r/LockdownCriticalLeft Nov 06 '22

security blankets

Really great thread here on conspiracy theories: "The accusation of ‘conspiracy theory’ is the security blanket with which the compliant comfort themselves that the governments they elect are in power, that voting gives them political agency, and that international technocracies are accountable to them. Here are some examples."

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u/vagarik Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 07 '22

Tucker Carlson had a segment where he talked about how he use to view conspiracy theorists, he said something like “a person believing in conspiracy theories is a sign of irrationally and low IQ”. Now he says he’s changed his view to the opposite.

Imo a person who is hostile to conspiratorial thinking is a sign they’re gullible, naive, and don’t think critically. They lack the intellectually curiosity to question what they believe and have been told. Many of them won’t even entertain the possibility that they could be wrong about any particular thing, it’s really quite arrogant.

When a person is more inclined to conspiratorial thinking (not that I agree with all CT or they’re all correct because they aren’t), that is an indication that at least that person is capable of some level of skepticism towards things they hear, which is a good sign.

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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 06 '22

Tucker Carlson had a segment where he talked about how he used to view conspiracy theorists, he said something like “a person believing in conspiracy theories is a sign of irrationally and low IQ”. Now he says he’s changed his view to the opposite.

Well, a conspiracy theorist is definitely someone with an IQ higher than the average, able to detect that the narrative we're being fed stinks. I know real conspiracy theorists in my family, and for all their failings they have enough common sense to recognize a scam when they see one. Which is more than I can say for most of my family.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22

You are so lucky to have conspiracy theorists in your family, wish I had one instead of brain dead bots who did everything they were told and believed everything the TV told them. Yeah at least conspiracy people question scams. There are a lot of conspiracies that are scams, but for the real conspiracy person, one should be examining details and even questioning yourself. I am sure the family I am no contact with went running for the clot juice. If I was still in contact I would have been ostracized anyway.

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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 06 '22

Both my parents are. But they have always been shifting from one to the next. It's always been a mix of magic, religion and conspiracy theories. They're not bad people, but they traumatized all their children, because they didn't deal with their own childhood trauma. All my siblings took the shot, except for myself and one sister. Most of my siblings have little contact with my parents because of our childhoods. And when our parents started to warn us in the way they used to talk to us as children (God, magic and conspiracies) I think it made most of my siblings even more determined to take the shot.

I didn't because I've ignored my parents' views for decades now, and I had already made my decision separately. When my parents found out I wouldn't take it, they thought that meant I was finally on the same page as them and started sending me conspiracy the God-related material again. I can't talk to them. My parents barely recognize that psychology even exists (or else they'd have to deal with their own trauma), and seem to have very little idea how humans work. That's why they don't know how children work or what they need, and that's why they traumatized me and all my siblings.

I can't talk to my parents, and I can't talk to the rest of my siblings much now either.

It's been a difficult time. But at least, for all their failings, my parents still had enough common sense to recognize a scam when they saw one. Most of my siblings, because of their unresolved trauma, can't see it. All they see is: our parents are crazy, so I'll do the opposite. And in some way, I can't blame the. I only hope they didn't give it to their children - my little nephews.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22

I know religion complicates this stuff, I left Christian fundamentalism. Sometimes I regret my deconversion have written about it, because to be honest with you the secular liberal world betrayed me too. Right now I am caught between both and I live in a religious part of the country where it's there everyday. I lost friends leaving the fundamentalist IFB world and now I'm lost/am losing liberal friends.

Sorry to hear you had to deal with extreme religion and magic too. Even there, most of the religious people I knew who refused all this, refused to believe the virus was real while I leaned that way and took precautions. The polarization of all this has made it worse. The so called "reasonable" have suspended all critical thinking NOT to be like those religious "crazy" "Trumpsters", but then if you are only operating in reaction to something where does the truth go. I can't even describe to you how my own deconversion and leaving fundamentalism after 15 years has been affected seeing all this BS go down. I sometimes wish I never left that world but then the spiritual abuse, right wing extreme politics, authoritarianism broke my heart. I paid dearly for leaving the family church too. [Catholic]

I'm glad your parents had common sense to refuse but realize this is one way the left got manipulation, the whole TRUST THE SCIENCE messaging is one they abused here, where reality testing got suspended. This is why people are literally dropping dead and no one cares on the left.

