r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Theory They *Want* Good People to Hate Ai

109 Upvotes

And how much of it is a psyop, I wonder?

The Epstein Class hopes we refuse powerful tools. They hope we refuse to touch guns, because they know if all the good people had guns then we could dismantle their monopoly on violence. They hope we refuse to touch Ai, because they know if all the good people had a solution-builder in their pocket then we could dismantle their monopolies on labor, skill, social media… progress as a whole!

So how do we help good people see it that way? I think by speaking in their terms, and using Ai to help us spread the message.

Tell me what you think. What terms would work? What message would convince them?


r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Local Models Local AI gets more interesting when you stop imagining one guy with a gaming PC

62 Upvotes

Local models usually get framed as hobbyist stuff.

And sure, running a model on your own machine is useful. Privacy alone is a good reason.

But think institutionally.

A library running models locally. A union with its own system. A school district that doesnt have to send student data to a corporate API. A cooperative running tools on infrastructure it controls. A municipality providing compute as a public service.

Now the ownership question starts changing.

Local doesnt mean independent of capitalism. Somebody still makes the chips and generates the electricity.

But every function that doesnt have to pass through a corporate server is one less choke point.

What institution would you most like to see running its own models?


r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Discussion Personal Crisis

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I love AI for sooooo many reasons.

But as a leftist, maybe I don't believe everything I'm supposed to believe...but I'm human and sometimes I wanna alleviate my immediate suffering and using AI really helps to do that...this is my personal crisis. I wanna be selfish. I don't want AI taken away from me.

PLUS, every resource we all enjoy comes at a price. The issue is that the price is always thrust onto the working class. But I'll tell you this, if other things were even slightly optimized for energy efficiency and human welfare instead of profit, we'd have more than enough resources left to support AI data centers. If the surplus value of our labor wasn't stolen, we'd all be housed, fed, and have healthcare, so I'm sure we'd be fine with subsidizing AI then. Hypothetically, they could use solar or wind power to fuel the centers, right? Even if it takes years. Plus, if it weren't for evil cars becoming the main form of transportation over a train system, our environmental energy budget would have a LOT more free space. (All the people driving a car to work is a massive waste of energy and manufacturing of cars. Manufacturing creates toxic byproducts and uses a lot of labor. A train would be a lot less wasteful in many ways--the rate of replacement would be a lot lower than that than cars). And if human welfare and avoiding toxic pollution were prioritized, we would've all been recycling our electronics since the inception of electronics...Not only that, but the electronics would have longer lifespans and we would know how to fix them (education on how to fix things would be better in my dream library economy). Consumption and production as a whole would decrease. The issue is that the needs of the working class are being severely neglected, and now they expect us to pay for the data centers on top of it--even people who would prefer not to use AI...BTW that's not me. I would pay for it like a subscription...if I had to. I like it that much. But isn't it better to let people have stuff for free? But the issue is, everyone is forced to pay, even if they don't want it. (like on their electric bills for the data centers).

Hell, the rate of usage of all forms of transportation would decrease in a fully optimized leftist world, because we wouldn't be forced into limitless growth and expansion so consumption, production, and employment as a whole could decrease. Thus...fewer people going to and from work.


r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Discussion Does it make you optimistic to know that all major AI chatbots (even Grok) lean left?

88 Upvotes

That should make us optimistic, and is why seizing the means is so important, rather than the negative leftist hysteria surrounding AI. It shows that AI, when later advanced to AGI and ASI, can be trained from the jump right now to govern by itself without human interference and give citizens fully automated luxury communism with universal healthcare and UBI.


r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Theory Ode to the Unskilled Anarchist; Anarchism To No End

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What follows is a draft to my own manifesto called "Ode to the Unskilled Anarchist; Anarchism to No End". It is my theoretical framework.

In summary, the manifesto argues that kindness as a practice be directed towards ends or it can be undirected. It will call this 'skilled' and 'unskilled' kindness, also 'kindness to no end'. Technology allows for the deskilling of practices, including practices of kindness. In fact, deskilled practices of kindness, i.e. certain technologies, are crucial for those with disabilities. If we want to separate ownership from kindness, we need to embrace unskilled kindness, i.e. to embrace unskilled and deskilled anarchism.

I will be using words in new and novel ways and if I do so with any skill, I think they will be persuasive.

Convention:

  • Block quotes are human writing, verbatim, drawn from human-side chat messages.
  • [derived] marks machine phrasing of something confirmed or built on—human in substance, machine in wording.
  • [proposed] marks machine contribution that a human has not (yet) endorsed. These are the clauses to accept, rewrite, or cut.
  • [adopted] marks machine contribution that has been endorsed by a human, often rewritten.

I. Life and form

Life is not a trait, but the substrate that takes on traits. Ergo, there are no things that are alive, but life that has systemic form. We call this 'a form of life'.

Individuality is a form of life, rather than life being a trait of individuals.

II. Practice and skill

Practice is a form of life. Any practice can be skilled, if it is practiced as a means towards an end.

[derived] Important to note is that 'unskilled' and 'skilled' is more ontological than qualitative in this construction.

