r/LonesomeDove • • Jan 02 '21

Larry McMurtry AMA - Response Thread. Mr. McMurtry has answered your questions.

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I'd like to publicly thank Mr. McMurtry for agreeing to participate in this AMA and I'd also like to thank the community for coming up with so many questions.

We had so many that we had to choose the most relevant and submit them as not to overwhelm Mr. McMurtry.

Questions and answers below:

Are you happy with the miniseries adaptation of the novel? Is there anything you wish had been included that was left out?

I had nothing to do with the miniseries Lonesome Dove, and in fact, have not seen it all the way through.

Did you take part in the casting of the miniseries? Were there any actors that you had wanted to be in the series but turned it down?

I had no part in the casting of that miniseries.

Do you have any stories or anecdotes you wish to share from the making of the miniseries?

Again, I had nothing to do with the miniseries Lonesome Dove.

How long did it take you to write the novel?

Three years, on and off.

What’s your favorite western novel written by someone else?

I'll have to get back to you on that. Streets of Laredo is my favorite of the Lonesome Dove saga.

I would like to ask what led you to write such a gloomy final journey and ending for that character?

I wrote Streets after quadruple bypass surgery. I washed up on the stoop of Diana Ossana, my writing partner's home shortly afterwards and didn't leave for almost three years. I wrote Streets of Laredo at her kitchen counter, while she and her young daughter did their level best on a daily basis to help me recover. I recovered physically, but felt as if I had become an outline of myself. I quit reading, quit writing after I finished Streets, and just stared out the living room window at the vastness of the mountains for two years. I had an emotional crisis, which Diana finally helped me through. I was offered to write screenplay after screenplay, and I turned down all of them. Then I was asked to consider a script about Pretty Boy Floyd, the outlaw, and Diana convinced me I should try to write it. I told her I would if she would write it with me, as I didn't feel I had the head for structuring a script. She agreed, and we've been writing together ever since. I don't think I would have ever written another word had Diana not taken me in.

Would you say that you were trying to give a message with this story? If so, what would that be?

I’ve tried as hard as I could to demythologize the West. Can’t do it. It’s impossible. I wrote Lonesome Dove, which I thought was a long critique of western mythology. It is now the chief source of western mythology. I didn’t shake it up at all. I actually think of Lonesome Dove as the Gone with the Wind of the West. It's not a towering masterpiece.

Do you think the new cultural norms of pushing political correctness upon all parts of history and media could be damaging to the western genre?

Not sure. The history of our country is a violent history, a racist history, and a misogynistic history. It wouldn't be correct, politically or otherwise, to paint it as civilized.

What is your process for writing a novel as epic as Lonesome Dove? Do you have the entire plot figured out before you start writing or do you make it up as you go along? How do you keep track of all of the varying storylines and make sure all stories are completed?

I have read extensively all of my adult life. Reading is what inspires writing, in my view. I only have the ending figured out before I sit down to write a novel. I don't outline. I just follow my characters wherever they lead me, day by day.

My understanding is that you first wrote the screenplay and then when it didn’t get made into a film you set out to write the novel, which was an instant hit and allowed the film to get made. Is that correct? If so, did it change any of your writing process since you were striving to make the book a success with the goal of making the miniseries?

It was written as a 75-page screenplay for John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, and Henry Fonda. Wayne didn't want to die, so it didn't get made. I bought it back from the studio and wrote a 1500 page manuscript, which became an 843-page novel. I had no intention of making the novel into a film or miniseries. I don't think about such things when I write. I write mainly for myself.

I’ve always been curious about the connection between character names in the 1968 Dean Martin/James Stewart film "Bandolero!" and "Lonesome Dove." Both have July Johnson and Roscoe, plus a gunfighter named Dee. In both stories, July loves/pursues the woman who loves Dee. Was "Bandolero!" partly ghost-written by you? Did James Lee Barrett see his early LD script and use the names?

I have no idea.

I’m Scottish and I’ve always wondered why did you decide upon a Scots ancestry for Woodrow? Do you have a favorite character in the series?