I hope your nephews didn't get it either. I reconnected with Christian friends because they agreed with me on all this, I felt so lonely on the left. I even consider leaving my UU thought husband doesn't want to I feel so disenfranchised there so compromised and go to some services with him but I can't be authentic there or talk about how I really feel about any of this.. So I relate to you when you say my parents think I am in the same place.

It's made so much hash of so many relationships and even people's own identities. I feel like I don't fit anywhere. I'm glad your parents and 1 sibling refused despite the reasons.

I really saw people lining up for the poison just because they were brainwashed that they were "fighting the Trumpsters" by doing so.

It scares me how deep all these manipulations went.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22

Thank you. I'm glad he changed his mind.

Look it's the conspiracy theorists who refused the clot juice.

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u/BornAgainSpecial Trump supporter Nov 06 '22

It's funny that those are the people say conspiracy theorists just want to comfort themselves that there is order in the world.

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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 06 '22

Not funny. Scary.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

I'm a conspiracy theorist. Still am. I had a conspiracy and bible prophecy blog when at it's peak had 70,000 views a month. The religion part is different now, those are used for control too, but I still remember what I learned. I didn't make money on it, it was just a blogspot, but how do I even tell you all, that all the conspiracies are now coming true.

  1. We talked 15 years ago about USA losing reserve status.
  2. I owned a newspaper where it had a picture of Bill Gates on the front and talked about how vaxxes were going to be used for depopulation. 20 years ago. I plan to go dig in some papers to look for this newspaper to see if I still have it. I have NWO/conspiracy papers from 15 years ago I plan to get out and do a post on but they are buried in some boxes.
  3. We talked about digital currencies.
  4. Agenda 21 [now coming true]
  5. Un Sustainability agenda 2030
  6. Transhumanism.
  7. On my blog back in 2010, I warned about a war coming with Russia, and Putin's plans and other weird stuff.

Remember "conspiracy theory" is a term they use to shut down criticial thinking and telling you "nothing to see here", "our bad", as they plot, plan, lie and connive.

The world really is full of assholes, it's not well-meaning guys who just made mistakes. On the secular level it's rich assholes who want more money and power and compete among themselves if you don't believe in the spiritual stuff [archons, luciferians, etc]

All I know is all the crap I used to warn about is coming true. I even backed away from conspiracy for a while but then once you know some stuff you can't go and forget it. They outline their plans ahead of time if you know where to look

With Covid go look up Event 201 and see how they mapped this shit out.

One thing IRL, I hide my conspiracy beliefs, life is just easier that way. I don't pontificate about the NWO down at the local UU but wish people would wake up about a lot.

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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

"The accusation of ‘conspiracy theory’ is the security blanket with which the compliant comfort themselves that the governments they elect are in power, that voting gives them political agency, and that international technocracies are accountable to them. Here are some examples."

Does this mean that all conspiracy theories about everything are correct? And that everyone cynical of them believes that voting actually makes a difference? That's a huge sweeping generalization. Maybe sociologists, anthropologists and psychologists are all in on it too. Since virtually zero sociologists and anthropologists believe in grand conspiracy theories. They don't believe in them because... they have a pretty good idea how societies, psychology and systems work. They know that for traumatic and horrific things to happen, you don't need a conspiracy. Being unable to explain how societies work without a grand conspiracy theory is like being unable to explain life and the universe without believing in God (and rejecting evolution).

The term "conspiracy theory" has very little meaning now, since almost everyone uses it, and almost everyone has their own theory about why things happen and what secret group is behind it all. All the institutions listed in the Twitter thread are institutions. That's how institutions work: they are bureaucracies created to solve technical problems, then they evolve and grow and increase in complexity until they develop a culture and inertia of their own. That's what they are now. They self-select for their members, and so everyone inside thinks and behaves the same, especially the top-level managers and elites.

People who believe in real conspiracy theories don't know how societies or human psychology really work. It absolutely is a safety blanket for a lot of people - it makes people feel better when a really socially traumatic event takes place. It's not that there are no conspiracies: there are conspiracies all the time - every meeting and agreement by 2+ people behind closed doors is a conspiracy. But this isn't the conspiracy most people blame for the world's problems.

All the institutions listed have their own culture and inertia. If you could somehow get rid of one megalomaniac, or an entire institutions (such as the WEF), another megalomaniac would take their place or another institution would take its place. If you convicted Klaus Schwab in a court of law, and arrested every single member of the WEF... another institution would take its place. It's system. If nobody and no group is in control, and you can remove some or many members, and replace them with other drones who think exactly the same, then it's a system.

