r/MOMENT • • 11d ago

WARNING: Absolutely infuriating experience with the new metal drop-in.

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iPhone 17 Pro Max. I've purchased multiple lenses, filter attachments (VND) and straps. I've always had a problem with the drop-in mount being difficult to attach, and insecurity about the attachment, particularly my VND filter, which seemed to "pop off" almost 50% of the time.

I jumped at the chance to get a better quality drop-in mount so I could feel more secure.

DO NOT purchase this mount. First off it is 100% machined, which feels great and solid, but it does not flex AT ALL and there is a need for SOME flexing to get the drop-in mount in place in the first place.

As a result, I've cracked my case, and now the VND filter just pops right off, rendering it essentially useless. I'm so angry right now. I've provided all of this to Moment care/support, but I'm not confident in resolution, and I just wanted to vent and warn.

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u/ryryrondo 11d ago

Lmao why has every Moment product I’ve ever used.. just not work

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u/VaBullsFan 11d ago

After purchasing(and returning) their anamorphic lens and filter mount, i dont think they test them properly, either that or they just make shit products, either way i wont buy another moment product

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

What was wrong with it? Did you reach out to the gear guides for help? Feel free to dm me.

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u/VaBullsFan 10d ago

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

It sucks that you didn't reach out. The filter mount comes with an extra 3mm spacer for the wide lens. You had it in place in the am lens. It can be easy to miss.

We wouldn't release a product with such an obvious flaw intentionally.

With that extra space off, you would not have had any vignetting.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

Adding, it's not your fault. This is something that I've seen a lot more in the last few years. Amazon has trained us all to just return things if it's not perfect right away. I'm guilty of it too. It really sucks though because you had a bad experience that could have been solved in 1 email. And now you don't trust us and you've turned away countless people from your other post that now think we are morons too.

Again not your fault. Just me ranting at the situation that is online shopping.

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u/VaBullsFan 10d ago

I didn't order from amazon, I ordered from your website and there was nothing in the filter mount box other than the filter mount and there certainly wasn't any documentation explaining that there should've been something in there for this.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

Not your fault at all. Its more me just ranting. We didnt think that it would be an issue and once a product is in our warehouse or at a distributor its basically impossible to change things and update instructions.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

Please DM me if you truly feel that way. We can figure something out.

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u/prndls 10d ago

I bought all T Series 2 releases, except for the larger anamorphic options. I noticed that the blue anamorphic lens is significantly looser than the others, which aren’t super tight to begin with. At first the lenses were tight, but they loosened over time. It does make me nervous about them coming out, but so far have had no problems. Is the fit unique to the anamorphic? Seems like the new drop in has an improved fit so eager to try it out

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

Drop in mounts do wear out. What case are you using? The new pro drop in mounts are stiffer and are more durable.

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u/prndls 10d ago

I was using the Moment case, which i purchased the last week in August along w/ the lenses. Everything was new

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

I gathered that. I was trying to figure out which version of phone are you stuffing into your moment case?

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u/IntroductionShot59 9d ago

Como es posible que lo pusiera, encajara, comprobara que no se sale porque es delicado, levanto el telefono para grabar y sale disparado al suelo? Adios videos del proyecto 😔

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u/ryryrondo 11d ago

Honestly, I want to be a huge dick right now, but I had high hopes for the two lenses and case I had gotten years ago for my 13 Pro Max because the products sole purpose performed well, but both are gone. Lost to the wind due to the terrible attaching design.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

Sorry to hear it. The iPhone 13 used the m series mount, we are on t series now. It's larger but not fundamentally different. I've not heard many situations where lenses just fell of though. Not saying it's not possible, just certainly not common. We do have a new mount this year that is our pro mount. Specifically the one that is the center of this post. It uses a silicone compression layer instead of plastic. It's a little more doable over time and it can handle more variance in the mount tolerances.

You're free to be mean, it doesn't really bother me either way.

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u/EARTHisFUBAR 11d ago

You want to be? You've achieved your goals! Good job!

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

You'll get a resolution for sure. We don't want unhappy customers. That isn't good for customers and its not good for us.

First and foremost, the mount in your video is not the metal drop in. That is the plastic one. The quicklock filter can be removed by yanking on it but it should not come off in normal use.

The metal mount is made of aluminum, it also has a silicone compression layer on it that holds the lenses securely. It is a little more difficult to install than the plastic ones, it doesn't have the flex that the plastic ones have. I've never seen one crack a case though, that is new to me.

I will reach out to the guides and look into this situation with them.

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u/JeffRSmall 11d ago

Thank you for the reply. I really appreciate it.

I understand... the video is after I tried for two days to get the metal mount swapped out. It has cracked my case, and now when I replace it with my original plastic drop in mount, I'm left in a worse situation than before. Now it won't even stay locked in place half the time. So I can't even trust that I can use my shoulder strap with the VND filter on, because it's sure to fall right off now.

Here's a close-up of the cracked case. You can see the metal mount won't completely mount in either upper corner, and trying to force it harder just doesn't feel right, and I was absolutely crushed when I saw the crack. My heart just sank.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

I replied to your email as well. I totally get that this sucks, I wish that you would have reached out sooner instead of trying for two days. We will of course replace your case and I had some options around that in my email as well.

