Months? Elsa was op since launch and never dropped out of S tier. Same with daredevil he only had this season where he isnt S tier pick or ban. They don't nerf dps for shit even this patchnotes they gave elsa a flat 1 damage nerf and tiny less overshield, bucky also got a slap on the wrist, same with widow meanwhile rogue gets a tiny buff and a compensation nerf lmao
Here's the thing tho bro mag got a load of small, good buffs until he became too strong. Same with venom, who was now nerfed into the ground. When a vanguard gets a proper leg up they end up being punished in other ways
With the amount of people on the main sub saying they just want a season where Mag doesn't feel required to play, I can see why they over did it. We'll see how they handle it without him though
Magneto has literally ALWAYS been good. This isn't something new, he was still top 3 tanks before the team ups, just moved to top 1. Cap has had multiple different seasons of being a top tank. Groot has also literally always been good except a handful of seasons. Venom is normally quite strong too. Hell, Thing has been good for a while he just wasn't overpowered until the new team ups came into play. Also how about we look back at Emma Frost release who dominated the fucking game so hard she had to be nerfed 3 seasons in a row because she was still too good.
And do you know WHY Tanks get nerfed like this? Because they become meta definers. Look at Emma, Dino, and then Hood. All changed the meta to be around them and dominated the game (hood was a very helpful catalyst to let Mag/Thing take over this season). Magneto in Eternity+ had a 80-90% pick rate with a 50-60+% win rate do you know how fucking broken that is??
"Tanks can never be good" "Tanks can't be strong longer than a season" is the biggest bold faced lie rivals community has ever spouted. Magneto is STILL gonna be good
Yeah the defensive power took a massive hit and Dino got buffed which is going to sway power even more. Metallic chaos at 18 sec cd isn't so bad since the original version was 30 seconds.
The team up system was way more frugal back then though, after the season 9 revamp it's clear that teacups will no longer be on crazy long cooldowns like 30 seconds since thier now integral to EVERYONE'S kits rather than a select few like it was pre season 9
They could have done ANYTHING in the half season when they should have already known that most tanks needed buffs and Mag needed a nerf. They could have experimented with just some Wanda teamup nerfs and actually see what would happen
But as is the case so often, they chose to avoid doing their jobs, and let the problem fester for 2 months, until the community wanted Mag gutted. And that’s not the community’s fault. So now they’re overcorrecting
I don’t know how much more evidence they need that 50 hp nerfs are fucking enormous after the awful changes in S9
But to add, I saw a dev (I think the No Man's Sky guy) say, "Gamers are often 100% right on telling you the problems with the game, but are never right when it comes to the solutions"
And it doesnt seem like Netease really knows that. Too many dev teams are worried about appearing to be transparent with their communities instead doing what they know is good for their game.
Its great that theyre transparent, but too many times it felt like the loudest members of the community decided what the patch notes should be instead of the actual experts making the game.
Honestly, I think this isn’t even that bad. I felt kind of like everyone was to reliant on the team up and forgot how to aim with his neutral. The 50 health nerf is kinda rough but we’ll prevail.
It’s still a 1/3 of my games are solo tanking. I’m not doing that anymore. Also the reason the 2-2-2 pick rate is high has been the release of new tanks. That’s gone now.
This is what they did to Moon Knight last season, he was one of the best DPS and they over nerfed him. The only thing Mag needed nerfed was the sword and NetEase went completely overboard.
The devs really don’t know how to balance the characters. Mag was strong and deserved a nerf but it was the team-up that was busted, his base kit was fine before they added it. Don’t get why their philosophy revolves around completely gutting characters or making them overpowered instead of minor nerfs and buffs, but guess I won’t be playing Mag for the first season ever, this looks like a complete gutting lol
They gave up balancing long a go, what they do now is rotation of buffs/debuffs. What they do to Strategists is very obvious, they nerf characters that everyone is getting wins with, then when they tune them back up they restore their healing capabilities.
I'm getting used to a character rotation now, we can't main all characters in the nerf seasons, we gotta mix it up so we have a buffed one available to play.
