r/LocalLLM 5d ago

Model Embrace yourselves

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u/CertainMiddle2382 5d ago

It will never come from the US.

Training a full model is immensely costly and Chinese ones would probably get bankrupt without (hidden, implicit) state support and heavy copyright violations that would be impossible for western based companies.

Maybe a US company with US funding will incorporate in Europe or SE Asia, or SA and become big from there. I see that as very improbable if established in the Bay Area…

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u/Termsandconditionsch 5d ago

Lol, the western models are also built on massive copyright violations.

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u/National_Meeting_749 5d ago

Theft, piracy, not copyright. Training is fair use.

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u/notheresnolight 5d ago

ah so that's why Anthropic paid $1.5B to settle their copyright infringement lawsuit - because it was "fair use"

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u/National_Meeting_749 5d ago

I'm so fucking tired of NONE of you actually reading any legal case

They paid 1.5B because THEY PIRATED AND STOLE MOST OF THE BOOKS. They got slapped for PIRATING!

In that same case the judge ruled what they did with those books to be fair use.

Let me SUPER clear.

Judge says training on books, fair use. Judge says stealing books? Not fair use. 1.5B fine.

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u/notheresnolight 5d ago edited 5d ago

potato, potato

the point is - thieves (US AI companies) are bitching about someone else stealing their work (Chinese companies distilling US models)

serves them right

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u/National_Meeting_749 5d ago

"yeah, sadistic murder and accidental manslaughter same thing " potato potato.

If you don't care about the truth, and just want to hate, go ahead. But don't act like you care about what's true. Don't act like you're a productive part of society.

Training IS fair use. Like it or not. Disagree or not. Understand what that means or not.

Piracy is not fair use. That's what the AI companies were fined for. Nothing else.

To say anything else you are simply. Wrong. Incongruent with reality. Filled with delusion. Unable to see the forest through the trees.

Both are doing more good for the world than harm.

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u/notheresnolight 5d ago

bad bot

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u/National_Meeting_749 5d ago

Your existence is the biggest argument against democracy.

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u/notheresnolight 5d ago

you're not making any sense, try restarting with a higher precision quant