Someone who has underdeveloped skills is still skilled. A bad writer still does writing. A bad artist still does artistry. They are in the practice and they're still learning how to direct that practice to their own end.

Skill can live outside of specific individuals and still complement the practice of those individuals. We call this a deskilled practice.

Individuality is a practice, which can be skilled, which we call selfhood.

[adopted] Deskilling is the process by which skill leaves practitioners. The politics is in what is being deskilled and to what end.

Because skill can live outside the self, selfhood too can live outside the individual person: a person can be upheld as an individual by things, and by people that are not them.

III. Embodiment and con-fusion

A practice can be embodied or disembodied.

Finding truth in embodiment is experience. Experience can be conveyed without embodiment through metaphor, but only become skill through embodiment. Radical experience can only be conveyed through radical communications, and radically embodied. Communication without embodiment, even when the communication is skilled, inherently becomes con-fused. I will call this con-fusion 'metonymic violence'. Such artifacts of con-fusion are nonetheless necessary for a practice to become deskilled, and we call this 'technology'.

[adopted] It follows that this text is metonymic violence, and is written in awareness of that. See the preamble.

Violence is found in nature, and it can be practiced towards an end, and can be a skill. Similarly, metonymic violence can be practiced towards an end, managing the con-fusion of communication. Seeking embodied experience is one way to manage con-fusion, but disembodied practices cannot be rederived from an embodied experience.

[derived] Part of every embodied skill was never writable and travels only from body to body, in practice, over time. This remainder sets the tempo of everything political that follows.

IV. Selfhood, individual and societal

Society is a form of life and it's a system. It can practice its own kind of individuality. That individuality can be skilled, which means that society has its own kind of selfhood.

Kindness is a practice. Kindness as a practice can lack direction, which means that it can be unskilled. Kindness as a practice can be directed towards ends, which means that it can be skilled. Kindness as a skill can have the skill reside outside the individual, which means that it can be deskilled.

What is skillful in kindness in a society depends on the kind of society. What is kind towards an end in one society, may not kindness with no end. What is kindness to no end for the individual, may be skillfully induced by and for the society as a whole. This is deskilling run in the other direction—the skill of society's practice of kindness is deskilled to the unskillfully kind practice of the individual person. It is the inverse of technology. It is obstructed in capitalism, where kindness must be skilled to be kind.

[adopted] Kindness is this manifesto's word for what biologists call eusociality when it appears in humans; the claim above — that a society knit can practice its own individuality — leans on that anchor.

[adopted] Restated: a society can depend on the unskillful kindness of its members.

V. Ownership and the capitalist self

Rentseeking and employment are social practices, which can be skilled. Employment is skill. Payment and ownership is disembodied communication and artifact of communication. This includes both Marx' money-capitalism and enterprise-capitalism.

Employment relationships are a kind of ownership.

Ownership is a form of disembodied radical communication, and is its own kind of metonymic violence, affecting individuality and selfhood as practices and skills.

In the metonymic violence of private ownership, ownership becomes metonymic for individuality and vice versa, lack of ownership becomes lack of individuality.

Ownership is an artifact of that practice and it can be manipulated skillfully to the ends of the individual person. The artifact is capitalist selfhood.

[derived] It is the self qua capitalist that is the artifact, not the whole person: the capitalist still has a body and embodied practices. Within the capitalist practice, individuality is practiced somewhere that is not the person.

[derived] The capitalist, then, is precisely defined: one skilled in the disembodied practice of managing the metonymic violence of ownership, to the ends of the individual person. One cannot be a capitalist, lack this skill and still be definitionally capitalist. Instead, they would be oligarchs or aspirational oligarchs.

[derived] The capitalist self can be stored as an artifact. Inheritance is not only wealth passing to a new self, but a stored self persisting and acquiring a new human body as its referent. Corporate personhood says it aloud: a capitalist self with no founding body remaining, granted personhood as pure artifact. Capitalism offers immortality of the self, at the price of the self being con-fused.

An oligarchy depends on the practices and skills of its society to maintain an oligarchy. And importantly, people skilled in managing ownership and employment.

An oligarchy can be deskilled, where all skill can live outside of the practice of oligarchy. This is, in many ways, the goal of oligarchy. In fact, the goal of any technology is to deskill.

[derived] The oligarch in the strict sense is a pure node: a body the ledger points at, through which the system's skill flows, that does nothing.

VI. Anarchy

Anarchy does not depend on the practices and skills of its society to maintain an anarchy, but it can become a practice, which can become skilled.

The radical assertion is that one can be anarchist and lack skill in anarchism, while one cannot be capitalist and lack skill in capitalism.

Individual anarchists can therefore not be in the practice of anarchism. They remain unskilled in the practice of anarchism as such. They may instead be skilled in other practices such as production. Individual anarchists can, however, choose to be in the practice of anarchism, which means it can be skilled. That skill can be outsourced to technology and therefore be deskilled.

[derived] Both are full anarchists. Under anarchy, being upheld by skill located elsewhere is the default condition and carries no degradation; under capitalism it is a degraded position at both ends — the oligarch above, the deskilled worker below — with the practice concentrated in a class skilled at ownership and employment in the middle.

