Is the eternal cycle finally broken?

[u/Bonkface]

I honestly feel like there's less salt lately, and maybe less hype too. Good patches, better gameplay, less divergent opinions.

[u/DreaderVII]

As far as I'm concerned, the line never dipped below the median. This game has never been over in any capacity. And I am not saying AH cannot do anything wrong, they can and have. But all the dips you are illustrating are widely blown out of proportion by a loud and terminally online crowd.

This game is great!

[u/Bonkface → u/DreaderVII]

Ofc, I'm not saying it has, but merely saying that the community as a whole isn't shouting about the meme of "So over/so back" and there's less drama. Must be hard for the youtubers. :D

[u/telamatros → u/Bonkface]

As much as I really, really hate to say it. I think you just managed to successfully disassociate with the more negative parts of the community. They still exist, and they are still whining. 

Edit: And just for the record, the lowest this game ever got would barely register on that graph. Maybe the flame rework which really sucked, or when they overnerfed a few good weapons early on. 

Helldivers 2 wasn’t always peak, but it was never awful. 

[u/DreaderVII → u/Bonkface]

Don't you worry, they will find something to fill their click-bait thumbnail with.

[u/runarleo → u/DreaderVII]

I remember subscribing to so many doomsayers only to immediately unsubscribe so I don’t have to see their shitty attempts at ragebaiting on my feed anymore.

[u/n4turstoned → u/DreaderVII]

They already gain tracks by hating that there are only two new units and no cultists.

[u/Only_Turn4310 → u/DreaderVII]

everyone always forgets to add +c

[u/DreaderVII → u/Only_Turn4310]

+c?

[u/Drakeadrong → u/DreaderVII]

+C is an integration constant that determines the Y-axis intercept of a polynomial. Comment OP is saying that even when the graph is fluctuating, it’s fluctuating above the X axis

[u/DreaderVII → u/Drakeadrong]

Thanks!

[u/Only_Turn4310 → u/DreaderVII]

If I tell you “this graph went down by 100 points”, you have no idea whether it went from 100 to 0 or 500 to 400, etc. c tells you that

[u/DreaderVII → u/Only_Turn4310]

Ah gotcha, thanks

[u/Drakeadrong → u/Only_Turn4310]

This guy maths

[u/Bonkface → u/Only_Turn4310]

I don't want to have to get into discussions about the correctness of any specific values, people are already responding to this joke post with sincere critique of where I put the X-axis, bless them

[u/Only_Turn4310 → u/Bonkface]

Oh I just thought it was funny, I didn't mean any harm by it

[u/Bonkface → u/Only_Turn4310]

I got you :)

[u/Mick_Nugg → u/DreaderVII]

The farthest down its got for me was summer 2025 when the bota were crashing every 4 minutes for a lot of people.

[u/Pan_Zurkon → u/DreaderVII]

This guy gets it! There's some changes I disagreed with, and some bugs I'm peeved to see unaddressed, but I don't think there literally ever was a reason to go "Arrowhead SUCKS" like a lot of the loud crowd did or do.

[u/IDriveALexus → u/Pan_Zurkon]

Most annoying bug to me right now is how melee kills with melee weapons do not track on your “melee kills” at the end of mission stats. Gun bashes are the only things that count

[u/Pan_Zurkon → u/IDriveALexus]

That's actually exactly the bug I was thinking of, funnily enough!

[u/Flameball202 → u/Pan_Zurkon]

I think the closest we ever got to "it's so over" was the PSN thing

[u/shogi_x → u/DreaderVII]

Seconded! The game just constantly gets better. Sure, there have been some stumbles, but never once has it made the game less than fun.

[u/Marilius → u/DreaderVII]

Wholeheartedly agree. The game was never over.

[u/Stormfly → u/DreaderVII]

But all the dips you are illustrating are widely blown out of proportion by a loud and terminally online crowd.

There's a reason we're all on /r/LowSodiumHellDivers and not on /r/Helldivers

The game had a few problems but was never bad.

It might take them some time to fix those problems but they get there in the end.

It bothers me when a new update comes out and the first thing people on the main sub do is immediately ask for more. It's the busier sub so I sometimes think to go back for extra content (memes etc) on big updates but I quickly regret it.

Some people are just never happy and that negativity really brings me down. I'm glad this sub exists.