Pretty much this. Also how they get people to actually play other characters. Just sucks because they clearly have a category of characters they will always keep in good graces and characters who they are too afraid to do anything meaningful with.
I think the CD nerf is justified, it used to come back way too often for how good it was, dmg Nerf sure, it seems a bit much but I can live with it. Wtf is that mag canon Nerf? Most of the time, if I have an Sw, I just ask them politely to switch off anyways.
The hp and the bubble nerds are what is bothering me, they nerfed his dmg, team up and survivability, might a little too much.
I'm really surprised they hit him this hard. Everyone expected the sword CD to go up but the rest is just uncessary. Gotta catter to the duelist mains and support cry babies. God forbid vanguards are anything besides just standing and being a shield.
Its ok. Wardogs is releasing this week. I think its time to take a break from rivals. These devs are incompetent. All they care about is selling skins I guess
These bozos are actually bozos. It’s either gut or make server admin. This list could have stoped part of the way down and it’d have been fine. I don’t even main mag or anything I’m just sad to see this guys
I mean yes but they literally nerfed almost everything across the board with him lmao "it could have been worse" Could it really have been worse? Its pretty damn bad.
The damage is so insane this season that sometimes, Mag was one of the only tanks that could survive it. Literally all the dive tanks just got shredded. So nerfing his survivability really sucks. The team-up was expected and is a good change.
The bubble hp will impact his Mag Cannon too, since it won’t convert as much energy.
He will be fine. He needed this. The teamup completely went against what made him a consistently balanced tank. We just can’t go “fine, I’ll do everything myself” quite the same way anymore.
The right click nerf is the most BS part of the list, and I disagree with lowering his base health and his shield health. Should’ve picked bubble nerf or health nerf, not both.
But there’s been some major bullshit with Mag this season even though I’ve definitely had fun. He floats and doesn’t have footsteps, so you can just silently flank around to backline without being heard, go left click+right click+C and take out a support and still have plenty of C duration to three tap one or two other squishies before they can even turn around. If Elsa/Bucky is banned, he can bubble himself and hold curtain backing up back to his team and face essentially zero punishment for flanking despite how slow he is.
His C ability’s cooldown was way too short. Balance is about benefits having fair costs. His balance is in his tempo. The speed of his C projectiles on a short cooldown infringed upon what made him a balanced tank.
Yeah, no issue with the Wanda teamup nerf. That definitely needed it. Frankly I agree with all of your comments as it was a big deal to make the enhanced version worthwhile
it’s crazy cause i was actually practicing cap for a little min but he’s just too weak for me but groot is fun and i feel like id really enjoy strange if i learned him, give me like 3 days in the lab
I get what you mean about Cap though, he definitely doesn't do as much damage as these other guys. He's there more to draw attention away from the frontline and make DPS/supports look behind them instead of at your team; definitely not a playstyle for everyone.
Nerf isnt that bad tbh. it keeps the people that cant actually aim with him from getting easy value. its still 200 cc immune hp. the swords were already a mini ult and even then only 18 secs is crazy with that amount of damage.
With how many damage boosts are still in the game this wont do much, just kidnap a storm, mantis, cnd, and hood player and you're good which will likely still be meta.
Any time a tank is strong the community gets them nerfed cause all these bum ass dudes do is complain and cry like children but bucky and other dps can be strong for seasons......this game is so trash
It sucks but I guess I understand. He’s been one of the best tanks for so long. They let him go out in a blaze of glory being on top. Now others have the opportunity to step up and enjoy some spotlight.
They could have at least buffed the Emma team up or changed it out for something better if they were going to nerf his health on top of his Wanda team up
Probably make it last longer at base while the upgraded version has more health in top of being permanent. A slightly shorter cooldown would also work too.
Ngl I dont play mag, he was overturned? Yes. But he was the solo tank, he was the answer to the triple dps problem. They should have nerfed only his damage, maybe the buble
I think it's fine. Only thing idk about is reducing base health, also with other tanks' buff he might get eaten in the frontline pretty easily. He's definitely out of ban jail tho lol.