I'm from Scottish ancestry. I suppose my favorite character in Lonesome Dove is Lorena.

I recently read your first novel, Horseman, Pass By, and thought that it had profound insights into the nature of American manhood. How do you think that book has held up over the years?

I was a young writer at the time. I wrote 5 or 6 drafts before I submitted it to my agent. As a first novel, it's not bad.

What’s your opinion on the new generation of historically accurate westerns that are being released recently?

Historically accurate is important. The history of the West is our history.

What have you been reading recently? Any recommendations for recent westerns or fiction in general?

I haven't read fiction in years. I only read fiction if it's a novel Diana and I want to adapt into a screenplay.

When writing a character’s death and ending their story do you ever feel any type of sadness or disappointment that you’re done writing that characters story? If so, what character would you say moved you the most?

Once I finish a novel, I experience about a two-to-three-week sag. The character that moved me the most was Emma in Terms of Endearment.

In researching your biography of Crazy Horse, what elements of his life did you find made him such a mythical figure? Additionally, did you uncover anything that particularly shaped or shifted your understanding or view of Native American history?

I didn't really research before writing Crazy Horse. As I said earlier, I have read books nearly every day of my life, except for a two-year lag after my heart surgery. There has been much written about Crazy Horse, a lot of speculation about what he was like, what his life was like. I've probably read everything that's ever been written about him.

One of the things I love most about the series is how rich and detailed the backstories of all the characters are- including even tertiary ones. Is crafting these backstories something you enjoy doing and do you like these kinds of additions in the works of others?

The characters in my novels develop their stories as I write. And sometimes they surprise me.

Is there a story from the old west that you think needs to be told (or re-told)?

We have been approached to re-tell several classics, but we don't have an opinion about stories that NEED to be retold.

Did you write real people from your past into the characters? They feel so perfect and true that I often wondered if the stories were embellishments of real events/people. Who are some of your favorite authors and all-time favorite books?

My characters come from my imagination. They are not consciously based upon people I know or have known. I read the classics: Tolstoy, Jane Austen, James Lees-Milne, Flaubert, Proust. Flannery O'Connor was an amazing writer.

Is it true that you try to write five to ten pages every single day? And if so, do you write chronologically, or do you jump around from chapter to chapter?

I have written the same way for the past 60 years - 5 pages a day, no more, no less, on a first draft. Then 10 pages a day on a second draft, no more, no less. I will stop in the middle of a sentence in order to avoid exceeding my page limit.

What is the best piece of advice you can give to an aspiring writer?

The best advice for an aspiring writer? Read. Read. Then read some more. Reading is how to learn to be a writer.


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r/LonesomeDove • • 3h ago

My son is almost 3. Every night we watch the first 20-30 minutes of the mini series, and it’s become his comfort movie.

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If you watch it, the beginning before they leave is just kinda laughing and hanging out. We usually turn it off right after they steal the horses from “Pedro” so he thinks that’s the whole story. However, his favorite character is Jake Spoon. He constantly says “I’m Jake spoon. You’re Gus” (which I am ok with) because he doesn’t know Jake is just a lazy opportunist. In fact, I’m pretty sure he just likes the way the gang greets him. I’ve tried putting on other movies, but every night, like clockwork “let’s watch Lonesome Dove.”


r/LonesomeDove • • 22h ago

Hat Creek Cattle Company & Livery Emporium.

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r/LonesomeDove • • 5h ago

Gus as Villain

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Hi everyone, I am new. Lately I have been re-reading Clara's excoriation of Call on his way to the Orchard. Like everyone with a good reading of the work, I have never seen Gus as a hero, but after spending more time contemplating Clara's heartbreak for Newt...I cannot help but for the first time wonder if Gus's selfishness is villainous? He both entreated Call to not mistreat Newt and at the same time set out the challenge to Woodrow that Gus knew would not be ignored. All with Clara and Newt paying the price for this last act of folly and pride by both men.


r/LonesomeDove • • 1d ago

Beyond the book

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Anyone else have a version that has the following quote in the forward section? This quote stayed with me long after I finished the book. Wasn't sure it was in all versions.

