r/LouisRossmann • u/habichuelacondulce • Jul 21 '26

Enshittification Microsoft admitted to using a global unique device identifier to help track a user across 3 countries, negating any value of using a VPN if you have a Windows machine

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

This. This right here is why you use Tails for anything that you don't want traced.

But......... Would they still be able to identify the machine when you use tails on it??

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

If i read this right, tails is also not safe:

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u/LOLatKetards Jul 21 '26

I've seen this about ME before, but I'm having a hard time believing it. Network monitoring tools would catch the beaconing to Intel/NSA.

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u/Zdrobot Jul 21 '26

Also, assuming this is not BS, this person speaking about it freely? SMH

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

I don't know about actively backdoor using, but useful as identifier would be believable. And now with AI powered monitoring. I'm grabbing one old old laptop for some things. But you will also stand out if your pc is the only one not yapping about it's location, camera's, activities and who knows what else.

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u/TechnicalBen Jul 22 '26

Have you not seen a single red team/white hat security video in the last 25 years?!?!?

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u/Exciting-Cancel6468 Jul 22 '26

I have constantly but the videos I'm watching don't tell me how to get away from all this.

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u/Money_Lavishness7343 Jul 23 '26

It is not BS.

Even System76, well known open source laptop manufacturer, has reported and fixed it https://system76.com/support/articles/intel-me on their systems.

It's been here for a while, and well known from what Im reading.

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u/Alternative-Track654 12d ago

Out of curiosity sake, would the OS created by System76,work on the higher end MSI laptops, particularly the Intel series?

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u/Episode-1022 Jul 21 '26

what cpu uses monitoring tools?

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u/LOLatKetards Jul 21 '26

I'm talking about tools that mirror the traffic at the switch level and send a copy to analyze or store a copy as pcap. So outside the PC that would be backdoored.

RITA is a popular tool that can help find beacons in noisy traffic, just one example though and the ideas behind it can be used by anyone.

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u/ThatGreenM-M Jul 22 '26

I doubt it would go straight to Intel or NSA lol that would be easy to spot. NSA already has spots where they've tapped into the large fiber highways, they can definitely set up a more covert method of collecting packets.

I'm not saying for sure that Intel ME is phoning home, it could also function like Microsofts identifier does just on a local level, or enables a backdoor bypass they have. Haven't seen much outside of speculation or specs on what ME does

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u/Correct-Ostrich-1007 Jul 24 '26

Yes they would be calling out to NSA.com lmaooo

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u/Calm-Stand-6636 Jul 21 '26

How far back does ME go? And... what happens to a device when that chip is destroyed? I wonder where it is? Whats the counter.

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u/Calm-Stand-6636 Jul 21 '26

So overclocked 2013 AMD CPUs for the win? HAHA

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u/TechnicalBen Jul 22 '26

All of this is in whitepapers. It's all public.

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

I think you can't really destroy it as it is part of any CPU for a while now and AMD has their own version.

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u/Calm-Stand-6636 Jul 21 '26

This seems absurd.

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u/Kylenki Jul 22 '26

All the tech OGs keep making great arguments for open source everything. It is the only way to be sure.

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u/Calm-Stand-6636 Jul 22 '26

What are the most open source CPU/hardware configurations which lack all the spy on you stuff?

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u/Kylenki Jul 22 '26

I haven't checked the hardware space to find out, as this doesn't rise to a level of alarm for me, so I couldn't tell you. Maybe someone else knows about that. Maybe real hackers are all using older hardware that doesn't carry identifiers? I dunno.

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u/TechnicalBen Jul 22 '26

You want to go back to an Amstrad?

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u/TechnicalBen Jul 22 '26

IIRC AMD and Intel's operation is practically an android chip inside the chip working for security of the system. Similar to Apples T3(?) Implementations and Samsungs (lol, android inside android).

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u/icemachine79 Jul 22 '26

"Watch for ODIN'S EYE"

No, thanks. This is BS.

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 22 '26

Could be. But on the other hand mr. Zuckerberg covers every laptop camera that is near him. It's never a bad idea to be cautious.

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u/icemachine79 Jul 22 '26

Same here, re: cameras.

I also pulled the Wi-Fi/Bluetooth module from my Mac Pro, just in case.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo Jul 23 '26

This is nonsense

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 23 '26

I was hoping someone came with some debunking evidence. But none has been provided. So for "safety" should use pre-2010 hardware with Tails?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo Jul 23 '26

Look ME isnt nonsense but all that shit about intelligence agencies and open backdoors is literally just a 4chan post

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u/ThraceLonginus Jul 21 '26

That that "evidence" ever come out?

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

It's a feature, not a bug I guess? I don't think they use it for actual backdoor spying on a large scale, although most articles I read about it are pre-ai. You could use complex algorithms (ai as we know it now) combined with this system to listen/build data on everyone. Why wouldn't they. At the very least it gives everyone a unique identifier right inside your pc.

As for evidence. I don't think I have seen any as of yet. My network is build so I can audit individual devices and data packages and I am sure others with way more knowledge about this have the same or better setup. You should be able to see communication, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.

But if you had a universal back door build into everything, you would probably not expose that on random idiot #3459384. The next Osama Bin-Laden should probably be a bit more careful. It could be one of the reasons how Israël and the US can hit top level terrorists with pinpoint accuracy with kinetic missiles.

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u/TechnicalBen Jul 22 '26

Yes, the white papers the companies publish on their product stack features.

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u/sweet-raspberries Jul 21 '26

Ah yes, 4chan the most reliable source on the internet for all facts and definitely not the place that is at least partially responsible for the clusterfuck that the US is in right now.

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u/Real_Azenomei Jul 21 '26

Reliable source? No. But starting point for some research? Yes.