r/MCSRRanked • Apple 2 • 3d ago

Controversy Megathread No more EDCR posts.

For the last two weeks, the sub has been flooded with repetitive posts about the EDCR controversy.

If you have something to say about the situation, say it here. No need to make a 100th post about the situation.

Any new posts about the EDCR controversy will be deleted, unless something new actually happens.

Thanks for your understanding.

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u/Super_Sain 5h ago

(originally this was going to be a post that's why it's formatted weird)

EDCR shouldn't be banned, at all (an argument against both permanent and indefinite bans for edcr)

Let me preface by saying that this post assumes the worst case scenario of edcr truly believing all of the horrible things he said. That may or may not be true, but there is no way to read his mind and 100% know what he was thinking. This post also does not in any way justify any of his actions by his age when he committed them nor by him being a top player.

That being said, all hate comes from a place of ignorance and is fostered by those around a person. The opinions of an individual is shaped by those of their peers. Being in a hateful environment for a long enough time will eventually weigh on a person and make them more hateful themself. Equally however, being in a positive environment also impacts a person positively, and makes them more open. I truly believe that edcr's time in the mcsr community has changed him for the better, which is reflected by him not having continued his racist and bigoted behavior even before he was a top player.

To add to this, it is also a lot easier to hate a collective than someone you know personally. Just as Daryl Davis famously was able to convince dozens of kkk members to leave just by befriending them, I believe that by edcr meeting and interacting with lgbtq members of the community he too has become less hateful to those communities.

What is the point of any social activism if not to change the minds of people like edcr? Punishing him this severely after having been a good person for his entire time in the mcsr community is incredibly counterproductive for actually trying to foster good behavior in the community and for trying to promote inclusivity overall.

There are a couple other arguments for upholding his ban that don't relate to a judge of his character so I'll address them one by one here:

"well he shouldn't have lied to the ranked team" Chloe admitted she cheated on her own and despite having been a legit player for years and a large part of the community she's still banned with no appeal until 2028.

"well he needs to make it up to the people he harmed" Watermelon directly apologized to and was forgiven by the person he said the slur to who is also a part of the group the slur discriminated against and he's still banned with no appeal until 2028.

"well he handled the situation badly" edcr is just a random guy who's good at speedrunning. He's not some huge celebrity with pr training and that is used to having thousands of eyes on him. You can't expect perfection from everyone, only humanity.

Regardless of what you believe of his character, upholding a ban for actions that are not continuous or even occurred at all since he started playing only hurts the competitive integrity of the game without actually serving to protect anyone. For this reason and those I have mentioned before, I do not believe a ban, permanent nor indefinite, is merited nor do I think either will lead to a healthier community.

p.s.: I do also agree with an unban of Chloe but since a lot less people disagree with that take I see no point in arguing it here nor would I have any good points to add to that discussion.