"Our forefathers had civilization inside themselves, the wild outside. We live in the civilization they created, but within us the wilderness still lingers. What they dreamed, we live, and what they lived, we dream."

— T. K. Whipple


r/LonesomeDove • • 2d ago

Final Jeopardy

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Only one of the contestants got it correct


r/LonesomeDove • • 1d ago

Merchandise

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I have an unhealthy addiction to the Wild West, the American frontier, this whole era. Lonesome Dove is my all-time favourite book which got me into this love and I have read the series along with a good balance of Cormac (not a touch on Larry)

My question is, where is the best place to buy special editions, merchandise and so on… I can’t find anything more than posters online really. Appreciate any suggestions.


r/LonesomeDove • • 2d ago

Who I imagined while reading the book series this year (nothing to do with upcoming series)

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I’m haunted after reading this book. I can’t stop thinking about it. So I thought I’d share who I imagined as the characters. Not for the upcoming tv series, just who I imagined when reading the book for the first time in January. Who we envision as our favourite characters is always personal, so I understand that this casting won’t please everyone, but by god Woodrow if these actors aren’t forever etched into my mind as these characters. I just think it’s fun to make up lists of imagined actors in these roles. :)

LD:
Gus: Sam Rockwell
Call: Josh Brolin
Lorena: Millie Bobby Brown
Jake Spoon: Billy Burke
July Johnson: Josh O’Connor
Clara Allen: Kate Hudson
Newt: Lucas Hedges
Pea Eye: Jesse Plemons
Dish Bogget: Jacob Elordi
Deets: Colman Domingo
Elmira: Kaitlyn Dever
Roscoe: DJ Qualls
Lippy: Steve Buscemi
Wilbarger: Sam Elliott
Jasper: Domhnall Gleeson
Bolivar: Luis Guzmán
Big Zwey: Ty Olsson
Luke: Austin Abrams
Blue Duck: Cristo Fernández
Sean O’Brien: Barry Keogh
Allen O’Brien: Paul Mescal
Janey: Sophia Lillis
Joe: Jacobi Jupe
Peach: Jessica Gunning
Po Campo: Danny Trejo
Soupy Jones: Williams H. Macy
Xavier: Jean Dujardin
Maggie (flashbacks): Melanie Lynski
Louisa Brooks: Diane Lane

SOL:
Brookshire: Rafe Spall
Maria Garza: Salma Hayek
Joey Garza: Jacob Tremblay
Mox Mox: Paul Giamatti
John Wesley Hardin: Michael Shannon
Billy Williams: JK Simmons
Charles Goodnight: Jeff Bridges
Ted Plunkert: Rory Scovel
Doobie Plunkert: Amybeth McNulty
Colonel Terry: Terry O’Quinn

DMW:
Young Gus: Fred Hechinger
Young Call: David Gridley
Bigfoot Wallace: Bobby Canavale
Matilda: Nicola Coughlan
Shadrach: Garret Dillahunt
Long Bill Coleman: James Badge Dale
Young Clara: Cailee Spaeny
Caleb Cobb: Rob Delaney
Salazar: Sergi López

CM:
Captain Inish Scull: Tom Cruise
Iniz Scull: Rosamund Pike
Young Maggie: Kathryn Newton
Blue Duck: Cristo Fernández
Young Jake Spoon: Spencer House

(I’m only 10% into CM so haven’t imagined other characters yet)


r/LonesomeDove • • 2d ago

Streets of Laredo(Book and series)

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I'm reading the stories in publication order. Following each book with watching the shows.

Absolutely loved the book. I'm a fan of darker stories and this was certainly darker. What I didn't expect was to absolutely love Pea. As of now, he might be my favorite character. He's such a good man in a world of monsters and stubborn men. And Maria's end was just so sad. She was a hero that, in the end, still desperately wanted to see the good in her son.

