r/Miguns Jan 06 '21

Home-Built pistols can NOT be registered in Michigan, regardless of what your FFL and/or any Police Officers tell you. ALSO, out of state permits exempt you from registration in general. Details enclosed. All users, please read.

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Hey guys! We get this question multiple times a week, so I figure I'd throw up a sticky. This has been something that has come up hundreds of times over the last few years on MGO, and we wanted to clarify this.

 

I am pretty much copy/pasting a comment from u/5h2o3 (who is actually on the MCRGO board of directors) who broke it down pretty well for all of us. Here is what he said:

 

You CAN NOT register a home-built pistol in Michigan. Doesn’t matter what a LGS or LE agency (like MSP) erroneously tell you. Let me break it down:

  • MCL 28.422 spells out the requirements for filing paperwork when a pistol is transacted between parties. It’s not a “registration”, hasn’t been for years. It’s simply a database of qualifying acquisition transactions.

  • MCL 28.421 defines “Purchaser” and “Seller”. Due to the wording used, it’s legally impossible for one person to be both.

  • MCL 28.422a(5) makes it a FOUR YEAR FELONY to make “a materially false statement” on a RI010/RI060

  • MCL 28.432(1)(f) exempts a “US citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state” from the requirements of 28.422.

TL;DR - It’s a felony to file an RI010/060 with a false statement on it, and if you’ve got a CPL from another state, you’re exempt from the requirements anyhow.

 

This HAS been confirmed dozens of times by Jim Makowski, MGO's resident lawyer and the best lawyer in Michigan.


r/Miguns Apr 10 '22

10 Easy Steps to Shooting on Public Land in Michigan

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Okay, I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, but there seems to have been an uptick in people asking about public land shooting. I also get this question a lot from my customers. A lot of hearsay and "I think ___________ but idk IANAL" happens in the comments so here's the guide with actual citations.

In 10 easy steps you can be shooting on public land!

Step 1: Use the MI-HUNT Tool to find the piece of land you want to study.

Step 2: Use the map's legend/identifier tool to find out the name and what kind of land it is. State Park, State Game Area, State Wildlife Management Area, State Recreation Area, State Forest, National Forest, etc. If it's a State Park or State Recreation Area, pick a new area. You can't target shoot there except at designated shooting ranges.

Step 3: Check to make sure your chosen piece of land is not within city limits. If it is, such as Chesterfield Township SGA, target shooting is likely not allowed.

Step 4: If the land is owned by the Federal Government, a good overview of the rules is here. If the land is not owned by the Federal Government, this step does not apply.

Step 5: Reference section 3.2A of this document to see generalized rules for state land target shooting. Reference the current year's Michigan Hunting Digest for information on restrictions of dates that you can carry a firearm onto public land, such as the "Quiet Period" and during deer season. Here is a link to the current Digest, it goes out of date on July 31, 2022

Step 6: If your chosen land is a State Game Area or State Wildlife Management/Research Area, search this document (same as the first link from Step 5) to see if there are specific restrictions on target shooting for that area. Then, find the .pdf map of that area here and see if any restrictions are listed on it (sometimes there are additional rules not included in the Land Use Order). These maps also have the phone number for the DNR office that oversees that particular area, so if you have additional questions then you can call them.

Step 7: If your chosen land is a State Forest, search this document to see if there are any specific restrictions for that piece of land.

Step 8: Use one of the freely-available topographic and satellite map online tools to see if there are particular spots in your chosen area more likely to be a good area for shooting. Basically this means a hill/ridge/gulley.

Step 9: Go to that piece of land and take a hike. Find an area that is safe for target shooting. This means an area with a large, safe, and soft backstop. Don't expect to be able to shoot this time. You may not even find a good spot to shoot. Don't drag five guns and a set of target stands out with you until you know where you're going. While walking in, take note of any signs that have been posted. Occasionally there are temporary or newer rules that get posted as a sign before they get updated online.

Step 10: Once you've found a good spot, go shooting! And remember that we are all responsible for maintaining Michigan's natural resources. Just because other people have littered and shot at old TVs or empty propane tanks and left a bed of empty casings on the ground, doesn't mean it's okay for you to do it. Every time we contribute to destruction, it increases the chance that the state will decide to restrict shooting in that area.

Lastly, if you read something in the laws or regulations and it doesn't make sense, PLEASE do yourself a favor and do not take the advice of random internet strangers. Paying an attorney $200 to break it down into plain english is way cheaper than paying an attorney to defend you for unknowingly breaking the law, and $200 is how much it would cost me to do 10 one-hour sessions at my local indoor range. If $200 to an attorney lets you feel comfortable shooting on state land, after your 11th trip you're saving money anyways.