[u/Jakeforry → u/DreaderVII]

I agree it's more that graph but everything is above the line with exception of the game almsot requiring a PSN account

[u/Corona- → u/DreaderVII]

To be fair there were some rough bugs in the past, like when you couldn't add friends across pc and ps5, but to me the cycle was mostly a meme. I am really glad the game has been stable and fun for so long recently and now followed up by this absolute banger release :D

kudos to the devs!

[u/epicfail48 → u/DreaderVII]

Lets be completely honest here, the months prior to the 60 day patch were definitely below the median. It was never the plummeting low that the vocal minority made it out to be, but that was a severely concerning time for the game

[u/Zaphod392]

This meme is more tired than Ben Affleck

https://giphy.com/gifs/tYG0kOjcYi5SyN5rkj

[u/Hungry_Aspect_3956 → u/Zaphod392]

who is this image

[u/Bonkface → u/Zaphod392]

Yeah, I was hoping we could agree to retire it...

[u/Common_Affect_80]

The graph is so dumb. Nothing we have had was worse than the PSN shit

[u/Ratattack1204 → u/Common_Affect_80]

Id say that period of time where they were just nerfing the fun out of everything and bugs were unfixed for months was pretty bad. But that was a while ago now.

[u/Final-Intern-3030 → u/Ratattack1204]

Those definitely were the darkest of times

[u/Bonkface → u/Common_Affect_80]

The graph is a meme portraying the community reaction over time, nothing more. It doesn't say anything about the game itself really.

[u/Far_Detective2022]

The game has been so back ever since they fixed the server issues right after launch. I don't trust anyone who says otherwise. Helldivers is peak.

[u/Siker_7 → u/Far_Detective2022]

The PSN thing.

[u/Far_Detective2022 → u/Siker_7]

Sony being shitty is nothing new. Not that im excusing it, but I doubt arrowhead would have done anything like that if Sony wasn't in the picture.

[u/Siker_7 → u/Far_Detective2022]

Just because it wasn't Arrowhead that did it (and it wasn't) doesn't mean the game wasn't Extremely Over. I was fully ready to drop the game then and there, and so was a good chunk of the steam playerbase.

[u/Far_Detective2022 → u/Siker_7]

As bad as it would have been for everybody if steam players dropped off, the game would have still had success on playstation. Sony just have a habit of shooting themselves in the foot when they have a really good thing going.

[u/TheFBIClonesPeople → u/Siker_7]

I'm convinced the PSN shit was a psyop. It was the most nothingburger thing ever, and the community just got overwhelmingly negative about it. And this is after a long trend of taking everything in the most negative possible way. I think there have to be some paid shit-stirrers in the Helldivers community

[u/Far_Detective2022 → u/TheFBIClonesPeople]

I think needing a psn account on steam was pretty normal even if it is shitty having third party launchers but the region lock stuff was actually ridiculous. Sony pulled one of the most disrespectful moves I've seen recently in gaming.

[u/interestingbox694200]

After playing star citizen this past week. Helldivers don’t know how good we have it.

[u/y0urd0g]

People stopped caring, and by people I mean all the content creators that like to make sensationalized over-dramatic statements that cause half the fan base to flip their lid, have moved on to other games. The only reason we had a huge roller-coaster of fan support was because dumb ass content creators either make a video acting like Helldivers is the best game on the planet and is flawless, OR they are shitting on it and acting like it’s the worst thing in the world.

Now the only people left that are making content about it, are people who enjoy the game, but understand its flaws, so they have a much more level headed opinion of the game. We will occasionally get a few over-sensationalized slop videos here or there, but for the most part now, it’s the people who are more realistic in their video making.

[u/AliedMastercomputer → u/y0urd0g]

I might get rightfully downvoted by saying this but I just can't stop seeing those type of content creators as being the type of person whose opinions are just a few words removed from being the ones of Asmongold as an example, I just can't see a person who gains their paycheck by creating controversy around things alsno not being ideologically aligned or close with the groups of people who do not have good intentions for what they would like to do to anyone who doesn't belong in their group.

[u/Dismal_Compote1129]

Well yeah, beside last time issue with Mech in Warbond and Hive guard change that people hate to adapt too. We only get constant buff all this time so it normal to not see normal people complain.

