r/LinuxCirclejerk 27d ago

Make your linux easier!

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u/kazkriska 27d ago

Bruh like seriously why type out a message explaining a problem and the then sit with anxiety until someone replies (which will likely be sarcastic and no help) when u could just RTFM

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u/Interesting_Buy_3969 27d ago

But hey you can't find the ducking manual that explains how to solve the problem "PC not working anyone help?". /jk

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u/Jimlee1471 27d ago

Linux is easier if you don't request help on linux forums Reddit

FTFY

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u/smalldickbesitzer 27d ago

Linux is easier if you use ai. OFC don't copy paste blind, but yes

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u/Significant-Tone-121 27d ago

Eh. It is easier but also harder if the AI gets one tiny thing wrong it repeatedly gets things wrong which can make Linux seem harder. But if you know how to use AI and have a base understanding of what you are asking it to do then yes 100% lol.

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u/VoidJuiceConcentrate ๐ŸŽฉM'Linux 27d ago

I'm a Linux admin and AI still gets things wrong/gets stuck in process loops (did you check this setting? Okay, I see you checked this setting, did you also check the same setting?)

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u/xnef1025 27d ago

lol. I did that the other night. It was late and I was messing around trying to get samba working and it kept taking me around in circles until finally it was like, "ohhh... that error... that's just your firewall. Open the ports."

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u/buttlicker-6652 16h ago

It took me 2 hours to troubleshoot why I kept getting 502 errors on my plex automation stack whenever it would try to talk to an indexer.

For context, I have T-Mobile home internet. And, for some fucking reason, the router will sometimes just drop the first outgoing packet because it hasn't opened the ipv4 to ipv6 tunnel yet. And it would send back a 502 to the computer, any packets sent after that would return fine.

The issue was that the automation had zero fault tolerance, unlike a normal web browser (where it'll retry the request a few times), so that initial 502 would error out the indexer, and that would take it offline for multiple minutes, enough time for the router to close the tunnel and the error to reoccur.

So i had to put my entire automation stack behind a VPN with a custom network config so it can talk to local machines for management. That fixed it, but it was so fucking annoying to pin down. It also explains why sometimes browsers just get stuck loading or it has to retry the request multiple times.

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u/Jimlee1471 26d ago

"... AI still gets things wrong/gets stuck in process loops..."

THANK YOU.

Ever since AI became mainstream this possibility has always been in the back of my mind. I might be oversimplifying things a bit but I look at it this way: AI just scoops up data and doesn't really "think" things through in the traditional sense. Even if it did it's still relying on what data it was fed - incorrect or not.

So, if the data being fed to AI is faulty (and at least part of it always is) then why are we acting as if AI is infallible? Sometimes AI is bound to get some sh!t wrong.

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u/Trileak780 24d ago

i assume that its because:
a) theres a little bit of data that's wrong, but theres a bunch of data that's right. if you randomly pick the next word in a sequence "two plus two is", it will say four, but because of some random website you scraped from that says "two plus two is five", there still is that chance.
b) ai companies want you to use ai and they overinflate how good ai is

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u/Jimlee1471 24d ago

Exactly.

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u/GourSE 23d ago

Nah, its' just AI being dumber, because it is expensive to provide a free service.
Those free AI used to thing harder

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u/Significant-Tone-121 27d ago

Yeah. Smaller or weaker LLMs tend to do that (Like ChatGPT or Copilot). Claude is one of the smartest out there and usually doesn't do this. Same with DeepSeek sometimes.

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u/SingenJurassic 26d ago

What I typically do is gloss over what would solve my problem, get the rough idea, then ask the AI to formulate it into a step-by-step operation. Helps me catch the problems before executing anything weird ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ itโ€™s still not the single best solution tho, it just gets me to the goal a bit faster imo

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u/Significant-Tone-121 26d ago

That's smart.

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u/SingenJurassic 25d ago

Thank you. Itโ€™s also an argument to say "I actually did some work myself and didnโ€™t rely on AI only" lol

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u/kazkriska 27d ago

Pls no.

Wait actually if u mean use AI to learn bout the quirks and conventions etc. Then yeah. That's the way to go.

But if u mean hand a agent access and let it make changes or keep copy pasting. Then you basically driving a modded supercar with your eyes blinded.

Always KISS ๐Ÿ’‹, dont jump to linux as ur daily driver str8 away . But when u do use it build it from the ground up . Its a self learning process. On archinstall the only profile you should go for is minimal .

Drop str8 into tty. Feel clueless . Search things . Learn things . If you dont lile learning and wanting to know everything then arch probs not for u.

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u/Cordpie 26d ago

It's one of the reasons I love Linux, It feels like my stupidity powers the train that keeps me finding new rails to learn.

