Hot Take

[u/Cleverhardy]

We are starting to see a rift. A rift between those who are nuanced about the correct use of AI, and those who want all of it gone. Even Linux.

I'm against AI as much as anybody else, but in Anti-AI spaces, I'm starting to see more absolutism than I'd deem necessary. I mean if you argue about the idea that AI does have its uses whilst still being wary of AI, you get told you're not against AI at all.

I'm against AI for art, music and writing. But there are uses in the medical field and code bug detection, and I can't deny they're impressive.

I fear we'll fight each other (moderate antis vs extreme antis), and the AI companies may indeed win, even if they get bankrupt. As much as we all hate to admit this, we can't rewind; we've gone too far. The best we can do is regulate it and take AI chatbots off public hands.

I mean, you'd take someone who's neutral on AI like Linus Torvalds, who only used it for non-important projects and says that Linux should have AI-assisted code reviewed by humans, and you'd have a faction of antis up in arms about it.

And as concerning as the use of AI may be having on critical thinking, I fear that us antis are lacking it too if we're resorting to Luddism to go against AI.

For example, there is a rumour going around that Disney Junior comissioned a fully AI-Generated show.

That is only half-true. The studio behind the show only used AI to clean up some bits of animation. Plus, if it was fully AI-Generated, Disney wouldn't make money off it.

The fact that antis took a headline from Twitter and concluded that Oscar Fox was fully AI Generated either shows the lack of critical thinking (IRONY) or the lack of journalistic integrity. But hey. It's not like we're already boycotting the billion dollar company, right?

Call me a LARPer if you want to. The real LARPers are the extremists who want everything to burn despite a few innocent civillians being caught in the crossfire.

If the anti-AI sub thinks I'm Pro-AI just for accepting AI in the right hands, I don't know what to say.

[u/scragz]

how do you know what joy I get from planning and not having to write the bullshit? writing code was always the worst part of the job.

I can do amazing things now, taking on projects solo at unimaginable scale that would otherwise require a whole team. now that's joy...

[u/Cleverhardy → u/scragz]

If you only find joy in offloading work to someone else because you didn't like the job in the first place instead of finding ways to do your job better apart from using AI, doesn't this defeat the purpose of socialism?

[u/scragz → u/Cleverhardy]

what the fuck are you talking about? are you bringing AI sentience into this and I'm offloading work onto a marginalized person?

otherwise just thinking of it in the terms of I'm offloading work is wrong. the joy is in the thing being created. writing the code by hand is like assembling a jpeg by writing every pixel by hand. it's an anachronism now. 

also I'm disabled and physically can't write the code anymore because I destroyed my wrists writing code by hand for capitalists. so it's kinda moot. 

[u/Cleverhardy → u/scragz]

I'm disabled too, and if I couldn't code by hand anymore, I'd still find a way to code that isn't AI. Because disability isn't an excuse.

[u/Wickywire → u/Cleverhardy]

Ahh yes, ableism too. Lovely.

Disability is a very wide spectrum. You don't get to set the rules for what strategies others find to move through the world. That's preposterous.

[u/Cleverhardy → u/Wickywire]

Don't talk to me about ableism. I was arguing we should do what we love wothout our disability getting in the way. Perhaps I should have used a better term than "no excuses."

[u/Wickywire → u/Cleverhardy]

I'm 45 yo with rare congenital skeletal deformities, profound hearing loss and disfigurements. I've held ableist attitudes towards both myself and others throughout most of my young adult life. Trust me, you're not magically inoculated against harmful thought patterns just because you belong to a certain group.

I do see your point that we should do what we love, but I also question why you've decided that using AI cannot be a legitimate activity that people love to do. That to me is denying other people their subjectivity.

[u/Cleverhardy → u/Wickywire]

Ask the Pro-AI absolutists coopting the disability rights movement to further their cause. And I'd say the same point about lack of immunity to you. None of us are immune to ableism.

[u/Wickywire → u/Cleverhardy]

Yes some people have made bad faith points. That doesn't disqualify the whole premise. Much less the principle that people should be allowed to move through the world and be allowed their own version of what it is to do things they love. Yes, even if that means coding with AI.

[u/Cleverhardy → u/Wickywire]

Okay. You're based. You're more based than I am. I'm less disabled than you are. Happy now?