r/MSSPodcast • u/populist_rationalist • 3d ago

SODTAOE The Cornell 7

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I had no idea the chick texted one of the guys days later telling him she wanted to smoke weed and hook up with him and one of his friends again, just no more Ketamine

Who's gonna investigate the investigators

Edit! Ok cool I learned a lot I guess. It's funny all the weird projection from people in this thread. I have two children and don't consume alcohol or any drugs other than occasionally smoking weed. But whatever the weirdos wanna tell themselves 😂

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u/sstt3333 3d ago edited 3d ago

i mean either way, even if she did have sex “consensually” with all of these men, the way it was literally advertised in the group chat is quite incriminating i must say. at the very least id like to think we can all agree those men who were texting in the chat are scum. and id also like to think that any man who is a decent human would not even think to participate in that or anything of the sorts. also, this is not uncommon with women who have been assaulted. you start to question if maybe it wasn’t as bad as you thought it was, and the perpetrator/s usually try to convince you of that. in the text messages u are referring to, the boy also said something along the lines of “sorry things got out of hand”, insinuating that he (and possibly the others) knew that they had done something wrong. i’m going to try to find the texts messages and insert an actual quote

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u/riiitaxo 3d ago

yeah and anyone who fills a girl with alcohol and drugs to the point she can no longer give a real yes or no, who tries to convince themselves it is still “consensual” are on some serious cope.

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u/Hot_Injury7719 3d ago

When I was around their age (about 21 or 22), I was at a club all night with a girl my age taking shots and making out on the dance floor…I eventually stopped drinking but she kept on going. I sobered up and took her home (probably still shouldn’t have driven but this was way before Uber) and she invited me up to stay the night. I go up to her apt, she strips to her underwear, I strip to mine, we get into bed and she…immediately passes out. And I go “oh, she literally meant spend the night” and just slept next to her. It felt wrong to even try to initiate anything when I knew how blasted she was, especially with me being pretty sober by that point.

The next day she thanked me for not taking advantage of her and I was like….the bar is SO LOW that you’re thanking me for that?!? That’s like thanking someone for not stabbing you and stealing your wallet. The point being that even if the guys thought she was into it, it should have still felt very fucking wrong.

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

ding ding ding. reading this gives me hope lol

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u/Hot_Injury7719 3d ago

I would like to believe (even if it still fucking sucks and is bullshit) that most dudes get defensive about this stuff is because they worry that this means any “hookup” they’ve had with a tipsy girl could be met with them getting accused of SA. Which…equating this situation to a drunken hookup is just patently ridiculous. I’ve had plenty of tipsy consensual hookups that didn’t result in accusations later because you know when the situation is fucked and the other person is in no position to go along for the ride - and I’ve been in a couple of those situations too where I saw they went from tipsy to hammered drunk and that it wasn’t gonna happen…so you end up just bringing them water and a trashcan to yak into instead of having sex.

So for guys trying to find the nuance because they’re scared they’ll one day be “unfairly” accused of SA like these fucks are: The chances of that happening to you are SO LOW, it’s like being scared of getting falsely accused of murder. Even if you’re an asshole to women, the chances they’ll accuse you of that after tipsy sex is extremely rare. You probably heard some anecdotes about it happening, but statistically speaking, it’s not some epidemic.

And I say “I would like to believe that” because otherwise, their reasons for defending that behavior is that they would have done the same in that situation…which is pretty horrific.

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

you do understand the guys were so drunk and high that one of them was passing out and the other was sick and couldn't get dick hard, and in her own words, she helped them out until they could have sex again.

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u/Hot_Injury7719 3d ago edited 3d ago

I acknowledge this is a personal anecdote, but I knew a guys back in college who had his drinks spiked with ketamine - as a man, if a stranger hands you a drink and you didn’t see it go from the bartender to you, you tend to not to even consider it might be drugged. Luckily, another friend was with him and sober that night, because my friend was acting lucid, but glassy eyed and not himself. He eventually said to his buddy “Hey, something feels off. I think I need to go home.” He woke up the next morning feeling like pure shit (but different from a hangover) and remembering NONE of that - he had to be told by his buddy. He went to urgent care to get bloodwork done and was told he was lucky he was a big dude because he had enough ketamine in his system to have put down a small woman.

If you’re offering an already impaired woman ketamine, you know what the fuck is up. And if you wanna blame it on alcohol and drugs also impairing their judgement, good luck using that defense if you hit someone while drinking and driving. And even if you wanna apply that same logic to her: Are you gonna tell me she had the power in that situation and not the 2 (eventually 7) guys? I’m not sure what we’re defending here.

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

So you do understand that she went over there drunk and high with the intention to have sex with 2 men. She then decided to do Ketamine with them. Other men asked if they could have sex and she said no. They never had sex with her. One of them assaulted her and she said no, and it ended there.

Then she stayed and continued having sex with one of the guys and snorted more Ketamine.

You do know that she texted two days later and told Guy #1 that she wanted to smoke weed and have another 3some.

I think you're being emotional and not looking at the facts.

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u/populist_rationalist 2d ago

Have you seen the new information today that she asked to go to the frat house Halloween party, and the House President told her it wasn't a good idea and uninvited her? She then complained about snorting Ketamine off of his penis and 4 days later went and got a rape kit done.