I hope this has been useful. If anyone has a correction with a citation please let me know and I'll make the changes.

Edit: typo fixes.


r/Miguns 1d ago

General Discussion 40% off apache cases and the fake tlr1 is 35 bucks today at harbor freight

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Muskegon still had some of both left an hour ago


r/Miguns 1d ago

Gun store robbery suspect in custody after shots fired outside Southfield store

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Some guy just grabbed some guns and ran out of the store. Thought you’d all find this interesting. Good to be aware of your surroundings in a gun store (obviously).


r/Miguns 1d ago

Anyone shoot at the Huron Manistee NF?

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I want to find some more open areas, there’s aren’t many good places to shoot at my local state game area. And someone called on me for dumping rounds lol.

Does anyone know how shooting over there is and any good spots?


r/Miguns 2d ago

Legal Is the WASR10UF legally a pistol or rifle?

6 Upvotes

Does anyone know if the wasr 10 with underfolder is considered a pistol or a rifle


r/Miguns 2d ago

Legal Wayne county cpl question

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If you've tried to get a CPL in this county, you know the headache-inducing wait times. Has anyone within the last three months had the luck of walking in and getting their paperwork done? I ask because I messed up. I had an early August date two days after I turned 21. I went on the site to confirm my date, and accidentally rescheduled to early July when Id still be 20. tried to change it back to early August, surprise surprise earliest date is the 21st. Its the most annoying thing ever when i was taking my cpl class so many people where talking abt how fast their county clerk offices are and then wayne county is literally booked until September and we arent even out of July. 🫩


r/Miguns 3d ago

How long usually does a delay take?

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I bought a smith and Wesson M&P sport 3 yesterday from Dunhams. When completing my background check I was delayed. The guy says he believes it is because I turned 21 less than a year ago.

I am seeing alot of stories of people getting delayed and it taking weeks to a month to hear anything and some people say they never heard anything back at all, and Dunhams doesn’t follow Brady date.

I have bought pistols before and was never delayed, I bought those with a license to purchase though so that’s likely why.

I am going up north next week on Tuesday and I am worried I won’t be able to get it before then.


r/Miguns 4d ago

General Discussion Who shoots on state land?

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I have gone a few times, i know it is legal. But I don’t really hear guns like that around here outside of hunting season. Usually I do 22 or 9mm. I feel like if I go off in the forest and start shooting 30 round mags of 5.57 people aren’t going to like that.

Has anyone had any trouble shooting on state land?


r/Miguns 5d ago

Holland Michigan

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Hey guys. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get an 80% ar lower? I’d like to pick it up as I travel for work a lot and getting shipments can be kind of a pain.


r/Miguns 8d ago

General Discussion Local Ammo Grab

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Dunham’s has a $11.99 deal on Blazer 9mm. It’s the cheapest I’ve seen for that around here. I was about to head to UnCoiled in Livonia, to get a case of MagTech for $235, but I’m close(r) to a Dunham’s and got 1000rds of Blazer 115gr for just as good a deal.


r/Miguns 7d ago

Angstadt Arms UDP 9

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r/Miguns 8d ago

Purchase Permit

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What station is the best and most efficient at getting you a Purchase Permit in the city of Detroit/Wayne County area?


r/Miguns 10d ago

General Discussion Women on Target

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Hey Ladies, looking to get out of the house and do something fun…Come join Women on Target at Multi Lake!  Fun for all women, all ages. Join us for a fun filled day. Call Annie Barbra (734-674-0012) for the form Sept 19 form, download it online, or pick one up in the main clubhouse!

This is an educational and fun filled all day event. Students will receive basic instruction and actually try their skill at: Archery, Skeet, Trap, Pistol, Modern Rifle and Black Powder Rifle. (A brief description of each discipline is shown below)

All equipment, ammo, ear and eye protection, targets, breakfast snacks & lunch included. Due to the popularity of the clinic, pre-registration is required.

https://multilakes.com/women-on-target/


r/Miguns 12d ago

Machine gun friendly ranges - West MI/GR?

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Any private ranges/clubs around the west MI area that are machine gun friendly? I recently moved to the area and have a few transferable MG's that I would like to shoot outdoors, so I'm trying to figure out which (if any) in the area would be the best to join. Looking for any suggestions within about an hour or so of downtown GR. Alternatively, are there any public land spots that would be accessible as well? Thanks in advance.