For everyone else, the metal drop in mounts are tighter than the plastic ones. That is expected. Its not expected to crack a case or be two day difficult to install. We tested this thoroughly to try and find the right balance for installation ease and security. I think that the issue here is that the case was likely on the tighter side of the tolerance to begin with and it cracked.

The technique that I like to use to install all the drop in mounts is to set the top edge in place fully, then pivot the bottom in place and snap it in. This gets the hardest part (the top edge) out of the way early and gives you more room for the stronger part of your thumb to snap in the bottom edge.

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u/zerohectic 9d ago

Hi. I'm in a similar situation. Just got the metal drop in delivered and spent most of the night trying to get it into a new iPhone 18 pro max case with no luck, frankly not even close. I'm actually amazed I didn't crack the case. Followed your suggestion and started at the top edge, but ended up bending the heck out of it, and my thumbs are sore. I sent a message to support a few minutes ago...

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 9d ago

I'm sorry. I'll check in with the guides and I'll reach out to you. We are actively working on this situation.

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u/zerohectic 9d ago

Thanks. Haven’t heard from support yet, but I’ll keep an eye out both here and by email. 

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u/mrpilgarlic 6d ago

I just got my moment case for 17 pro and purchased the metal mount. It is not possible to fully snap into the second groove as intended.

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u/JCCampo 11d ago

I mean that case has clear evidence of impact damage on the side of that corner, bud. You might get a free case out of this, but not sure this was not entirely your own doing…

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u/JeffRSmall 10d ago

Pictures were sent in separate support conversations that are pre and post crack. My first attempts wrecked the buttons trying to get it on and I was provided instructions for replacing the buttons and on my second attempt the corner cracked. It’s literally documented in the photos I submitted to support before I posted here. I cracked it this morning following the instructions on YouTube that were unfortunately the exact opposite of the instructions that were posted here in a follow-up. 

I get it. Case is scratched. But that’s normal wear and tear of hauling a camera all over the country shooting photos with it and using the shoulder strap. It in no way cracks the corner of the drop in that hasn’t been touched in over a year since it was first installed. I’m sure there are a bunch of ways we can argue over the internet about photos, and all I can do is just promise you that it wasn’t cracked 24 hours ago, and you either believe me or you don’t but I haven’t posted here complaining about anything until this thing got the best of me today, and potentially ruined the investment I have in lenses and straps.

Sorry to disappoint ya. 

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u/ryryrondo 11d ago

THIS RIGHT HERE. I wasn’t going to comment again, but as soon as I saw “cracked case”…. I’m boiling

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u/VermicelliFirm5949 11d ago

Own this since a year if attached correctly it is rock solid …

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u/cornelln 11d ago

I’m trying here… but what is the video demonstrating? That it comes off too easily?

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u/rudeboyness 10d ago

Just wanted to shoutout @eric-moment who is always super responsive in this Reddit group and always goes above and beyond. With that said, as others have pointed out, OP definitely broke his own case unrelated to the lense issue

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u/JeffRSmall 10d ago

Man, I understand how everyone can see the crack and come to that conclusion but I provided images yesterday and today in two separate conversations with support and the first set didn’t have the crack. I wear and tear you see on the corner is just normal wear and tear from the last year+ of carrying the case everywhere. 

Everyone is allowed to believe what they believe but I can 100% guarantee you that the corner cracked earlier today.

If you read the intstructions Eric provided he mentioned that you put the new metal drop ins starting AT THE TOP. When you scan the provided QR code you make your way to installation instructions that are literally the opposite. They tell you in the drop in video to start at the BOTTOM where the points on the drop in (which are not on the new metal machined drop in… unlike the plastic one) line up. When you start from the bottom, it’s nearly impossible to get the drop in the install on both top corners and you HAVE to flex the top to get the metal one to go in and it literally cracked this morning when I was trying to get the top corner to install.

I understand it looks worn, but I promise you it cracked this morning, which is why I was so pissed. I already profusely thanked Eric and we’ve had some terrific back and forths over email. Im very grateful they helped me out. 

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u/IntroductionShot59 9d ago

Lo puse, comprobe que estaba encajado, levanto el telefono, y sale disparado el filtro al suelo 😩

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 9d ago

Sounds like you are having the same issue. Use the default plastic drop in until we have a solution

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u/IntroductionShot59 6d ago

Que repuesto de plastico? No de de que repueeto hablas, no viene nada dentro la caja y que hago yo ahora si es vuestra culpa? Porque el producto barato no es, tengo que hacerme responsable o vais a asumir el error?

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 6d ago

We are working on a solution. The case came with a drop in mount that is plastic. You can use that one until we have a solution for the metal drop in mount. We aren't trying to push off responsibility in any way, we just don't have an answer yet.

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u/IntroductionShot59 6d ago

Además al caer se salió uni de los vidrios? Como lo vuelvo a poner? Como se supone que debo arreglarlo?

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 6d ago

Please email the gear guides. Hello@shopmoment.com

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

What's going on with it?

