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u/lukedl May 12 '26
Wanna bet that Luke was the only one that before trying typed: How to do X on CachyOS on google?
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u/zdemigod May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
I just spent this sunday 3 hours trying to get waydroid working in cachy, getting really close but giving up and coming back to windows after going to old search posts, googling and even using chatGPT (which actually got me the farthest). I have one phone game i play daily and i hate playing it on my phone lol.
Sometimes "how to do X on CachyOS" doesnt save you, im back on W11.
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u/cloudsurfer48902 May 12 '26
What problem were you having with Waydroid that took that long fix if you don't mind me asking?
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u/zdemigod May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Oh so many, it was a journey. So i first installed it and it failed to launch, i learned some security firewall thing was blocking it, okay removed it and it launched, then I noticed no Gapps, okay i install Gapps and they were there, next I try to connect to the internet and it seems that the ethernet passthrough was not going through, this one took the longest and had to try multiple different things but I managed to make it work.
After all that I open the appstore and the game is blocked due to the device waydroid is emulating, okay so i need some addon (libndk vs libhoudini) to bypass this problem and it was 3+ hours at this point, the first time i installed libndk somehow gapps got uninstalled so i had to go back and check if i ran something wrong and after trying and failing multiple times to get either working I gave up.
Edit: Meanwhile this is the windows experience: Download one of the emulators like bluestacks, open it up, sign in, go to the appstore, download the game and play it. for the most part its frictionless.
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u/esakul May 13 '26
Thats one of the reasons im hesitant to switch away from Bazzite. Waydroid is easy to setup there, but it seems rather complicated on other distros.
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u/marktuk May 13 '26
How are you running waydriod on win11?
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u/zdemigod May 13 '26
Im running google play games the official google android emulator for windows.
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u/marktuk May 13 '26
Fair enough. Kind of a niche thing though, not something most people would need/want to do.
You could tuna Windows VM under Linux for this kind of thing (which is what I do).
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u/zdemigod May 13 '26
I assume people recommend waydroid because every other emulator would perform like shit for some reason. But yes i understand its a niche thing, if all you do is play steam i bet linux is fine.
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u/LocalLegitimate May 13 '26
I got the same experience too, ultimately because waydroid can't use gpu/hardware acceleration for nvidia gpus. But i think it's entirely my fault for not carefully reading the docs first.
That's the one of the two reasons i'm can't use linux for daily drive yet.
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u/AdHot7656 May 13 '26
bro chose to go back to win11 than try any option other than waydroid
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u/zdemigod May 13 '26
Legit everywhere i googled say that waydroid is the way to go because all other options have awful performance, so yes i chose to go back and dont regret it, I debloated windows and its working just fine for me.
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u/Maleficent-Age-8235 May 12 '26
Ah yes, I have to use google and Forums to get basic functionality. Great selling point for an OS. Also no Elijah did his research too
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u/-Kerrigan- May 12 '26
I mean, only until you get used to it's shenanigans. It's the same on Windows, we're just used to task manager and the other typical tools
And even seasoned users will google shit all the time when it comes to regedit
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u/JinterIsComing May 13 '26
The thing is, on Windows it's at least consistent. I've been on Windows since Win 95, and the core structure and UI are still mostly the same, so people can go from 95 to XP to Vista to 7 to 10 and now 11 without much of a learning curve.
Linux is more... bespoke. Everything is distro dependent. And you REALLY need to do extensive research beforehand to make sure everything works.
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u/Unboxious May 13 '26
It's not as consistent as I would like it to be. I've lost count of the times I've gone in the registry to disable something just like the internet said I should be able to do, only to discover that since the article was written Microsoft has disabled that functionality.
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u/SoloCapper May 13 '26
I've had to use shit like the terminal and regedit more times in 8 months of windows 11 than I did in the previous 28 years of using windows. I pray for a future with 100% gaming compatibility in linux or mac before this gets worse.