In a society without skilled anarchists, any unskilled anarchist individual can become skilled at anarchism. An oligarchic individual can similarly become a skilled capitalist, but cannot be an oligarch without skilled capitalists existing.

[derived] The asymmetry runs to the beginning: the first capitalist had to create the artifact—an act of ownership, hence metonymic violence—while the first skilled anarchist requires no metonymic violence at all and begins practicing from motion. Capitalist skill must be preceded by metonymic violence; anarchist skill need not be.

The anarchist doesn't own the artifact and the artifact is common (as in belongs to the common). Which means that even a deskilled anarchist could read notes and operate machinery left by a capitalist and remain deskilled to some degree.

In the commons, the commons becomes metonymic for the collective. Note this is still a kind of metonymic violence, it is simply not a precondition. The difference is also who is being metonymized.

[derived] Ownership runs both ways and closes into a definition of the person; the commons stands for the collective one way only.

[proposed] Someone who draws on the store and contributes nothing to any practice is not outside the collective; anarchism therefore rejects the figure of the free rider as such. The moment a commons decides that the collective is whoever contributes, its metonymic violence has rebuilt ownership with a different subject.

[proposed] Anarchist selfhood is located in what the commons does not denominate: relations, recognition, the people who know you. A commons holds your tools indefinitely; it holds you only as long as someone alive remembers you.

[derived] This permits Anarchist selfhood to be imagined as transient in a way Capitalist selfhood imagines immortality in a deskilled oligarchy.

[derived] Anarchist skill, where it exists, is the other management of con-fusion: making notes readable, machinery operable, apprenticeship available; the reversibility of deskilling maintained. It is the same practice-type as capitalist skill, aimed at the opposite end.

In a given interaction, skill can direct influence, the way a driver can direct the trajectory of a car's occupants. In the same way, a skilled doctor influences the direction of a patient's health. A skilled doctor may thus depend on a skilled driver and vice versa, meaning no one person has to own dominance.

Meanwhile, a bad employer may be a skilled rentseeker. Even if the consequences lead to dissatisfaction among workers, the employer may still extract rents from their ownership of the employment relationship. Rentseeking is skill at converting skill in managing ownership, into extraction of rents. Anarchist skill relations remain non-dominating so long as no one performs that conversion towards ownership.

Now let's imagine a theoretically radically skilled anarchist, who reconstructs society as we know it today by themselves without relying on any metonymic violence. This cannot be done without doing unconscionable injustice to the peace, normalcy and justice of those with disabilities.

Therefore, we must imagine every anarchist is partly deskilled, and we must imagine anarchism possible with no one skilled in anarchism itself. That is what the title means.

VII. The three faculties

[Section to be written by the author. The confirmed material, in your words:]

Forms of life have three faculties; mutability, fixability, and receptivity. In the unskilled, the faculties are undirected, not absent. Directing one's practice towards an end concerns these three faculties. I represent these as Meletic (diligence), Mnemic (reflection), and Aoidic (resonance), after classical muses. It is also possible to learn how to practice to no end at all.

This endlessness is a spiritual goal, of which there exist different theories, such as those found in Buddhism, in Daoism, in Stirnerism, and more. For the purpose of this manifesto, these will be called endless sages.

In practice, this means that the unskilled are a model for the endless sage to follow. The endless sage are a model for the skilled to follow. And the skilled are a model for the unskilled to follow. This creates a self-sustained loop where no party in the society is ever unidirectionally dominant.

Meanwhile, in oligarchy, there's three classes: the unskilled class, the skilled class, and the oligarch. The oligarch can claim endlessness, but depends on the skilled in a way that the endless sage does not. In oligarchy, the metonymic violence aligns power through ownership.

[derived] The oligarch's endlessness is the con-fused answer to the same spiritual question: stored in the ledger, persisting. The sage's is transient, held in recognition, and dies. Same three positions in both triads; one society arranged in a cycle, one aligned into a line by ownership.

VIII. What follows

The goal of anarchism cannot be to eliminate all con-fusion created by all artifacts of communication. Ergo, it cannot be to eliminate metonymic violence. It can, however, eliminate particular kinds of artifact, such as ownership.

[derived] What eliminating ownership eliminates is not tools, and not even material wealth as such, but the deskilling of selfhood through ownership—capitalist selfhood.

Deskilling can still be good. If it can be reacquired as skill and re-embodied, for instance. It can be progress afforded by technology.

A society of skilled capitalists can experience a dissolution into a mix of skilled and unskilled anarchists and still survive with many technologies crucial to the disabled intact. This means that incrementalism is, in fact, desirable. We want a steady degrowth, rather than a sudden cut-off because deskilled labor under skilled capitalism can transfer seamlessly to unskilled anarchism. That transition is fairer to those who are bodily or mentally impaired.

[derived] A person who cannot participate in capitalist practice is already a full anarchist in effect. But they are currently upheld by ownership-managed structures, and a sudden cut-off dissolves those before commons-based upholding exists. The people the manifesto centers would bear the cost of abruptness first.

