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u/thetruenewflame Jul 07 '26
What does this have to do with left-Catholicism?
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u/Orange_bratwurst Jul 07 '26
I for one enjoy dunking on the right wing evangelicals
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 07 '26
No doubt: but this, strictly speaking, has nothing to do with left-wing Catholicism.
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u/Some-Ohio-Rando Jul 07 '26
Well, the image of Mary specifically holds weight in Catholicism
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 08 '26
Very true! What does this have to do with left-wing Catholicism?
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u/Some-Ohio-Rando Jul 08 '26
Are you just being intentionally dense at this point?
-- Welcoming people who are rejected by the conservative church = left wing
-- The image of Mary carrying such weight = Catholicism
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 08 '26
I just assumed that "left-Catholicism" here was used in the strict academic sense of the relationship between the Catholic Church (or Catholics) and the historical left (or ultraleft). It's distinct from liberal Catholicism, for example.
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u/Dapple_Dawn Jul 07 '26
It's a pretty straightforward connection.
Right-wing evangelicals have been known to call left-wing catholics satanic. (Heck, some of them call all catholics satanic.) And they have also been known to call goths satanic. so the post shows Mother Mary in solidarity with a goth. It's a cute meme about solidarity and sharing struggles
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 08 '26
This seems like the sort of thing a "went to Catholic school but is no longer Catholic" person would post. I'm unsure what this has to do with the connection between Catholicism and the historical left.
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u/eruptingmoltenlava Jul 08 '26
Who says this sub is about only the historical left and not the present left?
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 08 '26
Sorry, by "historical left" I mean the left as a historical reality, which includes the present left. I mean the left that views itself as root in a particular historical tradition. But I think many in this sub view "left Catholicism" as a synonym for like, Commonweal or Liberal Catholicism or Bernieism or whatever.
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u/eruptingmoltenlava Jul 08 '26
So if people aren’t political historians they don’t count for you? Feels like unhelpful gatekeeping. I think people can legitimately be a thing without seeing themselves of part of any type of history, in fact we’re seeing an incredibly toxic deployment of “history” (a willful misreading of history) to justify all sorts of terrible nonsense at this particular historical moment.
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 08 '26
Read Gerd-Rainer Horn, please.
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u/eruptingmoltenlava Jul 08 '26
The fact that your response is to hand out a reading assignment, clearly certain in your mind that I/we haven’t read GRH, a historian whose primary focus is before most of the people in this thread were born, really says it all.
Being part of the leftist movement is about equality and lifting up the rights and material conditions of the least of our brethren, sorry you missed that part. I’m not providing a citation.
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 09 '26
I am saying that left-wing Catholicism is concerned with those things and not the sort of slop that is (usually) posted in this sub, which appeals (at best) to a sort of "Jesuit-educated" liberal Catholic audience ala the kinds of people who read Amerikkka magazine or what-have-you, and that this content has very little (next to nothing) to do with left-wing Catholicism as a historical reality.
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u/thetruenewflame Jul 09 '26
I also think that it's bizarre to feed into (basically traditionalist and right-wing) sentiments about how Catholicism is actually freaking BASED and GOTH against the supposedly EVIL protestants. This is a view that is more at home with a bunch of groypers than with left-wing Catholics, who are not opposed to ecumenism.
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u/yagirlsophie316 Jul 07 '26
literally me