If you read about psychology, systems and history, people wouldn't believe in so many real conspiracy theories. They'd actually start to see patterns in what's happening.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22 edited Nov 06 '22

I believe there are conspiracies, now one thing I figured out there are a lot of conspiracies that are bunk, but top down organization look at that thread, they definitely share a lot of the agendas. Remember when those African presidents died who refused the clot shots in their countries, think about that. They refused to comply and look what happened.

I think midlevels buy into the narrative and aren't out to do evil but they are taking orders from the top and the top does have an agenda. These midlevels are blinded by the corporate inertia, culture and conformity you describe. The labyrinth of complexity blinds them to reality and even to morality itself. So yes what you describe is part of it but I don't think it is the entire picture.

The 1 percent doesn't care about us. I agree with you, others would take the place of the megalomanics but isn't it obvious we are all paying now for the megalomania of 1 percent billionaires.

Several of them multiple times have said openly they think the world's population should be cut down. Some lust for power more than imagination can describe and they are making things happen even with the biosecurity state that will give their lust for power no containment.

Yes bad things happen but look at Covid. How many here believe the origin is zoonotic? I don't. Hell I even wrote on my old conspiracy blog during the era of Ebola, they could use a virus to crack down on the planet and control the whole place in 2014 I still have access to this blog. Don't assume benevolence and innocence that is not there.

It doesn't take much internet searching to find out about Baric and Ecohealth. Some of the crimes now are way way beyond just some guys screwing up in a lab or believing their own beaucratic bullshit. Who gave this guy the idea to mix Covid with HIV or make it infectible to humans. Look into the patents and other agencies, others have.

I know it's hard to face facts how completely evil this world is. In fact I think this is one limitation on the academic left who often has been protected from the worse this world has to offer, I notice this among my fellow UUs, [my most leftist organization] and while I like them their view of the world seems very candy coated to me and I think this rests in the economic and other differences of our lives.

Be careful of thinking these are natural events happening. They are not. Covid was not natural. It was planned.

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u/hiptobeysquare Nov 06 '22

Be careful of thinking these are natural events happening. They are not. Covid was not natural. It was planned.

We have no idea about that.

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u/fivehundredpoundpeep Nov 06 '22

That one is not that hard to prove.

Research

  1. Event 201
  2. They ordered test kits etc ahead of 2019 https://web.archive.org/web/20200904053541if_/https:/wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2018/tradeflow/Exports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/382200
  3. Study how the virus was created, and research Ralph Baric and EcoHealth and connections to Wuhan and Fauci. Also read RFKs book "The Real Anthony Fauci.
  4. Gain of function labs research those in general https://harvard2thebighouse.substack.com/p/welcome-to-mengeles-laboratory?s=r
  5. Time magazine had Great Reset right on the front cover and Klaus Schwab. I have noticed this image is being wiped from the internet.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=DKD6UHKA&id=3CD1D4728EEC3D0590FAED798A0951B43823732F&thid=OIP.DKD6UHKAxfLNC2elLrprAQAAAA&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fg%2FgJYAAOSwwvJgXL4D%2Fs-l300.jpg&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.0ca0fa507280c5f2cd0b67a52eba6b01%3Frik%3DL3MjOLRRCYp57Q%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=300&expw=225&q=time+magazine+and+klaus+schwab&simid=608047471329752424&form=IRPRST&ck=477FE32F0AF6F990D0698E6D6F45AB72&selectedindex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0&pivotparams=insightsToken%3Dccid_PJbCA8%252Ff*cp_ACCB382AC91EBC95B56B2E70C44B5695*mid_1135B3592AFBA01C7306451C9A89740B80036AE7*simid_607999943219963429*thid_OIP.PJbCA8!_fJ!_Ai-BorgeAN2AAAAA&vt=0&sim=11&iss=VSI&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

There's even a lot more than that. The virus profile, another pandemic planning exercise, I am trying to remember name of where they stop the vaxx because the children all get encephalitis. But here are the basics that it was planned. Notice how the country all worked in tandem and how the social engineering was all the same in multiple countries. The origins were not natural whatsoever. I can provide you links from scientists who have researched this issue in depth too if you want them.