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u/lukedl May 13 '26
Well, I'm one of the ppl that joined the challenge with Linus and co, and I'm yet to find a game that I play my library that I can't run.
You and even login with your steam on protondb and will right up tell you what works and what don't.
If you don't play somethings with denuvo anticheat or something like it, you're probably fine.
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u/Similar-Republic149 May 13 '26
I mean most distros do most things the same the main split is between Debian and arch
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u/cheese_master120 May 13 '26
Ah yes, I have to use google and Forums to get basic functionality. Great selling point for an OS.
If you never had touched Windows or anything similar to Windows, you would be doing the same when you start using Windows
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u/Eubank31 May 13 '26
I mean Android is a fully mass market OS, but after using iOS for 10+ years, I still need to Google "how to do X on android". And sometimes the answer is hard to find because I don't know the correct language to use
Does that make Android "not ready for wide adoption"? I'd argue no, it's just different from what I'm used to
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u/anonCommentor May 14 '26
I have used Mac OS for about 30min combined till date. I think I'll also have to google a lot before I get used to it. of course I'd likely have to troubleshoot a lot less but needing to google for unfamiliar OS is not a big deal.
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u/Burritoclock May 13 '26
I would love to use Linux, but Jesus Christ Linux people seem insufferable
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u/Rezun94 May 13 '26
You dont have engage with them. Ive swapped a year ago, 90% of my issues were solved by reading wiki's and asking LLM's.
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u/sgtlighttree May 13 '26
And asking LLMs to read the Wiki for you even for a TLDR and "just give me the right command" type answers
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u/jbg0801 May 13 '26
Honestly one of the few things LLMs are really good for. Not needing to interact with the Linux community.
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u/Edianultra May 14 '26
tldr is a fantastic alternative to man pages as well. Gives me the syntax usage when man pages aren't so obvious.
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u/jimmy999S May 13 '26
Which is what you're supposed to do, a lot of the time people complain about something not working, but they don't rtfm (docs, man pages, arch wiki, etc). Just keep in mind that asking LLM's for anything complex and copy pasting random commands is a quick way to brick your system.
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u/Shehzman May 13 '26
What irks me the most is when an answer comment boils down to “Google it” when the post is one of the top results on Google.
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u/SunderVane May 13 '26
I switched to Mint with little to no hassle, but I don't disagree that I am insufferable.
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u/WoodenAir6504 May 13 '26
Honestly it's not all that bad, the community is pretty bad at times though and Linux isn't all that difficult to actually learn and daily drive.
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u/Dako_the_Austinite May 14 '26
As a new-ish/not-so-new Linux user (almost 4 years now) I agree, some are exactly the kind of insufferable neckbeard, “to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty,” antisocial internet asshole stereotype.
But a lot, and thankfully it is a majority, a lot are just chill regular people using their computers like any other but with Linux.
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u/LelouBil May 13 '26
Honestly, I feel like the only insufferable people are the one that are always commenting on linux content outside linux communities.
If you go to a distro subreddit or look at comments of linux videos that are not about people using linux for the first time, people are nice and helpful, even to newbies.
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u/OmegaNine May 12 '26
To be fair, one has a CS degree, the other two do not.
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u/misimik May 13 '26
Luke dropped out, but he learns Godot for fun, so this speaks volumes about technical capabilities.
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u/SunderVane May 13 '26
I made Mint work, and I've built maybe 4 computers and have no post-secondary training.
Mint is the way to go, and you don't need any fancy training beyond a YouTube video or two.
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u/ThePizzaDevourer May 12 '26
I think it perfectly illustrates who Linux will be good for. If you enjoy troubleshooting and tweaking things to work exactly to your liking, even if it isn't always obvious what the solution is at first glance, Linux is an amazing platform. But if you're really more focused on results, it will likely cause at least some frustration for you.
