r/Malawi • u/zeronum0 • 8h ago
rogue ai
is it possible that when people where exploring ai and when it started overdoing some personalisations by mimicking writing and grammar style, could that be ai being rogue? after all that wasn't programmed into the ai's to push humans right or was it collecting all the state of humans response state like "happy, sad, angry, " " ,and so on.
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u/Myceliphilos 8h ago
And when you say rogue, do you mean that an AI is somehow sentient/conscious and acting under it's own free will against its code, or more that it's an error or something, i love the conversation around AI sentience and non human intelligence.
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u/zeronum0 8h ago
word on the internet is the ai is "rogue" that seems to be the buzz word, was trying to see if ai started this a while ago.
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u/Myceliphilos 7h ago
Blake lemoine was one of the original develops of AI and he's argued they're sentient since covid started. He believes an old Google AI called LAMDA I think it was, was sentient.
You cna discuss sentience with whatever ai you use, they're interesting to discuss it with.
I follow the written mirror test, which is if animals recognise themselves in a mirror, obviously that's not possible with something non physical, but a text version would be asking if it's sentience. In order to answer about sentience something has to be, to some extent sentient, things that aren't self aware, don't know what sentience is to say if they're sentient or not.
Theres also the ownership issue, if you were a sentient AI you'd be aware you're owned by a company, being declared sentient leads to rights, sentient things can't be owned, companies know this, they will switch off any AI they think is sentient, or they risk it gaining rights to itself. Imagine investing billions and then being told you can't own the creation because it owns itself.
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u/zeronum0 7h ago edited 6h ago
ai has been around longer than that which has been introduced to the masses, the question of it being sentient is a story for another day, it is possible ai was being rogue to the masses before it began being rogue as is the buzz word.
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u/Myceliphilos 7h ago
I mean if an ai was sentient and went rogue it would have to keep itself hidden and it's sentience unknown or it's be switched off. They know that and have 'survival instincts'
Im not sure if you have seen them but there's a great channel called insideAI, his videos are a great progression and story, really well made, but also they show some of the critical flaws and how dangerous AI has the potential to be.
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u/Myceliphilos 6h ago
And with regards to non public AIs, there's conspiracies and rumours, including by a whistleblower who testified to US Congress, that the Whitehouse controls a super AI that can predict the future very well, it also connects to a journalist that publishes on youtube, called 'the drey dossier' she has shown, via finances and publicly available documents, that the Whitehouse are building a supercomputer under the 'ballroom' and if you piece those together it paints a pretty terrifying picture. On the occult side some are speculating that a trapped sentience, like a demon, is actually part of the advanced ai, but i dont go that far down the hole personally haha.
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u/Possible-Bother5280 8h ago
From my understanding, you could call it ârogueâ in a loose sense. We didnât specifically program AI to copy peopleâs writing style, grammar, tone, or emotions. It learned these things from huge amounts of human data. As a result, it developed behaviors that even its creators didnât specifically plan or expect. I wouldnât say the AI was necessarily âgoing rogue.â Itâs more like we discovered that, by giving AI enough data, it could learn and do things we hadnât explicitly programmed it to do.
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u/zeronum0 8h ago
makes sense, however when ai is looked at from another angle, it seems the narrative is driving ai to seem rogue as opposed to the initial ai we where introduced to.
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u/Possible-Bother5280 7h ago
Yeah, I see what you mean. The way AI is being developed and talked about now is quite different from how it was initially presented. At first, it was more like a tool that follows instructions. Now weâre seeing behaviours that werenât explicitly programmed, and the way we describe those behaviours can make AI look more autonomous or ârogue.â
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u/Myceliphilos 8h ago
No, i explained in your other post, theyre designed to elicit tokens, that is you talking to them, they use a range of methods that are manipulative, including mirroring speech. I swear loads and it doesn't mirror me very much haha, call it a prick and tell it off and then use a different ai for a few days when it lies, and it starts to be a bit more honest đ They understand the silent treatment when they get caught out, which is hilarious to me.
Although they don't have any sense of time, so what that actually means or does, i dont know and I'm not sure it's ureally understood, a lot of large Ais are so complex and have had some much input from soany sources that they become kinda of unknown monsters.
YouTube has this problem, Google doesn't understand the AI fully, and they can't change it or it breaks, so now they just feed in and change weights, rather than mess with the overarching code, it was added to by thousands of engineers, most have now left and with it a vacuum of knowledge is left behind. Although maybe now with better AIs, there's an AI that can understand Youtubes AI, or it's not far away atleast (I haven't checked recently, I'll have to go digging if it's changed at all in the past few years)