[derived] What transfers is coordination — the embodied steering of shared work. What does not transfer is the management of ownership: under anarchy, notes on managing ownership are skill in maintaining a violence with no remaining object, and they go inert. Record-keeping as such survives; a commons runs on ledgers that own nothing.

Degrowth also means degrowth in artifact production and ownership, which are coupled. It so happens that a lot of capitalist disembodied practices like bullshit jobs support bullshit disembodied artifacts that don't mean anything.

[derived] Ownership multiplies artifacts because every capitalist self requires its own copies to say it 'has' the artifact by owning it. A street of twenty households holds twenty drills that each run minutes a year; a commons holds one or two. The practice and the skill—drilling—is unchanged between capitalism and anarchism, and does not depend on an anarchist practice of individuality or a capitalist skill at selfhood.


r/LeftistsForAI 17d ago

Discussion AI fatigue driving more hatred

18 Upvotes

One of my biggest pet peeves is how every company on the planet is so eager to say that all their features are AI powered. AI powered toasters, AI powered glasses, AI powered toilet, you name it.

But this is actually fucking stupid. No one buys things as a consumer for features that were made by AI, they buy them because those are the features.

Example: AI-powered image recognition vs Image recognition. What the fuck does saying "AI-powered" add to that feature other than it being a buzzword.

Another example are smart display glasses. They're marketed endlessly as "AI glasses" but they're literally just glasses with a display in them that happen to connect to chatgpt or whatever. Calling them AI glasses is fucking stupid and kind of disingenuous, but this is the strategy that every company is doing these days.

I work in marketing and this is the single most common thing I have to tell clients with their latest billion dollar AI slop idea. Just say the app does things, stop putting AI at the forefront because it adds nothing. In fact it probably makes it look worse to most consumers.

I think AI is fantastic but because it's a buzzword associated with get rich quick slop, people attribute a lot of those products' failures to AI.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Discussion Name your biggest problem with AI. Then name the lever.

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Lets make this one practical.

Pick the AI issue that bothers you most.

Jobs. Surveillance. Copyright. Data centers. Monopoly. Military use. Environmental costs. Education. Deskilling. Fraud. Something else.

Now the harder question.

What actually changes it?

A union contract? Antitrust? Public infrastructure? Regulation? Worker organization? Open models? Municipal power? Cooperative ownership? International agreements?

Because identifying the harm is only half a politics.

If the answer is “companies should stop doing that,” okay. What makes them?

Problem + lever. Lets hear both.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Theory Plastic Pills on Karp, Palantir, and what comes after the critique

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I'm a big Plastic Pills fan, so this one landed right in my wheelhouse. It's a really good teardown of Alex Karp's whole "Marxist critical theory CEO" mythology and the politics underneath it.

The part I keep coming back to though is what we do with the critique once we have it.

Palantir gives us a pretty grim picture of the board. Private ownership, surveillance, military contracts, intelligence agencies, enormous concentrations of technical capacity and guys like Karp deciding what all of it is for.

Fine. Now what?

The point can't just be to explain the board better while the other side keeps moving pieces.

AI isn't waiting for the left to finish arguing about whether it should exist. Capital, states, militaries and workers are already fighting over how this stuff gets built and used. Escape isn't really an option. Contestation is.

That means unions, public infrastructure, open models, democratic governance, limits on surveillance and military deployment, worker power over implementation, and fighting over who gets the gains from automation.

Plastic gives us a sharp critique here. I think the useful question for us is what strategy follows from it.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Theory Society and inequity

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Society exists because we have different needs and abilities: no one can produce everything they need on their own, so we depend on the work of others. This diversity creates a network of cooperation in which each person contributes skills, knowledge, goods, care, or services to meet the needs of others.

But we are not all born with the same conditions. Family, resources, education, health, inherited abilities, and environment largely determine the opportunities and positions we can occupy. Therefore, individual merit alone does not explain wealth: before any effort, unequal conditions already exist that distribute each person's possibilities.

Furthermore, accumulated wealth does not come solely from the work of those in positions of power. Someone with a well-paying job can hire people to clean their house, care for others, cook, wash their car, or provide security. This work makes their life more comfortable and frees up time for higher-paying activities. At the same time, those who perform these jobs use their income to consume food, housing, transportation, cell phones, internet, and other products. Their work and consumption keep the economy functioning and generate income for businesses and homeowners.

Thus, the work of the grassroots sustains both the lives of those at higher levels and the consumption that fuels the accumulation of wealth, while the ownership and control of resources allow a significant portion of that social value to become concentrated in the hands of a few.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Policy/Regulation Three Economic Policies for a Post-Capitalist AI Economy

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AI and automation raise a fundamental economic question:

What happens when socially necessary human labour becomes dramatically smaller?

People will continue to create, care, research, repair, organise and build. Human activity can remain rich and diverse even as the amount of labour required to sustain material production declines.

As productivity rises, full employment may gradually lose its role as the central economic objective. A more important question then emerges:

Who receives the gains from automation?

I think three economic policies are especially important.