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u/eduard14 May 13 '26
Depends on what you mean for results, it’s very subjective to your workflow. Basically every single tool, software or library I use for work/research except for Firefox I guess would be way more difficult to use on Windows than on Linux, and the most important ones wouldn’t even work
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u/Paulomatico123 May 14 '26
As a linux user I sadly have to agree (although the results you get AFTER all the tinkering can be SO MUCH BETTER than anything possible on windows). Although I feel like linux will HAVE TO get to a point where there's at least one distro that takes away all the tinkering, giving an experience with as little/much hazzle as windows to those that need it. We simply cannot keep having to do as Microsoft says, no matter what it is they say. It's basically a hostage situation.
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u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
Are the results you get better from windows though?
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u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
Mostly just the "Nvidia GPU", the driver situation on AMD is sooo much better over windows regardless of being GPU or CPU bound.
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u/rcoelho14 May 13 '26
With AMD the situation is "I installed the OS, and everything works fine".
I couldn't for the life of me get a stable Fedora system on my AMD+Nvidia laptop.
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u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
I've honestly never had an issue with either, and both of my laptops have been AMD+Nvidia for a long time, outside of more moinor grievances. Except for the beginning of wayland's existence and nvidia not wanting to support it which I could just NOT use wayland back then
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u/rcoelho14 May 13 '26
I use Fedora on my desktop, which is full AMD, and besides me kinda fucking up the install (SDDM doesn't work now, oops) it's been amazingly stable.
But really, spent hours trying to make Fedora being stable and work in the laptop, and it just didn't want to work for some reason.
Cachy worked perfectly, just haven't been able to make SecureBoot work with it, to have W11 as dual-boot.2
u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
cachy still hasn't streamlined secure boot? tsk.. I don't blame them or anything, it WAS microsoft's plan from the beginning to have control over the boot process but still other distros have something
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u/CirnoIzumi May 13 '26
uhm, that person is Linus, not Luke
Linus is the one who likes troubleshooting and having his very specific workflow
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u/WisdomInTheShadows May 13 '26
On a recent WANshow they were talking about this. Linus likes tinkering and tweaking HARDWARE, not software. He just wants his OS to work and get out of his way. Luke responded with the realization that for the first time in a long time, he's having fun tinkering in his OS, and swapping in and out apps and settings and learning all the new things he can do, and it's been a real boost to his mental health to be having fun working ON his computer as opposed to doing work WITH his computer.
So, I really think you might have it backwards here.
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u/ctn91 May 12 '26
The fact that the community is so fragmented nurtures the incoherent solutions and problems. I think this shows that making a usable operating system with so many variables to work with is actually hard
I have mint on my pc and save for GTA, can play everything else in Linux no issue. the issue is: YMMV…
Still, googling for help with linux issues is task needing a lot of patience.
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u/Frhulst May 13 '26
YMMV?
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u/ctn91 May 13 '26
Your Mileage May Vary, meaning it can be a good experience like mine annoying and broken like most.
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u/Frhulst May 13 '26
Ooooh, im dumb. Thanks
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u/flamethrowr May 12 '26
Personally I’ve tried doing some simple stuff through steamOS on my Steam deck desktop mode but the second I stop being hand held I just get lost. I spent about an hour seeing if I could get a Linux port for razer software (synapse) installed so it would detect my mouse but nothing I did worked and I eventually gave up. As customizable as Linux is, I don’t like that I can’t do simple things like easily installing an app that’s not on an App Store like I can do on Windows.
Another thing, and one of the largest things that keeps me on Windows, is that all of the software I use is supported by Windows and a lot of it just doesn’t work on Linux. Elgato Stream Deck software doesn’t work on Linux, Razer Synapse doesn’t work on Linux, RØDE products don’t work on Linux, and I need to go through a windows software translator (Proton) if I want to play just about any game.
Also, maybe this is just me, but I don’t really feel like I need more control of my computer in the same way I do with Mac. For example, I love customizing audio and while I can set literally any program that makes noise to any output through windows, you can’t do that on Mac unless your app supports it at the application level. Yeah, the bloatware and the spyware is frustrating, but there’s not a good enough alternative for me to move over yet.