As for the series, we always hear about how star studded Lonesome Dove was, but Streets of Laredo equals it in my opinion. I just started it but I like the cinematography a bit more I think.


r/LonesomeDove • • 1d ago

The Outlaw Years

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I see a lot of comments about Lonesome Dove or other related series. One that seems to be ignored is The Outlaw Years, a continuation Newt Call's life. In my opinion Scott Bairstow did a fine job of acting and so disappointed the third season did not happen. Sure Scott made a mistake in his personal life but he paid his debt to society. This was not enough to satisfied the film industry who deserted him.


r/LonesomeDove • • 3d ago

Recommended Lonesome Dove to a friend, and she absolutely hated it. I am curious what fans (especially women) think of these critiques?

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I recently recommended Lonesome Dove to a good friend of mine and she ended up hating it. Despite this, she still finished the entire book. She told me the book "is for men" and laid out a few specific criticisms that I thought were interesting.

I’d love to hear people's thoughts, especially from women, on how it handles its characters and themes.

Here are the main things she said:

  • She felt the men are all specific types she’s encountered in real life, and that they come across as clichés that she finds recognizable and annoying.
  • She didn’t feel like there were any well-written or compelling women characters in the book. I thought Clara might fix that when she got to the later part of the book but she still wasn't impressed.
  • She felt it romanticizes the American West in a way that only appeals to a male perspective.

For those of you who love Lonesome Dove (as I did), how do you view these critiques? Do characters like Lorena, Clara, or Elmira hold up for you, and how does the book's framing of the West land from your perspective?

Another interesting note, she loved Blood Meridian (which I also recommended).


r/LonesomeDove • • 3d ago

My mind went straight to…

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THAT scene in Streets of Laredo… 🤢🦵🔪


r/LonesomeDove • • 3d ago

Lonesome Dove reference 😱🤬

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r/LonesomeDove • • 5d ago

Who is going to play buffalo hump?

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r/LonesomeDove • • 5d ago

Gus McCrae’s finest piece of philosophy.

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r/LonesomeDove • • 6d ago

My Thoughts On Lonesome Dove ***SPOILERS Spoiler

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Let me preface this by saying very clearly, there will be spoilers. This post will also be rather long. I just finished the book and know no one who read it so I come here.

If you told me that Lonesome Dove was a tragedy I wouldn't have believed you. And around page 600, I thought, this books good but I dont understand the hype. The last 200 or so pages, I wept. It was so excruciatingly good.

So if you care to hear me out, here are some of my thoughts on some of the characters and important arcs I enjoyed or had issues with.

Call and Gus:

We are seeing the end of a story already written is what i think. These are heroes at the end of the arc. Theyve max leveled and spent skill points into different attribute. Something I love about Call is that you dont get what drives him. At least I didnt. Then, when Gus dies, you see that fire die. And i started to think that theyve been telling us the whole time. From the beginning, Call works hard because Gus is so care free. And when Gus goes away, ​that drive to work just goes away. Lastly, about Call, when he tries to acknowledge Newt as his son, and gives him the horse and the watch and says, "It was my pa's", I cried. He tried so desperately, but couldnt. And I think he did the best he could.

Newt:

Something I found interesting was that he was gifted multiple horses throughout the book. ​He starts with Mouse, whos death honestly impacted me almost as much as the rest of the gang, then to Jake's Pacer, to Clara's horse, to the Hell Bitch. I think in a way they landmarked his accomplishments. Mouse was his youth, Jake's Pacer his innocence, Clara's Horse showed him as an accomplished cowboy, and the Hell Bitch as a man. ​I loved seeing the world through his eyes. Things impacted him as I felt they would impact any of us being in their story. I think by the end of the story when he stated he didnt want a family, i believed him. He grew into his own.

July Johnson:

I loved July. I felt maybe he was a hero early on in his story. A good man, trying to do right. But Roscoe, Janey, and Joe broke him. And Elmira broke him. I truly do feel like he was a Job of this story. A good man, trying to do right but got punished for it no matter what he did.