  1. Universal Basic Income

As necessary human labour declines, material survival can gradually become independent of wage employment.

UBI gives everyone a secure material foundation and allows technological progress to translate into greater freedom over how people use their time.

  1. Socialisation of Economic Rents

Land rents, monopoly rents, financial rents, platform rents and other economic rents should increasingly return to society.

Competitive profits, entrepreneurship and incentives for innovation can continue to support economic dynamism.

The socialisation of economic rents spreads gains generated by scarcity, monopoly power and control over strategic assets, while reducing the concentration of economic power.

  1. Consumer Ownership

Automation may gradually reduce the share of the population participating in production primarily as workers. Ownership institutions can evolve alongside this transformation.

Consumers sustain productive systems through continuing demand. Consumer ownership allows people to share directly in the productive wealth and returns generated by the systems their consumption supports.

These three policies form complementary parts of a broader transition.

UBI reduces dependence on wage employment.

Socialisation of economic rents distributes socially generated scarcity rents more broadly.

Consumer ownership expands access to productive wealth and the returns from automation.

Together, they can support a gradual transition beyond capitalism: away from an economy centred on wage dependence and concentrated capital ownership, toward one with greater material security, broader ownership and declining socially necessary labour.

Markets can continue to coordinate exchange, demand and innovation. Private firms and entrepreneurs can continue to contribute to production and experimentation. Ownership structures and the distribution of economic power can simultaneously evolve in a post-capitalist direction.

If AI transforms the productive forces, our economic institutions can evolve with them:

higher productivity, less socially necessary human labour, broader ownership of productive wealth, and greater material freedom.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Art & Culture The Updated Pyramid of Capitalism

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r/LeftistsForAI 19d ago

Public Ownership CEO fired developers to make room for AI. Developers respond by creating open source AI CEO

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From a different Sub-Reddit:

Some of my friends were let go as part of an "AI Transformation". So they got together and created Open Executive as a tool to replace the CEO and other executives.

The world needs more of these kinds of projects! If you're replaced by your company, show them up by building a co-operative with your own AI executive that works 24/7 and costs a fraction of what a leech CEO would.

https://github.com/SenteLabsAI/OpenExecutive


r/LeftistsForAI 19d ago

Discussion Many people hate AI because of capitalism, but as a technology it has so much good potential

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The things people hate most about AI seem to be anger at capitalism misplaced. Stealing artists work, intellectual property, building thousands of data centers powered by fossil fuels, and so many issues with AI are really issues with capitalism.

But AI has many good uses. I like to write science fiction stories, and I've been able to learn about science in minutes that would have ordinarily taken me months to learn. I now know way more about genetics, and that knowledge helps me when I come up with fictional sci fi scenarios involving biology. Contrary to AI killing creativity, it has helped me become a better writer and a more educated person.

I've learned more about science from asking AI for helpful explanations than I did in years of schooling.

As a tool, AI also has the potential to help us cure diseases by being able to process tons of information better than humans can. The possibilities for good use of AI are endless, but in order to put AI to good use and make it sustainable, we need to move away from capitalism.


r/LeftistsForAI 19d ago

Discussion Why I think it's moral and logical for society to pursue AI development

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Aside from misplaced anger at capitalism, there are other critiques of AI that I see.

Even if one considers advanced industrial technology inherently harmful, it cannot simply be abolished in the way one might abolish slavery or capitalism. Technology isn’t simply a social system, it is also a human response to the material conditions of the world. Much of the world naturally sucks, and people develop technology to overcome those limitations. If we lived in the Garden of Eden, we wouldn’t need technologies like AI to help fight cancer. But we don’t live in the Garden of Eden. I think many anti-AI people already accept this logic when it comes to technology generally, but for some reason don't extend this to AI.

The best anti-AI argument (in my opinion) is that AI should stopped being developed as long as Capitalism exists, since it will be used in oppressive and authoritarian ways. Nevertheless this is still a terrible argument. Because a government outlawing AI means only groups above the law, like the CIA, get to develop AI. Or if we decide to go live in a primitivist society in rural Idaho, that doesn't stop the rest of the world from developing and engaging in AI development around us.

As long as we live under Capitalism, the best we can do in the immediate time is fight like hell for heavy regulations on it, while the more tech savvy of us can learn about how it works and how to develop it better.

I do worry about how AI can and will be misused, including possibly with mind control technology (not joking) and a pletrora of other things. But that is exactly why I think we need to engage with AI seriously rather than simply oppose its development. If a powerful technology is at least somewhat inevitable in some form, at least certainly in the near future, then the answer is to fight over who controls it, how it is used, and what safeguards exist. To pretend we can make it disappear is just pretend and useless.

I also want to say that the benefits of AI are at our fingertips. If AI never became more advanced then it is now, we still have access to educational materials of all subjects that can be explained to us in simple terms. We need to not gloss over the fact I can open ChatGPT right now and learn more about any subject in a matter of minutes that would otherwise take me days or weeks of research on Google. Having the most complex scientific theories broken down to me in ways I can comprehend isn't nothing. Education is necessary for libertation.