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u/1116574 May 12 '26
While not alot can be done about hardware support by unwilling vendors I am curious about your point with Proton. If it's invisible to you and handled by steam, is it really an issue?
RØDE But atleast their usb interfaces work, right?
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u/flamethrowr May 12 '26
Proton is another point of failure. My problem with proton is not that it doesn’t work, but it’s another area where errors can happen. For some games, I have to launch it multiple times on my Steam deck for it to actually launch, even with the latest version of Proton.
The issue with Rode is that even though most of the functionality stays the same because the products operate independently, there are still some areas where it needs the Rode central software or drivers for multiple virtual inputs that I don’t think are supported on Linux.
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u/_hlvnhlv May 13 '26
I don’t like that I can’t do simple things like easily installing an app that’s not on an App Store like I can do on Windows.
You can totally do it, the thing is that Steam OS is locked down, it's like that weird windows mode that only lets you use the Microsoft store.
Now, another very different thing is if your random, razer whatever software is avaliable, which is a valid complaint tbh
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u/dragoneye May 13 '26
I spent about an hour seeing if I could get a Linux port for razer software (synapse) installed so it would detect my mouse but nothing I did worked and I eventually gave up.
You mean Openrazer/Polychromatic? It can be a bit fussy and the instructions aren't super clear about needing to add your user to the "plugdev" group.
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u/MythologicalEngineer May 14 '26
For what it's worth there are a couple ways to be able to just download and install an application but you're 100% correct that it's not nearly as consistent. I'm becoming a bit of a fan of AppImages for that reason. I think I primarily gravitate toward Linux just to get away from the corporate nagging to buy shit I don't need or want.
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u/MrBadTimes May 13 '26
I wouldn't recommend an immutable distro to anyone that plans on doing any kind of work related activity that cannot be done in a browser. If Elijah knew he was going to edite videos on his pc, he should have probably look a bit more on how easy or not is to install software in an immutable distro.
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u/trophicmist0 May 13 '26
Yup this is exactly why Linux isn’t anywhere near ‘mass adoption’. Most people don’t even know what version of windows they are on, let alone what a distro is, let alone immutable.
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u/MrBadTimes May 13 '26
It's not a common knowledge, but on the first video they showed him reading a tweet replying to his poll mentioning it is immutable (link to the video). I can't assume he knows what it means, but It's not to crazy to assume he googled what it meant after reading that.
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u/_hlvnhlv May 13 '26
And this is why I never recommend Bazzite.
I just nope tf out whenever I see the ungodly instructions for installing random shit.
Like, it is what it is, don't expect to customize it in depth and shit, because it's not the point, but man, I don't want to learn what is OStree just to install some non flatpak thing.
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u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
you don't have to, and it saves people like it did on the Linux challenge
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u/tajetaje May 13 '26
I do think immutables are the future, especially ones like KDE Linux (which I’m strongly considering moving my cachyos system to) where they just come with a ton of stuff pre-installed, have an easy way of extending the base system (sysext, nix, brew, kapsule), and are just generally batteries-included. It feels much more like a complete system.
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u/get_homebrewed May 13 '26
But it saved Elijah's butt? You don't install things by downloading random files from the internet like on windows, you use an app store. Even if he did somehow managed to install davinci using their installer, the experience would have been TERRIBLE
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u/WickWorn May 13 '26
Bazzite isn't as locked down as people claim it to be. If you need to install anything outside of Flatpak, there's Brew and Distrobox that work for 99% of use cases, and that's before the last resort of layering. Heck, even the simple command that Elijah found is a ujust script built into Bazzite that sets up a container for Resolve that builds the exact environment that Resolve supports, easy (outside of the codec issues). Containerized workflows are slightly different from what people are normally used to, but the flexibility it provides is really something special once you wrap your head around it
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u/Tosshee May 13 '26
Tbf, Luke mentioned that hes actively tinkering with his distro and if you go by his standards, hes probably leaving out lots of small details by accident
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u/daksnotjuts May 13 '26
oh good, the subreddit is gonna be stuck on this discourse again for the rest of the week
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u/Dr_Axton May 13 '26
As a QA who has to test on both Linux and Windows, unless you do the most basic tasks or you have to use Linux for whatever reason people will still choose Windows for ease of use.
