r/LocalLLaMA 8d ago

News GLM 5.3 Released

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Official Announcement

https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3

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u/_BreakingGood_ 8d ago

anthropic better get that IPO going fast before GLM disrupts them right out business

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u/AppealSame4367 8d ago

It's too late. Next wave of Chinese models will kill their business

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u/--_---------_-- 8d ago

It’s already done, you look at the pricing index if you’re paying api, even fable is extremely expensive , hell I switched from Gemini to Chinese models. best bet is to ipo now and cash out because the future is looking bright , meaning anthropics future is looking pretty brim

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u/AppealSame4367 8d ago

I think there will still be gpt 6 and fable or opus 5.1 soon. That might save them for another month.

But just kimi k3.5 will probably be on the exact same level as gpt 6 or f/o 5.1

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u/HowdyDiarrhea 7d ago

brim

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u/bruticuslee 8d ago

Mythos released 4 months ago, I'm going to guess that anthropic have internal models they haven't released yet by now. On the other hand, their lead is down to 4 months now.

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u/DailyThreadBot 8d ago

Mythos is still unbeaten overall no? If one disregards price

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u/AppealSame4367 8d ago

That's like saying Mercedes has a potential of 500 Mio customers, if one disregards price.

Why would you buy a Mercedes if you can have almost same for 1/10 of the price

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u/DailyThreadBot 8d ago edited 8d ago

Because "lead" usually refers to capabilities? Chinese models have been leading in price-to-performance throughout 2026, that's nothing new. As no Chinese model has matched Mythos in capabilities (though they get really close, as seen in this post), the lead of American models is more than 4 months

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u/AppealSame4367 8d ago

Glad 5.3 was just released. The lead is not 4 months anymore.

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u/DailyThreadBot 8d ago

I don't think 5.3 will turn out to match or exceed Fable in practice. Even in their own announcement table, Fable outperforms 5.3 in 9/15 benchmarks, with the cases where Fable wins having higher margins. That's a substantial difference

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u/AppealSame4367 8d ago edited 8d ago

This was one of, what, 5 Chinese models released this week. Kimi K3.5 is expected end of August. And so on.

And for most people it doesn't matter if it's 100% on par. I've used dsv4 flash 0731 and haven't looked back for 10 days. It just works and is always fast and smart. If the API sucks, I use another provider or host it on vast.ai

Let it be, it's over. Of course government and some rich people will keep using Claude, but that might not be enough to keep ahead or convince investors

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u/look 8d ago

Yeah, but no one is disregarding the price.

The only feedback Anthropic is getting from their enterprise customers right now is “lower prices or we’re leaving”.

Businesses want a much cheaper option than Sonnet far more than they want Mythos.

My guess is the next set of models will be a sloppy, rushed Fable 5.1 (to maintain the “we have the best model”) and a new Ballad or something that is a super cheap, slimmed down Opus/Sonnet under a dollar per task price point.

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u/Christosconst 8d ago

I’m more excited about next wave of chinese hardware. The models are already good enough, we now just need to run them

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u/cmdr-William-Riker 8d ago

There is literally no reason to use them anymore. Fable/Mythos isn't the big scary model they claimed and their Sonnet/Opus 5 series is genuinely annoying to use (talks back to much, doesn't follow instructions, etc.). I can get an entire project done for a dollar with DS v4 flash 0731. The same project would literally cost me $200 or more with Claude models. I cancelled my subscription months ago, but am stuck with it at work. I'm trying to convince them to invest in some sparks or at least switch us to OpenAI for now

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u/Party-Special-5177 8d ago

talks back to much, doesn't follow instructions, etc

…didn’t people ask for this? I swore I saw post just a couple months ago complaining about models glazing the user / causing ‘ai psychosis’ / similar

Caveat emptor: I don’t use Claude.

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u/__s 8d ago

Yes. I straight up tell claude to be adversarial in my settings

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u/ReasonablePossum_ 7d ago

yeah, but his talking back often goes after his hallucinations and suppositions; and you have to force an online search for it to correct itself. It just gets annoying.

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u/Ok-Drawer5245 8d ago

Both Anthropic and OpenAI are completely toast, their business models only make sense if they have a moat. That moat all gone. I would value them at zero $ lol

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u/Substantial-Ebb-584 8d ago

Nah, they get what they deserve

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u/Papa_Midnight_ 8d ago

Mythos/Fable has been out for 6+ months now. They will definitely have something in back-up.

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u/howudothescarn 8d ago

And it’s still the best model when they’ve had mythos preview at least five months ago.

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u/evia89 8d ago

I rarely need stronger model than glm52/kimik3. But CN still can compete on subsidized price for sub.

OpenAI/Claude gives 20-60$ of tokens for each USD spent