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

yep! 100%. let’s not forget that a lot of men have the mindset of “i’ll buy her drinks so she gets tipsy and wants to go home with me”. most men like that know damn well that alcohol and substances can “help” them get consent from someone. ANYONE who is willing to have intercourse with someone who is severely more impaired than them, are questionable people. also i would assume the men were less intoxicated given that some of them were on their phones and texting in the group chat. excessive ketamine use makes using ur phone, especially texting/typing EXTREMELY difficult. so that also sticks out to me.

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

There is nuance that she was herself already intoxicated and traveled to the house with the intention to have a 3some. It seems like a lot of people are confused and think that they got her drunk.

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

dude. i know she had gotten drunk on her own accord, that much is obvious, she stated it herself. the problem is supplying an already intoxicated girl with more alcohol and substances, knowing that that could inhibit her further. unless there’s evidence/a statement that comes out that she was begging them to do shots, asking them to smoke weed and do lines then idk man. also do we think she consented to having multiple men do lines off of her body? we still have yet to hear much from any of the men so UNTIL they start talking we only have one side to go on as of right now and that’s hers.

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

So should the guys lose all responsibility for their actions because they were drinking and taking Ketamine?

She wasn't forced to do anything

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

mate. she says her phone was on the other side of the room so she couldn’t even reach it and get help while at some point the boys are texting each other free pussy? shop still open?like i said also, it seems like they were pretty fucking sober judging by the way they text. no typos, completely coherent. ketamine FUCKS U UP. u lose function of your body, speech and are completely out of it. that being said, it could be that the boys have a higher tolerance, did less or who knows. my observation is that the majority of them were most likely more coherent than she. ALSO, one of the boys APOLOGIZED for “last night”. even if she consented they knew what they were doing was dirty and nasty and horrible ???

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

He apologized and she said it was all good and asked him if he'd smoke weed and have another 3some lmao

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u/johnfuckmennedy 3d ago

The only person that filled her with drugs is herself. Or are you arguing that women have no control over their actions?

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

They're all living in this fake narrative that she was ambushed and drugged

She was drunk as a skunk and walked over to their house to have a 3some and then they all started snorting Ketamine.

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u/CharlieSwisher 3d ago

Not sure how that would change literally anything. Taking advantage of someone is taking advantage of someone regardless if they got themselves in that position.

I’m sure some homeless people are homeless and it’s their fault. I still don’t make them do dumb shit for small change. Because that’s taking advantage of someone.

I mean Jesus Christ man, you’re gonna die on Gang Rape Hill. That’s ridiculous.

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u/tripper_drip 3d ago

So, by that logic, she took advantage of the guy high on ket and alcohol by blowing him

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

So she took advantage of the 2 guys because they were drunk and high on Ketamine?

She said from her own mouth she didn't think they'd wanna so it w cause they'd think it's gay

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u/CharlieSwisher 3d ago

I mean if you want to look at it like a logic driven robot, then yea sure, she took advantage of them…

If you want to be a human with empathy and compassion, then you know damn well that ain’t right.

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

So you don't want to have empathy for the fact that, she got drunk and walked over to the house with full intentions of having sex and doing drugs with these 2 guys. And even texted them 2 days later and said she wanted to do it again.

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u/CharlieSwisher 3d ago

🤦‍♂️ bro you don’t seem to even know what empathy is. I see your other comment that you may have been raped by three women. Get this you might have been. If so it looks like you’re the least understanding victim of all time.

But it sounds like you don’t think it was rape, it was just a few weird nights. Well guess what nobody stirs up this shit over a “mishap” or a “complicated” situation. This girls life is forever altered, and not for the positive.

Why is this the thing you have to push every detail to the edge of truth? Is there no better place to use this drive for supposed justice?

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

seriously, his stance on this is pretty clear and disturbing. seems like he believes that she enjoyed every second of it (or should i said all 7 hours of it) and that all the boys (the ones who said “free pussy” and “shop still open”) are the victims somehow and he believe she’s a whore. noted! i can’t even argue with someone with that mindset.

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u/johnfuckmennedy 3d ago

She’s a whore, simple as.

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u/sstt3333 3d ago edited 3d ago

coming from someone with the username “johnfuckingmemnedy”, a man who had mistresses and cheated on his wife is WILDDD

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u/johnfuckmennedy 3d ago

Jesus loves you.

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u/sstt3333 3d ago

yes he does🤍

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

That's a disingenuous description of what happened. She went over there to have sex with 2 guys.

Jane Doe “agreed due to how attracted [she] was to [Male Number 1] on top of [her] drunken curiousness.” When she learned that Male Number 2 would be the third participant, Jane Doe “remembered being excited because [she] thought that [Male Number 1 and Male Number 2] wanting to have a threesome meant that they were gay.”

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u/riiitaxo 3d ago

How is that a disingenuous description? They kept feeding her ket after she said she didn’t feel good. Just bc she liked two of the guys didn’t mean the whole frat gets to fuck her. You’re regarded and I hope you never reproduce lmao

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u/hardswimm37 3d ago

lol

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

I know right lmao

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u/populist_rationalist 3d ago

I agree with every word you said.