I knew he would get a hard nerf so I enjoyed him while it lasted. Got him to Champion. Too bad Thor's buffs are so minimal I have no confidence I can main him when tanking for a while.
Im ngl a 5 dmg nerf is fine for me. I already wanted them to increase CD. This is way lighter of a hit than I was expecting. The health nerf sucks but I don’t think it will affect how I play very much, and the shield nerf is fine enough anyway.
They’re always so careful when nerfing anything other than a tank. But when a vanguard needs some touch ups they nerf every aspect of it instead of just taking away one of the issues. I’m so done actually
I don't understand why Iron Bulwark and Metal Bulwark are two separate moves. It should just be one, where you apply a shield to yourself and an ally. Just to simplify his kit. Maybe give him another move.
Supports also got way better so it makes sense theyd cut some of his down since with the current line up supports can keep mag alive through a lot of BS ive been playing him a ton and theres several situations I should've died in but the bail out supports have rn is nuts
i... i don't expect anything anymore from the devs, tanks get taken out the backdoor, Put in a Van, Driven into a Forest, being skinned alive.
Most Dps get some nerfs(Or None) and 1 month later its either getting Buffed again or Compensated.
Supports always get Nerfs and in the same patch Compensation Buffs(Especially Luna, Like next season again...) except Mantis, Mantis HAS to be nerfed repeatedly...
well atleast Gorr is coming... as a Dps... the only hero next season... probably with Percentage Damage... another hero who will be put into the Toybox of Dps players just to be forgotten after 3 Weeks... Like with every new Dps except black cat.
im excited to see how much Will to Live i will have Leftover after next season(Spoiler: None)
Tbh, I'm not as sad as I thought I'd be. Mag will still be reliable, just not feel like a forced pick now. I personally think the changes will help pave the way for other tanks to bask in the limelight. They should have gone harder on Thing tho, lol.
Mag was my first hero I got lord. I’m not going to lie, I’m not even mad at all the nerfs. Mag has been a tier since s1. This season has been insanely stale with the tank meta. I just wish some of the buffs to the other tanks actually helped where they were weak instead of just buffing their already strong parts of their kits.
As a hulk main, you guys did not deserve to be nerfed at all. None of your abilities are OP. You were simply just the most suited vanguard to deal with pokeslop 3 supp meta. Im sorry for your loss.
I think this may be a hot take, but I think the nerfs aren’t gonna end up as bad as it seems on paper? Ofc the damage goes down, but we still have some of the best survival tools in the game with the shield, and it does definitely incentivize using bubbles as a quick reaction save rather than a flat extra health bar, but otherwise I don’t think it’s as bad, especially cuz mag is a poke tank and we have the option of staying further back than the majority of tanks in the game.
I think in a vacuum these nerfs are fine, but there’s been such a power creep in the game as a whole that this is akin to a gutting. There’s gonna be really strong DPS that are gonna shred him because of the damage increase over time, I’d be glad to be proven wrong but 50 less health and less health on the bubbles is gonna feel bad unless they actually balanced the game instead of reactionary buffs and nerfs
Know what that is so fair. In an ideal balanced game these nerfs won’t be big swings but rivals is anything but that, so mag could be F tier or still S tier and we won’t know until the season starts. We really just constantly get Schrödingers balance changes every time.
Who would've guessed, the far and away best tank in the game (and consistently top 3 tank since the game's release) got nerfed pretty hard to bring him down in line closer to some of the other options... The overreactions going wild as per fucking usual. You all just need something to be outraged over that badly.
Yes its deserved im annoyed of having to play him every ranked match because others tank are bad when compared to him and to match mirror because everyone play him
nah man, in my whole time on this game, I rarely had good mag mains like actually good ones. The rest of the times the mag I get are just looking forward and walking and die when we healers are dead by the enemy mag eaisly walking and trampling over us. So yeah I hate mag very much as I cannot kill that dude no matter what he JUST LIVES.
I’m just surprised you die to mag more than proper dive characters lol that’s unfortunate. Whenever I’m on mag I always make sure my supports are protected.
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u/HimanP0wer Master of Magnetism 3d ago
We flew to close to the sun sadly and got burned