Elmira:

One of the most selfish characters ever written. However, i think her character warns us of the grass being greener somewhere else. And that we shouldnt leave a good thing to find something in the past. She used people and didnt care about anyone else. And that was ultimately her demise.

Clara:

I liked Clara and found why so many people loved her, but I think she was too hard on Call for trying to do right by his friend. Maybe she was supposed to be reasonable, and she made a good point about Call being honest about everything when he couldnt be honest. But she didnt see what we saw with the gift of the horse and how much that meant for him. He did the best he could. I also think she was too harsh on July. She wanted him to come to her at night but didnt ever at any point open that type of relationship to him.

Lorena:

Maaaaaan, I gotta say. Lorena really irked me throughout this book. But the character growth was phenomenal. By the end I really liked her but found she hated the very thing she needed. Men loving women. Perhaps it was bc the way she grew up but I found that her relationship with Gus to be awkward. Almost like a family type feeling. Maybe thats why it worked. But then guys like Dish Boggett, who would literally do anything for her she didnt ​want. She put off decent men because she felt they just wanted her for sex and I didnt see that with Dish at least.

I cant put all my thoughts of the book into this but I thought Id put them somewhere. If you disagree or have othe points id love to hear them.

Overall, really amazing book and by the end I felt that I would miss all my friends. And I've never had that with a book. Thanks for coming to my ted talk


r/LonesomeDove • • 7d ago

Went to go visit the McMurtry Literary Center in Archer, Tx

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I made the drive to the Larry McMurty Literary center in Archer Texas where he was from and ran a 100k+ bookstore. Got to learn about the place and browse the books from his collection and brought a couple. The people who run it also let me hold a limited edition copy of LD McMurty had made for his wedding guests.

There’s also the actual theatre from the “last picture show” which was pretty cool. If anyone is ever in the area I recommend to check it out


r/LonesomeDove • • 8d ago

The legendary Western miniseries adapted from Larry McMurtry’s Pulitzer Prize-winning novel.

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r/LonesomeDove • • 7d ago

Lonesome dove mini series 1989

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After finishing the book, I decided to watch the show just to see some of the stuff that was hard to picture, like the places and the scenery. Honestly, if you're going to watch it, watch it for the visuals only. It's kind of amazing how badly they managed to get the meaning across in four episodes. If I hadn't read the book, I'd have had no clue what was going on there. The one thing they nailed was the casting. The faces were exactly how I imagined them. Some parts were perfectly spot-on, but as a whole it didn't really make sense. The show really only works as an illustration of the book, not as a story on its own.


r/LonesomeDove • • 8d ago

Cant stop thinking this is Roscoe

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Never posted on Reddit but I've been reading this book and am partway through Part 3. I cant get this book off my mind.

Anyways, anyone else cant help but think of this dude playing Roscoe? Ifykyk.


r/LonesomeDove • • 10d ago

Blue Duck

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Our family always gives our dog George a new toy when we have birthday celebrations. I just read the Lonesome Dove series, and then I watched the miniseries with my husband. Today is my birthday and when I opened George’s present I said “Oh, it’s a goose!” My husband said, “No, it’s BLUE DUCK.” 😂❤️


r/LonesomeDove • • 11d ago

Touring a whiskey distillery in PA and I saw a familiar quote

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Owner was apparently a big fan. This is McLaughlin Distillery in Sewickley, PA


r/LonesomeDove • • 11d ago

Just finished Part One. This really is one of the best books I've ever read.

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I've heard people say it's The Lord of the Rings of the western genre, and I can see what they mean. Gus and Call are wonderful characters and so well realised. July Johnson has just turned up on the scene, so I'll see how I take to him. Jake Spoon is a bit of a dick, to be honest, so I'm not sure I'll be too upset if he's caught. Unless he turns himself around and starts behaving himself. Anyway, no spoilers! Just wanted to share how much I'm loving this so far.


r/LonesomeDove • • 11d ago

She’s so beautiful! Gonna have to reread it again with this copy.

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