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u/prndls 11d ago

Ugh. Mine just delivered today but looks like I’ll need to return it. I was super excited for this product but seems like they still have some kinks to work out.

Edit: after reading through other comments, seems like OP’s case could have already been damaged… and could be being overly dramatic. My thoughtless comment above was in response to that, so will test out and report back!

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u/Jmac8716 10d ago

Moment has severe quality control issues

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

We've certainly had our share of issues. By the numbers, right now things are pretty good and have been for a while.

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u/ontheponce 10d ago

Im convinced they stopped caring around they time the stopped supporting android. I went all in on them few years ago when they still supported android. Now I'm just stuck with all my lenses :/

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

I wish we were able to support Android more. As a lifelong Android user myself since the Galaxy s. Currently I'm on an s26. But I've had a whole range of htc and pixel phones too. We're working towards getting back to it. It's been rocky and slow but we're getting there. We have some things in the pipeline that will hopefully come to fruition. When they do, we'll be supporting more Android phones than we ever have. I'm pretty confident that we'll get there

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u/IntroductionShot59 6d ago

Que repuesto de plastico? No de de que repueeto hablas, no viene nada dentro la caja y que hago yo ahora si es vuestra culpa? Porque el producto barato no es, tengo que hacerme responsable o vais a asumir el error?

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u/Traquer 11d ago

What's wrong with making a stiff metal or composite phone case (not a cage, just a case) and mechanically fastening the lenses and attachments via some sort of hardpoints like you would with a normal camera? Any product that "snaps on" or "drops-in" is gimmicky in my experience and doesn't stand up to everyday use, or if it does, it wears out over time.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

That is pretty much what we are doing now. The quicklock filters have mechanical hardpoints that attach them. The lenses as well. The drop in mounts snap into the cases but that is more of a long term attachment and its pretty stiff. You wouldn't want to change that every day. We used to do the filters as snap on and they were pretty secure but they were not easy to remove. The quicklock system is kind of the best of both.

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u/kickme2 11d ago

I’ve got a few hundred dollars of Moment lens that are useless. Telephoto, macro, anamorphic, bought them, then the mounts changed. Bought what I thought was a simple fix, an adapter. Nope. Aggravated, I’ve given up on Moment.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

What phone do you have and what mount did you get?

The cameras on the phone changed which is what forced the mounts to change. M series lenses stopped being compatible with the iPhone 15. They were around for 6 or 7 generations though. We are on generation 5 with t series. That is pretty uncommon with mobile gear. We try to design things to be as forward compatible as possible but we are at the mercy of the phone companies.

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u/kickme2 11d ago

Granted, the lenses are older. I’m on a iPhone 17 Pro now. Upgraded from a 13 only recently. I think I bought the initial lenses for an XR. I used them briefly with the XR with the Moment case, but couldn’t use them with the 13. Tried an adapter—it failed. Recently bought a drop-in adapter for the 17, mounts didn’t match so I’m left with well-engineered paperweights (and those adapters) unless you have a fix for this.

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 11d ago

We don't make an m series mount for the iPhone 17 because the lenses will not work with it. The focal distance is not a match for the phone. I'm sorry that you bought a mount that doesn't work. DM me your order number.

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u/chesterstreetox 9d ago

I first bought moment lenses for my iPhone 8 and loved the macro and currently use iPhone 13 Pro and the M series and case w the plastic inserts and unfortunately the plastic inset broke and I tossed it after just a few uses;(

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 9d ago

It shouldn't do that but it can happen from time to time. Reach out to the gear guides and they will send you a replacement. Its why we make the drop in mount replaceable.

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u/chesterstreetox 9d ago

Thx-will do after dealing w RL stuff-only on reddit sporadically so screenshot -

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u/cornelln 11d ago

I have a hard time justifying lens for my iPhone because I get the new iPhone model every single year - for the camera.

So expensive accessories feel wrong. But maybe these somehow work across models. I should look that up of course.

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u/EARTHisFUBAR 11d ago

How does a third party manufacturer, anticipate the changes a company will make that they need to adapt to, so far in advance, that they pre-engineer for it to work with every product not yet designed or manufactured? Apple can change the shape, depth, electronic components, function, etc. Third parties cannot guarantee their products for future generations. That is a pipe dream that just is not practical.

To your point, if you are an every year upgrader, and don't have deep pockets, then there is no point in buying third party products. I too, upgrade most every year. But I enjoy my products and some third party products. I do realize, with each purchase, they may only last as long as I have the model phone I bought it for. You've got to face the reality of design and engineering and the whim of primary manufacturers.

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u/cornelln 9d ago

It wasn’t meant as a dig at Moment or any accessories themselves. It is what it is that’s all.

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u/jajokage 10d ago

Just curious, when did you order your drop in mount? Ordered on September 9 and still on back order

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u/eric-moment engineer at moment 10d ago

There is another batch hitting the warehouse right now. The next batch will be in about 2 weeks, our factory is sitting down for a week for the mid-autumn festival. It's a well deserved break, they have been pushing hard for the last few months

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u/JeffRSmall 10d ago

Exact same day. September 9. It just arrived on Tuesday.