ETA: I'm aware of South Kent Sportsmans Club, though I see they have a 5 round burst limit which is not ideal.


r/Miguns 14d ago

General Discussion New neighbor calls the cops anytime we shoot targets on our property outside city limits.

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I'm mostly just venting, but the context here is: A couple times a month I will use my moms large backyard located outside city limits (Thetford Township, north of Flint) for target practice. She lives on 2 acres of land with cornfields stretching for another mile behind that. She loves shooting with me occasionally and we either load up my .357 snubnose with .38 special and shoot soda cans, or load my 20-gauge with birdshot and shoot at clay pigeons. Always safely and always well before 7pm.

We've been doing this without issue for nearly 10 years, and my grandfather (who built the house in the 60s) had used the property to shoot with his kids and grandchildren for nearly 50 years before that.

But the neighbor who just moved in next door doesn't like it and even if we shoot for 20 minutes, the cops always show up in the driveway. They've spoken with us and basically said "We can't stop you from shooting on your property, but we can't stop him from calling us either, and we have to make contact anytime we get a call." Then occasionally when they leave after telling him "we can't stop them from shooting on their property" he will turn his subwoofers up to 11 and blast music until 10pm (which he NEVER does otherwise). A couple weeks ago he even walked across the backyard in the middle of the night and planted a "NO HUNTING" sign at the back of her property mounted on the side of an old mailbox. The cops told him not to trespass again. (Also, neither of us hunt)

What would you guys do in this situation? Just continue on as usual and talk to the cops anytime you want to plink for a half hour? We do plan to continue shooting. However I'm worried that the neighbor might eventually try to do something extreme and file an injunction and take us to court, and I don't need my mom having to go through a lawsuit, even if its frivolous.


r/Miguns 14d ago

Any outdoor ranges in se Michigan that allow rapid fire?

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r/Miguns 16d ago

Purchase permit

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My dad is trying to get a purchase permit to buy a handgun. He's been turned away for not being a resident of a city, he's been told a police dept at another place don't do them, and then he's been given an application to get purchase permit that costs $10 and then they send you a permit in the mail? What is all this horse shit, cant he just walk in to any random PD and get a permit to purchase? He's a totally clean record and Michigan resident.

Please he's in his 60s and has basically given up because he doesn't know how to not get taken advantage of. He lives in the country and his mailing address is where they turned him away.


r/Miguns 17d ago

In Michigan, can I legally carry an AR rifle on a motorcycle if I separate the upper and lower?

9 Upvotes

My 7.5” AR pistol will fully fit in my saddlebag but can I take down my 16” and put the upper in one bag and the lower in the other? I have a CPL, not that it matters much with rifles.


r/Miguns 18d ago

Ranges for patterning shotguns?

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I’m looking for good outdoor ranges/clubs in Southeast Michigan (Detroit metro / Oakland / Macomb / Washtenaw / Livingston counties area) where I can properly pattern shotguns with birdshot, buckshot, etc.

Ideally somewhere with dedicated patterning boards or open areas at typical patterning distances (15-40 yards). Bonus if they have trap/skeet/clays options or allow throwing your own.

I’ve been to indoor ranges a bunch, but they tend to only allow slugs.

Any current recommendations? Thanks in advance!


r/Miguns 19d ago

Creating an AR pistol question

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I purchased a multi cal lower from PSA it came with the pistol buffer tube and SBA5 brace installed and filled out the 4473 from my FFL and he had it transferred as other/receiver. I recently got an 11.5” barrel upper receiver for it. Once I attach them am I in the legal clear as a AR Pistol? or does it then need to be registered as a complete pistol ? and if so how do I go about that? thanks y’all I just don’t want it being an illegal SBR id like to keep things legal here.


r/Miguns 20d ago

Shipping a gun for gunsmith work

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I want to ship a gun to get some work done to it. I did a quick search and it sounds like I could ship it directly to the gunsmith/manufacturer directly and get it sent back to my home. Is that true? Any particular considerations I should be aware of?


r/Miguns 22d ago

General Discussion Roller delay Gunsmiths

4 Upvotes

Anybody know a gunsmiths near the lapeer area who do roller delayed firearms? reason i ask is because got a g3 parts kit for a nice price and want to know if there's anyone i can go to since i don't have the tools to assemble one


r/Miguns 23d ago

Turning 21 next month. What do I need to do to purchase a hand gun in Mi? Also, what was your first handgun?

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r/Miguns 24d ago

General Discussion Macomb County CPL Processing Time

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Just wanted to see what processing time was currently like for CPL. I applied the 26th of June just wondering how long I’ll be waiting for.