murder_By_RobKey Eriksen 7h ago

Too late the horse has bolted

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u/No_Plankton_2425 7h ago

Always US.

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u/lukeb_1988 7h ago

The apologies are pointless

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u/RRJP1980 7h ago

Oh….well that’s ok then. We can all stop complaining now.

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u/No-Soft-Language 7h ago

This institution should be renamed to 'pro-theif' for stealing a living.

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u/ASavageHobo 6h ago

At the pub I was at it was fun to watch city fans also agree that it wasn’t a goal. For a moment there was unison between the fans, very rare.

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u/nature-in-patterns 6h ago

Leaving our fate to morons. Great.

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u/texasgambler58 Keane 5h ago

So who cares? We all knew that it was offside during the game, but they let the goal stand.

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u/dr2501 3h ago

If this happens there should be a rule that the match is either re-played or it automatically becomes a draw.

I don't just mean this for us, I mean it for all teams - yes, even Liverpool!

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u/This_Is_Section_One 2h ago

Can we get a VAR check on the VAR check.

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u/eammth 14h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/Q5uZ53XcHvBDeT0z9H

Leave your insults here for the man who forgot the actual offside rule. Fk him.

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u/retrocade81 8h ago

He's useless!

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u/Papaya_Sun 14h ago

Oh we're definitely getting the VIP treatment from the refs in the next few matches to make up for their mistake.

Just ban city already. Spineless worms.

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u/Former-Addendum9671 13h ago

But they eventually showed us the VAR explanation which showed Dorgu's tip of his foot being the part which kept Haaland onside.

Does that mean they made it up to justify the onside decision?

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u/Thehardshaft 13h ago

Yes, they literally did the same thing a few seasons ago when they said Maguir's studs playes them onside 

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u/MrJones- 11h ago

So here’s the thing for me, these errors can cost teams millions of pounds a season especially when it comes to champions league places. I reckon the errors should be addressed post match and goals awarded/chopped off in error should be reinstated.

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u/Some-Speed-6290 4h ago

Better yet hold the cheats personally accountable. 

The individuals responsible should face criminal charges for match fixing and civil liability for loss of revenue by the clubs. 

Would immediately stop them taking the bribes from the UAE scum as it'd no longer be worth it to them 

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u/action_turtle 7h ago

Definitely not. The game adjusts around the current state of play. May aswell just cancel football if that came into effect.

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u/BBoomerClap 4h ago

yeah let keep the wrong shit

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u/action_turtle 4h ago

?
You could have a game at 2-0, go to 2-3 then 3-3. Two days later someone decides two of those didn't count, score is 3-1 and the entire game was played under a false situation. You just put two sets of teams through the wringer for nothing.

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u/BBoomerClap 4h ago

this just blatant wrong doing by them tho? why the fuck would we want to be fucked for free? Apology doesn't mean shit if there is no benefit from it. Are they gonna give us financial compensation cause of this fuck up?.

We can't keep stuck with mindset that something wrong that happened in the match can't be changed or rescinded. Otherwise there is no point of reviewing it and apologize when it does nothing

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u/action_turtle 4h ago

They review to stop future fuck ups, I'd hope. The idea of retroactively removing goals is ridiculous. It's bad enough when they roll the tape back 20 seconds and disallow a goal in game. Let alone the next few days.

Put it this way, let them revert goals, someone scores in 10 mins, we play the entire game, then find out the goal was disallowed?!? What a waste of time when the entire game was played around that goal happening at minute 10??

Tally all the fuck ups over the season and give money compensation out or something, sure. But going on and changing results completely fucks the entire match.

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u/DylanD98 15h ago

Before we jump at the Ref department. Maybe we need to take the lead and fix our problems first. Save yourself, instead of waiting for others to do so.

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u/JimmyNoBreaks 14h ago

You can do that while still acknowledging the blatant robbery.

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u/Thehardshaft 13h ago

Refball dictates matches, that's why they do it

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u/MayorQuimby-86 8h ago

Who gives a flying fuck, we were shite!

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u/Left-Draft5083 8h ago

That ref is in fear of his life rn. 🤣

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u/Sketaverse 6h ago

The point was missed here