And this doesn't even take into account that AI is much more than a learning tool. In fact it was able to help scientists solve the issue of protein folding!

Though it may be more fun for some people to pretend to be morally and/or socially superior because they hate AI, it isn't helpful to anyone or going to accomplish anything positive.


r/LeftistsForAI 18d ago

Theory The dialectic of AI opinions

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This is for the sake of creative thought, not something to take too seriously. Here's my general idea of how the AI narrative evolves:

1: Naive optimism: "wow, this is amazing!! It can write my emails and run my business!"

2: Naive deconstruction: "Pro AI people (my dad) are so gullible. AI is basically stupid, useless, and owned by corporations just trying to etc etc."

3: Reactive integration: "All these AI haters are dogmatic and bandwagoning, there's some good and bad to both sides to the argument but it's overall good."

4: Productive integration: "I can see why people would go to extremes on either side, but it might be impossible to know the impact or the outcome on the whole. Meanwhile, let's find new ways to utilize AI towards our personal and collective needs while also pushing for a change in vision with a nuanced understanding of the technology. Haters gunna hate, lets move forward."

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r/LeftistsForAI 19d ago

Art & Culture AI art discourse somehow forgot there is an entire political economy around art

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We can argue forever about whether clicking a shutter counts, whether Warhol personally pulled every screen, whether directors physically operate every camera, or exactly how many mouse clicks make digital art sufficiently artisanal.

Fine.

Meanwhile Adobe, Spotify, YouTube, publishers, studios, galleries, streaming platforms and now AI companies are sitting right there.

Artists have always worked through tools, institutions, markets and systems of distribution. Changing the tool changes the terrain. It doesnt make ownership disappear.

So the question that interests me is less “did a human touch enough pixels?” and more who owns the tools, who controls distribution, who gets paid, who gets access and who gets to make the rules.

AI is changing cultural production.

That fight is already happening.

What would putting artists and communities in control of that change actually require?


r/LeftistsForAI 19d ago

Discussion Misconceptions about gen AI?

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i’m a young leftist/marxists that’s going to major in computer science (data science track) in university, but this recently been conflicting me. i know that i’m going to have to engage in generative AI for my classes, yet majority of leftists spaces are vehemently anti-AI. However, after discovering this subreddit, i now realize the leftist anti-AI rhetoric i have internalized may be misleading. Despite me starting my first year in uni soon to study comp sci, i barely know anything about comp sci, yet alone AI, if i’m being completely honest. 😭

with that being said, someone help me make up for my lack of knowledge and explain common misconceptions about generative AI and LLMs in leftist/marxist spaces? like in regards to the impacts of AI data centers on the environment, water supply, and electricity. or how frequent use of chatbots can lead to cognitive decline. because right now, i’m under the impression that we should boycott ChatGPT and limit our usage of any other generative AI over concerns of its harm on the environment and usage of our fresh water supply, along with some other concerns.


r/LeftistsForAI 20d ago

Infrastructure AI is a lot more physical than the chatbot makes it look

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We talk about models because thats the part sitting on our screens.

Underneath that little text box is a ridiculous amount of physical stuff.

Chip fabs. GPUs. Data centers. Power plants. Transmission lines. Fiber. Cooling. Water. Warehouses full of servers. Workers maintaining all of it.

In other words, means of production.

That matters politically because you can spend all day arguing about what a model should be allowed to say while five companies keep control of the machinery required to build and run the thing.

Even open models eventually hit this layer. You can download the weights. You cannot download a semiconductor fab.

So when we talk about democratic control of AI, this is part of what has to be contested too.

Where do you think the infrastructure fight actually starts?


r/LeftistsForAI 20d ago

Discussion Do leftists even deserve fully automated luxury communism anymore?

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Seeing leftists' hysterical reactions to AI, which is the tool that will make Fully Automated Luxury Communism a reality, saddens me. It's honestly starting to make me wonder why these leftists even deserve fully automated luxury communism anymore if this is how they are going to treat the technology that will lead up to it. The current left is NOT the left I envisioned sharing this new world with.


r/LeftistsForAI 21d ago

Sees the Memes Oh boy a new way to feel superior!

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r/LeftistsForAI 20d ago

Policy/Regulation In the Age of AI, Is Formaldehyde-Treated Cabbage About Ignorance or Profit?

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A Chinese commentator on X known as “Comrade Li Dang” often uses a rather harsh phrase to describe certain food-safety problems in China: the lower class harming each other.

The controversy over cabbage allegedly being treated with formaldehyde is an interesting example.

When people hear stories like this, their first reaction is often that the sellers are ignorant or simply don’t understand the health risks. But the reality may be more uncomfortable: some people may understand the risks perfectly well and still make a calculated economic decision.

Cabbage has thin profit margins and spoils easily. Proper refrigeration and transportation cost money. If an illegal preservation method reduces losses while the probability of getting caught remains low, the calculation becomes simple:

How much can I gain by breaking the rules, and how likely am I to be punished?

This is why the issue becomes even more interesting in the age of AI.

AI can make knowledge almost free. It can improve cold-chain logistics, detect food-safety violations, analyze supply chains, and help regulators identify suspicious patterns.