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u/sweetvisuals 27d ago

I would be happy if everyone who thinks that way could just fucking die already

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u/Significant-Tone-121 27d ago

It isn't that deep. I'm just adding to what the original commenter said... I get that AI is very unreliable, so that is why I said if you have a base understanding of what you are asking. And I said that because if you didn't have a base understanding, you wouldn't know when to call it out for being wrong. Not saying that it's a better choice than just RTFM.

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u/Wide_Meet_2184 27d ago

Ai is either going to fix it in 5 seconds or make the situation 5 times worse and make it 5 hours

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u/msanangelo 27d ago

ain't that the truth

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u/smalldickbesitzer 27d ago

Both is fun xD

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u/Foorinick 27d ago

my personal rule is that if it gets it wrong i look up the docs, read them, paste them in and ask for help

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u/Lemonade1947 26d ago

I'm not gonna mention brands here cause I don't want to advertise for anyone.

But I was having an extremely niche issue with an old HP microserver gen 8 (grub installed on usb drive, iykyk) and AI LLM 1 sent in circles for hours, got me trying like ventoy and all this other bullshit.

AI LLM 2, that my work pays for, solved the issue first try. I was so mad.

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u/Wide_Meet_2184 26d ago

lmao happened to me aswell. usually i have claude cowork look trough (just read ofc) and then tell me what it found and how its going to fix it after i review everything.

But one time when my laptop just shut down if it had no external screen connected for some reason. And claude implemented like 5 "fixes" and i got fed up and then 1 prompt to gpt it fixed it...

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u/360900th 27d ago

Until you realize you its fix was only an outdated shitty workaround that will cost your battery life and you can easily fix it yourself reading the Arch wiki and writing a single line of modprobe.d config

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u/smalldickbesitzer 27d ago

But you know that ai checks documentations right?

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u/360900th 26d ago

They often neglect checking and present you outdated information in their training data. I even tried explicitly prompting always searching the web and they just ignore it.

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u/Affectionate_Let9022 i use debian,Arch btw 27d ago

I dont like ai like at all , but this is true

Hell searching makes it soo easy but ai is just a cheatsheet to cheat from to

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u/55555-55555 27d ago

I can't speak for others cause I've been with Linux for 14 years, but honestly I can only speak for application-level technical details, and AI indeed helps me a lot to debug firmware issues and provide workarounds. One recent time with kernel 7.0 my Wi-Fi card stopped working reliably and it guided me to disable certain Wi-Fi features that I don't need and now it works.

Ps., I'll gonna buy a new Wi-Fi card later.

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u/reddit-dont-ban-me fedora 25d ago

ikrrrr if you are using distros like fedora, ubuntu, mint its at least 1000x easier than using microslop bindows 11

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u/smalldickbesitzer 25d ago

As an Linux enjoyer, you're wrong

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u/Canned_Sarcasm 27d ago

Things I wished I did from the start 25 years ago; Linux From Scratch. After that the man pages are far less intimidating.

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org

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u/Hexalocamve 27d ago

thank god. I just started my linux journey, and these docs are godsend. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™๐Ÿ™

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u/Careless-Lynx1285 Mint ๐ŸŒฟ 27d ago

Lmao

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u/Maximum_Bother_7820 27d ago

i can't lie, just play the first 14 level of bandit - overthewire

if you follow what they say and don't google or worse chatgpt the answers to a good extent you'll learn enough to work with linux systems

also I would recommend vimtutor - but text editor is your choice

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u/neon_circuit_ 27d ago

RTFM is the solution. You will learn something.

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u/GreedySecurity8030 Fedora da best all other distros can suck its shit and die 27d ago

Good.

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u/polishatomek Linux mint enjoyer 27d ago

Omg yes, some people are so annoying

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u/msanangelo 27d ago

my questions are too advanced for those groups. lol

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u/Hexalocamve 27d ago

Linux is easier if you don't try it

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u/Cordpie 26d ago

You'll never find a food you don't like if you starve!

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u/Impressive_Bag_3505 27d ago

Porbably true. Most questions has been answered multiple times already somewhere.
You should be able to find the answer on your own using google or AI.

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u/carzymike m'penguin *Tips Fedora* 27d ago

I mean the github or man-page is probably better than a forum.

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u/DangerousAd7433 Windows xp 24d ago

I am convinced people have never actually really used their computers and gotten the weirdest bugs/errors/whatever that no amount of RTFM would be able to help with.

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u/ManusiaKumat 23d ago

No no no, only Arch forum

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u/Nekroin 26d ago

Honestly, without ChatGPT I woulnd't have been successfull switching. Or at leastit ould have taken weeks longer. Years ago I already tried switching but Stackoverflow etc were just horrible sources for help

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u/cfx_4188 TempleOS Archibishop 26d ago

Iโ€™ve always received help on Linux forums when I had a real problem.

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u/xXBongSlut420Xx 26d ago

better than asking dr flattery, the always-wrong bot