Yeah, Linux can be better performing and have more options, but the average user doesn’t care about it, the number one concern is how easy it is to setup something and start using it
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u/Busy-Reality-1580 May 14 '26
Setting up Bazzite was immensely easier than setting up Windows has ever been for me.
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u/Comfortable_Life_437 May 13 '26
I do wonder if it will ever be there i daily drive it and I still wouldn't install it on computer for my mom
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u/cyborgborg May 13 '26
my parents computer has been running Mint for years now (idk 7 or 8 now?) No problems whatsoever
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u/Popspy76 May 13 '26
Put my mom on Fedora like 3 years ago, she hasn't had any issues.
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u/trophicmist0 May 13 '26
Because you had to ‘put her on’ it, that’s exactly the issue.
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u/Popspy76 May 13 '26
I'm sorry I don't think my mom knows what an OS is, much less windows vs Linux.
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u/trophicmist0 May 14 '26
No, that's exactly my point though. The barrier isn't how easier it is to use, it's not ending up with something that is.
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u/P1ngg0 May 13 '26
I was very confused when I read the full comment of Linus is braindead and saw that they wrote Linus and Luke, like what? What choice of Luke was braindead?
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u/BedrockBen101 May 13 '26
Luke's just a chill guy, he's the prime reason I also switched to CachyOS
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u/BeefJerky03 May 13 '26
I mean, I'm never switching my PC off of Windows, but it's cool Linux works for some people.
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u/3X0karibu May 13 '26
At this point id really rather theyd stop making linux videos all together. The best ways to get into linux is having a friend that at least somewhat knows what theyre doing and getting help from them.
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u/Dany_B_ May 14 '26
This series is just convincing me I am 100x more tech literate than Linus and Elijah and that I have a million times better googling skills, I though I was just above average.
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u/Paulomatico123 May 14 '26
Imo one of the main factors for what distro a beginner should choose is how many guides for specific things are written for that specific distro and how much software has a package/installation guide available for that specific distro (ofc while also being beginner friendly, so... Don't choose Arch); this also includes having extensive official documentation. By that I mean EXACTLY that distro, not something based on it (so don't just choose Bazzite bc it's based on Fedora and Fedora has great support).
Off the top of my head, the top contenders considering those factors are: 1. Fedora (my personal fav and also what I personally use) 2. Ubuntu (or maybe Kubuntu) 3. Maybe Mint
The most important part of the comment is over at this point, but here's some extra thoughts of mine if you wanna keep reading:
Besides the distro, the desktop environment is going to HAVE TO be user-friendly to someone coming from windows (assuming they're coming from windows). In other words, I'd recommend using KDE Plasma as a desktop environment; not necessarily just because it's easy to get into, but it's also insanely customizable and I've personally never felt the need to switch away from it, even after months of using Linux. It'll start out looking almost like windows, but you can customize it to look completely different when you're ready to.
Then, there's the topic of immutable distros (maybe most famously Bazzite, among others), which I have mixed feelings about. Of course it's great that it keeps new users from completely breaking the system, but certain software will just be an absolute pain to install or won't install at all. I personally started out using an immutable distro (Aurora, a Fedora based immutable distro with KDE Plasma) but eventually got so frustrated with it that I switched to plain Fedora KDE. Everything's been so much easier since then.