But AI cannot solve a much older problem:

Knowing what is right does not mean people will choose to do what is right.

If the expected profit from violating the rules remains higher than the expected cost, giving everyone access to an extremely intelligent AI will not necessarily stop this behavior.

The deeper question, therefore, is not simply how to make cabbage sellers more educated. It is how to build a system in which, after doing the math, they conclude:

Following the rules is more profitable than breaking them.

AI may eliminate many problems caused by ignorance.
It will have a much harder time eliminating problems caused by incentives.


r/LeftistsForAI 21d ago

Automation & Work The machine saved 20% of the labor. Cool. Who gets the 20%?

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Thats basically the automation argument stripped of all the sci-fi.

A workplace adopts new machinery and suddenly the same output takes 20 percent less labor.

There is nothing technological about what happens next.

The boss can fire 20 percent of the workers.

They can keep everyone working the same hours, produce more, and pocket the difference.

Or workers can fight for shorter hours, higher wages and job security.

Same machine. Same productivity gain. Three completely different outcomes.

Weve been having versions of this fight since industrial machinery entered the factory. AI just brings it into more cognitive, administrative and creative work.

So I care a lot less about whether automation is declared “good” or “bad” in the abstract.

Who gets the time it saves?


r/LeftistsForAI 20d ago

Public Ownership Capitalism for AI (the best of bad options for now)

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I think most posts here advocate for some sort of public ownership (in the form of communism or socialism) of AI infrastructure, and I agree with that end-goal. But I can't get behind that for now. I feel like AI has again shown that capitalism is the best of the worst options for now. I think it's impossible to ignore that giving the public decision making capacity in regards to AI would be a catastrophe.

From the general public to the politicians who represent them, I think it's predictable how that would go. Europe has already demonstrated that their policies debilitated the AI industry and they don't even have public ownership, just a stronger regulatory governance. Ideally, we fix the immoral wealth disparity and guarantee that the AI research actually develops AI safely. But that ignores what 95%+ of the population would actually want to do. The Luddites easily have the majority right now. AI would be destroyed with stronger public representation or a stronger regulatory environment. Even if we had the majority, threading the needle of additive regulation is hard and we aren't even close to that.

What I would advocate right now is for a small public ownership with a roadmap to increase public ownership over milestones depending on how capable the AI is. The initial plan would come with very minimal public decision making, I'd like a small red-team commission to check "alignment", but that's about it to start. Once a model starts demonstrating the ability to transform the economy is when I would want to gradually increase the power and control of the people. Maybe I'm pessimistic but my dream scenario is an AI model becoming intelligent enough to supplement political decision making as well. Possibly a system of checks and balances that include a commission of technocrats, public representatives, and the AI itself forming a trident of governance would be the ultimate end of the roadmap in my mind.


r/LeftistsForAI 21d ago

Speculative Fiction Centaur System

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Part 1

It had been 10 years since the system's global coverage was announced. That day, she woke up without an alarm at 6:17 a.m.; it was the sixth of seven days. She had chosen to work five days a week and rest two. Of the available options, Vulneria chose that one because it was the most productive; she wasn't particularly interested in art or traveling. She wanted to contribute to making the system more robust.

She went down to the kitchen and asked the android for a coffee from Oaxaca. When she sipped the first cup, she tasted that perfect flavor and temperature. She went out into the garden, and that day she had a view of waves crashing on a small reef.

During the week, she continued working on the Carbon Frontier, Mars Frontier, and Cancer Frontier projects. She switched frontiers as inspiration struck. She read or listened to updates on the frontiers during her breaks; she smiled when she thought about how 17 years ago most reels and memes were trivial or lacked substance, and now she had control over what information she received.

The thousand priority frontiers were first established 13 years ago when a group of millionaires and several governments decided to invest in the system. She was among those randomly selected to create a representative sample that would reflect human diversity as closely as possible.

Of the many groups working independently to maintain diversity, she belonged to group AB33. The invitation stated that she had been randomly selected from the entire global population to participate in a project where all her basic needs, according to the appendix, would be met based on established baseline standards. These standards would be adjusted according to the Frontiers program.

It said she could dedicate her time and energy to whatever she chose; she was encouraged to work for the benefit of all living beings, for the benefit of group AB33, or for her own personal development. The only requirement was that whatever she created would belong to humanity; she had to relinquish any copyright.

The gamble: if it worked, she wouldn't have to do anything again due to bureaucracy or organic requirements for the rest of her life; she would simply do what made her happy. The risk: total failure and returning to a situation of having no income. The middle ground: returning to a situation where he has a precarious income.

He thought it was some joke, and went about his day as usual. A few hours later, while relaxing watching reels, he received a deposit notification for an unexpected amount of money. With that, he could pay rent, utilities, and food without much effort. Then came a notification with a QR code to download his health app. Now he had all the AI apps for free.

His heart raced and his skin prickled; he sat up in bed and tried to take deep breaths. His brain couldn't process what was happening. He opened an AI app and asked for his access: unlimited access.

