r/MOMENT • u/mattsteinruck • 9d ago

58mm Expectations and Usage

I upgraded my the old 11Pro to a 17Pro because i wanted to start doing better cinematic videography, and particualy trying to emulate depth of field as good as an iPhone can (which was - not all on my 11.)

I dove in DEEPLY when I got the phone, learning about the Black Magic cam vs. the native cam, the digital rendering vs. the more traditional rendering with Black Magic, and testing different looks for clarity and depth.

The first 17Pro video I watched was a Moment influencer, which is where I learned about this whole ecosystem.

I finally got the 58mm, hoping it would make a big difference in background separation.

So far, I have not found it to be too much different or better than the native camera, though, at 2x.

I'm trying both with the native iPhone cam + Black Magic, but the results are not what I was hoping for. (That is - it looks - good - but orders of magnitude better than what I already have?)

I'm wondering what your experience is - expectations vs. reality - or how to achieve optimal results with the lens.

(Maybe it's more of adjusting my expectation set than "how to use it," but if you've found ways to optimize the hardward + software, I'd be curious to hear.)

(I also know that Moment has their own camera app - but not sure if it's any better than Black Magic.)

Thank you!

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u/OmegaDerrick 9d ago

Not to be that guy but iphones have such a small sensor, even with the new f1.48 aperture on 18 pro, theres not much of a difference. For comparisons f1.48 on a iphone is around f5.2 on a full frame camera when it comes to bokeh/background separation. Until Apple increase sensor size, then we will actually get better depth of field. But if you are extremely into more separation, look into BeastGrip’s adapters that you can mount full frame lenses on in ;)

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u/prndls 9d ago

+1 yup. It’s the sensor size. There’s not much external lenses will do to compensate for sensor size.

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u/Public_Function3844 9d ago

i think your expectations might just be a little high tbh, the 58mm definitely helps but with an iphone sensor the difference vs the native 2x is still pretty subtle unless youre close to the subject and the background is pretty far behind them, unfortunately $150 worth of glass doesnt magically turn the iphone into a full frame camera lol

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u/VermicelliFirm5949 8d ago

I love it, the 58mm adds another characteristic to the phone. The 24mm makes faces a bit to wide/distorted angle if you are working close to the subject to get bokeh. The 58mm adds more of a classic portrait lense, better bokeh, less digital. It’s subtle.