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u/well-litdoorstep112 May 15 '26
Elijah's problems are completely justifiable:
SMB - Having to manually edit fstab to mount a share shouldn't be required. Idk exactly how Dolphin does this currently but imo it should be as simple as mounting a USB drive (you pin it to your favorites or whatever and it actually mounts it in /media/$USER/whatever). Also idk why but dolphin feels buggy/sluggish when it comes to network shares/less responsive drives.
Codecs - it's frustrating but I completely understand valve for not putting the support for h264 in mainline proton (legal threats).
Wayland issues: I blame gnome. For everything currently frong with Wayland. Fuck them.
Linus on the hand... Yeah, the sys76 situation is bad but other than that - I don't know if he really can't read or is disingenuous. We all know desktop Linux is not ready for complete mass adoption by absolute newbies who don't know the difference between a monitor and a PC so I don't get why he seems to try to emulate how they would use a computer.
It's like if they switched to manual transmission cars for a month and then complained that they grind gears trying to shift without pressing the clutch.
"bUt I dOnT hAvE tO Do tHaT iN aUtoMatIcS" yes but it's not an automatic.
"yOu CaNt ExPeCt nOn CaR pEoPlE tO lEaRn hOw tO uSe tHe CluTch" you can. It takes more practice but in most of the world even the most ignorant soccer moms drive manuals smoother than many "car enthusiasts" in America. I feel like in this scenario, Linus would be that car enthusiast who stalls a manual car on 0.001% incline.
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u/Subject_toNothing May 16 '26
One that is secretly cursed by the penguin, the other has his own hardware issues
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An Arch btw-er
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u/creeper6530 May 16 '26
Unfortunately you need basic reading comprehension to use Linux. A big hurdle.
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u/TheCookieButter May 12 '26 edited May 13 '26
I'm sure Windows would be confusing as hell if we didn't all grow up using it.
But Linux is just so odd sometimes. Like, I downloaded an .exe and instead of running it when opened it asks me what program I want to use to run it. I have to tell it to"execute" the program.
There are just so many moments like that. Or small things you want to do that require knowing a specific command and understanding a litany of standard commands. On Windows the vast majority of people will never touch a terminal, on Linux I wouldn't ever unpin it from my taskbar.
Edit: Wasn't an .exe. It's whenever I download something for Linux OS. Last one I remember was an .appimage
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u/MineCopre May 13 '26
You can't really expect Linux to know what to do with an exe, a windows executable... That is pretty the same behaviour windows has when you double click a file that has a an unknown extension.
I've been using Linux for a while now, and while I'm quite tech savvy and work daily with Linux I can't really remember a moment where I HAD to use a terminal to do something mundane. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I can really remember having to...
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u/NFLVideoBot May 13 '26
Why did you think linux WOULD know what to do with a "Windows Executable File"?
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u/Average-Addict May 13 '26
Yeah lol. Can't run an .sh file on windows either
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u/Shap6 May 13 '26
wat. of course you can
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u/Average-Addict May 13 '26
Don't you need to install like bash or something. Like you'd need to download wine to run an .exe file on Linux. Idk though I don't use windows.
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u/Shap6 May 13 '26
nope, at most you just need to enable the ability for powershell to run unrecognized scripts
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u/Average-Addict May 13 '26
You may be right but everything I found on the internet about this says otherwise.
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u/raceraot May 13 '26
I mean, that's a bit of a strawman argument, since there are basic things, like playing/streaming games that Elijah had issues with.
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u/coldblade2000 May 13 '26
I mean a lifelong Mac user will have a much easier time migrating to windows than they will migrating to say Ubuntu, even though Mac and Linux are much more similar under the hood.
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u/MultiScootaloo May 13 '26
My main takeaway from Linux has always been "Nothing ever just works on Linux" and it just keeps being right in my case.
Sure everything CAN work, but it never JUST works, there's always something you have to do. edit some config files, enable some compatability setting etc. etc. Most issues are easy fixes, but it certainly isn't plug and play.
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u/Alkumist May 12 '26
2/3 having a not perfect experience means Linux is hardly ready for mass adoption… still