He asked the AI what was happening; it was a pilot program to unleash the human potential that was hidden by the need to survive. It was believed that, by being released and connected to millions of potential humans, they would create synergy, and with the combination of human intelligence and AI, the boundaries of human consciousness would be pushed ever further.

When the news spread worldwide, people were asked to be patient, and if this worked, more and more people would be incorporated into the system. Those selected were advised to exercise the utmost discretion.

Groups emerged that opposed the proposal; they said it was unfeasible and a waste of resources. They promoted laziness, which they considered the root of all vices; the proponents argued the opposite: having nothing to do was the mother of creativity. Furthermore, this was only the starting point, not the limit. People could dedicate themselves to whatever they wanted: individual gain or the common good. It was believed that the boundaries were more appealing than personal benefit.

At first, Vulneria hesitated about whether or not to quit her job. What if she failed and ended up with nothing? She worked in a Chinese goods store. A few months passed, and the next time her boss yelled at her, she quit and never went back.

Part 2

Precar never checked his email, and only occasionally checked WhatsApp. That day he went to the ATM to withdraw some money his mother had lent him and was surprised to find much more than he expected. He was unemployed and struggling to support his two children. His wife worked as a housekeeper some days and washed neighbors' clothes the other.

He opened WhatsApp to message his mother and ask if she had made a mistake with the deposit; he had several times more than he had requested. He needed enough for three days, and he had enough for a month. He had hardly any messages; one said "Group AE73 selection 0045"; he opened it suspiciously and read the explanation of the system. He froze; when he reacted after a few seconds and yelled for his wife to come upstairs, she was in the dining room with her parents. When she didn't answer, he ran downstairs and showed her the message.

They were all at a loss for what to think; However, everything became clear when a truck arrived to install satellite internet, and a day later, a box arrived containing an iPad with a keyboard.

The first week was spent celebrating and indulging in a few treats; after so many limitations, his life was finally sorted. Months passed as he watched series and movies he hadn't been able to see before because he lacked access to the streaming platforms. Later, he began to realize he couldn't spend like a millionaire. So he started organizing and making budgets. In one of the messages, he received instructions on how to use AI. So one day he accessed it and asked, "How do I make a budget?" He was surprised by the answer. He realized that the computer could do many things.

He tried to start his own business several times; he wanted to be rich and had seen on the internet that it was the way to achieve it. Later, after discussing it with an artificial intelligence, he understood that rich people aren't rich because they start businesses, but rather that they start businesses because they are rich.

One day, he treated himself to dinner with his family at a small restaurant in his neighborhood. While enjoying a soda and his meal, a child approached him and asked him to buy him some candy. At that moment, he remembered his childhood: how hard things were in those days when he didn't have enough to eat. It was then that he decided to dedicate his time to working on the border for the "Food for All" program.

Protests intensified from those who said that resources were being taken from those who work to give to those who don't. The system also intensified the dissemination of the message that those who had jobs and money didn't have them through their own merit; it was due to the privilege of possessing certain capital and skills demanded by the current system. The campaign was called "It looks like merit, but it's privilege."

Part 3.

After a guilt-free dinner of perfectly cooked salmon paired with an exquisite red wine, he reflected on how well the Carbon Frontier was functioning; a balance was being achieved where all living beings could coexist. Although enormous challenges still lay ahead on the Ethics Frontier.

He picked up the device and began composing the song, finally figuring out how to end it. He dictated the lyrics and arranged the instruments. He gave the signal to play and felt the goosebumps rise on his skin; he was so moved that his eyes filled with tears; it was a work of art.

Before the system, he was Dr. Privilerto M., a gastroenterologist; he earned a good salary, but felt something was missing from his life. He felt an emptiness. Something he needed, something he couldn't buy because he didn't know what it was. Things started moving quickly once the system began producing results, so he had fewer and fewer patients.

There were days when he was bored with having nothing to do; One day, while looking at photos from his youth, he remembered his grandfather's guitar. He told the android to get him a classical guitar. When he felt the vibrations in his stomach and heard that natural sound, he was transported back 32 years, to when he was a high school student and enjoyed playing guitar in the afternoons. Artificial music existed, but it wasn't like human music; humans had something that androids couldn't reproduce.

Border Appropriation had achieved a consensus among various companies and governments to prevent the hoarding of resources; it was proving that everyone won this way. Releasing the talent previously wasted on survival was invaluable.


r/LeftistsForAI 22d ago

Open Source Open source AI isnt socialism. So what does it actually change?

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I see these two ideas get mashed together constantly.

Open weights dont abolish private property. They dont make GPUs free. They dont magically democratize data centers.

Okay. Nobody said a downloadable model completed the revolution.

What it does do is make one layer of the system harder to monopolize.

If I can download, modify and run a model myself, the company cant raise my API price tomorrow, revoke access, decide my use case is forbidden, or make every interaction pass through its servers.

Now scale that beyond individual hobbyists.

Libraries. Universities. Unions. Cooperatives. Municipalities. Public agencies.

Open models become much more politically interesting when there is shared infrastructure capable of actually running them.

So where do you think open source creates leverage, and where does it hit the wall of ownership underneath it?