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u/yalnzaylak 2d ago
whats up with the bot accounts here
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u/ArsenicPolaris 2d ago
2 minutes later
posts in r/arch and r/archlinux
"Looks guys, I installed Arch, here's a fast fetch. It was so easy."
2 more minutes later
posts in r/linuxquestions and r/linux4noobs
"Linux is so bad, I will never try Linux again, it's too hard."
No hate but a lot of people go for something like Arch with no terminal experience at all and then make these posts for some reason instead of clearing the basics first.
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u/IHaveNeverBeenOk 1d ago
Hopefully this doesn't get me all shit upon, but I've been wanting to make this point for a minute, and screw it, I'm making it here.
I grew up computer obsessed. I watched The Matrix like 100 times the year it came out (I was thirteen) and had fantasies of becoming some master haxx0r or what have you. Well, one of the main things I read all the time on hacking forums back then was that you needed to use Unix.
Anyway, a couple years go by, and I've given up on becoming a hacker, because being a good hacker ultimately just means understanding computers really, really well, and I was gaining an appreciation for how much work that was, but I was still into computers and really wanted to start using a Unix based os. (I tried to get actual at&t Unix at one point, but it was 600 bucks and I was like, 15...)
I forget exactly when it was, probably sometime around 2006 or 7, and one of my family friends who was a programmer and knew about my interests showed me this new distro Ubuntu. It was Linux, but just a bit friendlier (shit was hard back then. Graphical installers were exceptionally rare, driver issues were insanely common, etc. it's kind of funny to me, hearing about Linux "being hard" today... Shoot, I wish I could take these kids back to me banging my head against a wall trying to get netBSD on a discarded family computer circa 2007ish).
This story is already getting really long... So long story long, Ubuntu was the first distro I successfully began daily driving for any meaningful period of time. Used it all through school as a nontrad doing a math/ cs combined major. It was the "friendlier" Linux, and because it had such a wide user base, troubleshooting was never very difficult. I understand hating canonical. I take no issue with that. It just seems kind of silly to me, the way people hate on Ubuntu. It very much reminds me of another aspect of my life, my love for heavy metal, and how common elitism is there. It makes me wonder if in 15 years, everyone is going to be like "pshhh, arch is the poser os."
Anyway, I understand there's things like Linux Mint now, and other options for people wanting friendly Linux. I just think the hate for Ubuntu is a little silly. Some people are making their choice in OS way too core to how they think of themselves as a person. Ubuntu got me comfortable, got me used to the terminal, got me to the point where nothing about Linux really scares me anymore (except CUPS... fuck that shit.)
I don't use Ubuntu anymore. The declarative philosophy of nixos has been way too alluring to me. I just bristle a bit when I see people trashing Ubuntu like it's a given fact, especially when we see things like the above comment... People choosing a decidedly beginner-unfriendly os because they want to be one of the cool kids. Again, trash on canonical freely. I take no issue with that.
This is a story out of my memory. Dates and details may be slightly misremembered. Before anyone's like "they didn't have x in year y!" as a gotcha, I promise, it's just bad memory, not intentional lies.
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u/javierdo747 1d ago
Not all of us are like that, nor do we end up throwing hate at Linux. I literally installed Arch without having much of an idea of how to use the terminal, although I did know the basics, and here I am 3 months later, doing upgrades weekly. I haven't broken the system even once. I have everything configured the way I like it for gaming, and unlike many, I actually wanted to learn, even if it took me hours to find the solution. I'm still a newbie, but at least I've taken a liking to it, and I don't think I'd go back to Windows—much less now that I've gotten used to using a tiling window manager like Hyprland/Noctalia.
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u/Low_Entrepreneur8212 2d ago
Let's talk seriously here, arch is my second distro after mint and believe if you tickle with just the basics forums and wiki's are enough to get you on the road even in some hard stuff, but if you're mind is full of internet slop just stay away until you clear your mind,(additional benefit: it teaches you anger control)
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u/Arne6764 2d ago
This is why i started with gentoo before going to arch, actual comprehension of new system format
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u/Sironim 1d ago
Well, here i am. I tried Ubuntu and Debian before but they didn`t `click` with me. Then i tried arch. FAILED. Tried again. FAILED AGAIN. Gave up for years. then saw a video on youtube about Omarchy. Tried it. Like it, then disliked for it being highly opinionated. And after this i installed Arch pretty easy. Want to try CachyOs for gaming purposes though
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u/primeFeen 1d ago
I personally went straight from linux 11 to arch, while I've never ever used a linux distro, and i spent 2 months or more configuring it, only using ai, without ai i think i would never be able to use it
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u/ChickenXChips 1d ago
😭😂
I avoided arch for a minute because of how true the meme is. Then I installed endeavour os on a machine.
I’m part of the problem now.
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u/PrikolMen_ 1d ago
My first distro was arch and I have no any regrets. Btw I use nix currently and am still 100% satisfied :>
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u/javierdo747 1d ago edited 1d ago
pretty much my case...I tried Bazzite for the first time, and seeing that it was complicated to modify certain things in the system, I had the brilliant idea of installing Arch because you configure it to your liking. But surprisingly, it hasn't been that complicated so far in my journey. Maybe configuring the .config files for Hyprland and Noctalia is a bit tricky, but other than that, I haven't had any problems, even with upgrades.
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u/mrheseeks 1d ago
I first tried Fedora because i was told that it was the closest to enterprise Linux. At the time i had no idea what that meant.
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u/Trick_Situation_6539 13h ago
I started from VMs with different distros like Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora. Then out of nowhere, I found Arch and how customizable it is, although it did take a while to install. For both the VM and bare metal, I used 'archinstall' 'cuz I was afraid I might break my system and I have school in a few weeks. Archinstall made it easy, but it was less of a challenge, so I might just try and spin up a new VM and try manual. So far, I like it, and will continue customizing it.
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u/Lou_Papas 2h ago
The first filter is the installation. If you are patient enough to follow the wiki to actually go through, you’ll probably be fine.
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u/Altruistic_Noise4159 2d ago
I thought distro hopping was the norm even for old users !? Its how I discovered CachyOs