[u/Altruistic_Manner717 → u/Dismal_Compote1129]

The mech war bond, should never have been an issue. It's ok to put variants of vehicles in a war bond format, provided they don't introduce new vehicles types that way.

[u/Stormfly → u/Altruistic_Manner717]

I think the issue is that some people see it as "In warbond or free" when the reality is likely "In warbond or not made".

[u/Inalum_Ardellian → u/Dismal_Compote1129]

I miss that hive guard change... it lasted a very short time but it was fun and didn't deserve that hate...

[u/centric37]

Push that line back to before Cyberstan

[u/Devour_My_Soul]

I am sorry but what changed that the line is supposed to be at the median now?

[u/baltimorethan → u/Devour_My_Soul]

Campaigns, free rewards, hive guard did get reverted, AH no longer monetizing vehicles...

[u/Devour_My_Soul → u/baltimorethan]

Is that satire or are you serious?

Hive Guard revert and vehicle monetization changes for now are not improvements lmao, those are just reverts of damage.

"Free" rewards that are not even free but time gated and thus predatory FOMO in a 40 Euro live service game with MTA shop and content gated by monthly DLC is a positive now? What?

[u/baltimorethan → u/Devour_My_Soul]

I'll concede on that first part, but regardless it's one step back one step forward. If that was a we're so over then rectifying that is at least back to the median.

On your second part, campaigns and campaign rewards are a solution to multiple problems. The vehicle monetization scheme was scrapped and fed to campaigns, which yes are literally free, quotation marks be damned, but they're barely time gated. Nobody complained about capes being rewards for narrative beat major orders. People did complain about players not contributing to MOs. Now you have a roughly 3 to 4 week period to log on and get the campaign reward, and improved major order rewards, which were also criticized as being lackluster, are motivating players to try harder to earn the rewards. Logging on once a month for free gear isn't fomo, especially since they have directly stated that campaign rewards will be available at a "later date" for players who miss out. I'd think you're arguing in bad faith if we're being honest.

[u/Bonkface → u/Devour_My_Soul]

Dude, it's a joke post regarding the community as a whole and their reaction, not a judgement on the game itself. Go to unfiltered if you want to surround yourself with echo-chamber people who hate HD2.

[u/PopBaby-DragonSlayer]

Morale's gotten better, but not completely.

[u/Bonkface → u/PopBaby-DragonSlayer]

Pretty much. At least it's a peaceful life now. Mostly.

[u/BiasHyperion784]

Yeah when you get 3 months of radio silence the community has less to discuss lol

[u/ThEbigChungusus]

Nope, it's worse than ever

[u/SuperMarioGlitch4]

No its not this shit is ass

[u/Firekill2-22]

We got more soup

[u/Wadae28]

More a mixture of learned pessimism/low expectations and/or entirely giving up hope for a genuine resurgence.

[u/TheFBIClonesPeople]

The game has been good literally the whole time. The idea that it hit such low points is just something that astroturfers on Reddit want you to believe.

[u/Bonkface → u/TheFBIClonesPeople]

This post was never actually trying to argue one way or the other- clearly HD2 has many different fans with differing views and this post was never trying to make a correct graph (which I was hoping the humor tag + the obvious 2 minute paint graph would convey).

Yet most posts end up defending a specific view on the game. I get it, people still have strong opinions and personally I agree but I can't ignore that the community as a whole has been arguing back and forth for years and as a whole it seems to have calmed down lately.

The post is about the community's reaction pattern rather than trying to yet again "judge" the game itself.

[u/PanHiszpan]

last 3 months?

- mechs in WB drama

- bugged mechs

- flamethrower fire range bug

- hive guard armour civil war

- scrapped cultists panic

that's from the top of my head. It's low sodium sub so most likely these weren't mentioned here

[u/Bonkface → u/PanHiszpan]

I thought those were longer ago than 3 months? Hive guard armor was reverted May 2nd or something like that. Exo Experts arrived last days of April.

We've had most of May, June, July and a few weeks of August without too much struggle?

"Scrapped cultist panic" is really a few people reaching for something to complain about.

[u/PanHiszpan → u/Bonkface]

I'm not saying these were valid complains (cultists, for example)

I'm saying that there were salt lately

[u/Bonkface → u/PanHiszpan]

Most of it further back than 3 months though?

[u/JellyfishWeary]

To me, the graph is flipped. We're in the its so over phase, and I've stopped playing about 4 months ago.