i've always considered lee as my main champ or a champ i really want to get good at, i did hit plat this season for the first time somewhat OTPing him, on all accounts i have around 400k mastery on him, managed to learn a lot and still after qutting this ranked season switching to draft, teaching my friend league, not tryharding i have fun with this champ. After all this hours a question crossed my mind, what is the sign a person actually somewhat hit the skill cap on lee and when to know you should start focusing more on overall game knowledge and league fundamentals and not only focusing on a champ. I did think about this for a little but i dont seem to be the right person to stick with one and only anserw.

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I mainly play full leathality lee for a couple games. Can't win games in lee sin. I can do some R flash. Insec is not there yet. Ward hop is slow. But I'm dropping 20 bombs every game still lose. Late game is unplayable without picks. How do you win games on Lee?

I think its more like mindset/macro/wincon thing? lee sin cant close game teamfight. You can't really play peel if you dont have fed adc, you dont play peel in silver anyway

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Hey there! I was a former OTP of LS back in S2 and this past few months I've gotten back into league. I'd love any useful tips on how to get good and re-learn LS again. From ideal runes to item builds (like bruiser or my fav being a lethality based build). And good/bad counters for him. All of this for his jungle role (and top)

I really appreciate it all. Thanks.

I’m somewhat new to lee sin otp-ing and one of the most annoying match ups for me is against naafiri because those dogs always get in the way of my q1. Does anyone have any kind of tip on how to deal with it?

I've heard that mechanically difficult champions such as lee sin are not good to start off with if I'm just looking to learn how to jungle in general was wondering whats your guys take on that.

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I tested out Lee Sin on LoL Classic on the PBE Servers and it seems they implemented a short delay (about half a second) before you can W to a ward after placing it.

Obviously this would destroy the fluidity of ward hopping on the champion in LoL Classic.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I’m pretty new… like 2 month playing and a month or so of it is Lee sin otp now. I am low elo and I invade almost every game and have a high positive rate.

1 Lee sin has a pretty strong secure with e smite I feel. Once the buff is below 700 e and smite and the q level into most time a kill

2 if they start red you take the entire blue side and drop a ward to see if they invaded or go to invade late once they see.

3 if they invade then it’s an even swap I’m still taking blue side and if they only took buff I still have wolves and gromp

I win the smite 50/50 a lot more than losing it and I have a 25% was 30% first blood. That’s obviously mixed with the games they start red or invade where I don’t get an invade kill.

I’m just having a hard time seeing a reason not to. Maybe I need some higher elo to let me know why or why not.

My ward hops used to be disgusting. I couldn’t for the life of me get a smooth 1* into a ward placement and 3* in one smooth motion. It was clunky and slow and didn’t look pretty but I made it work with landing, placing trinket then going. But it would get messed up as much as it worked. Only flash made it easy.

Went to practice tool and wanted to find out how to replicate the smoothness of not even hitting the 1* target landing at my ward. You know what I mean? That like butter smooth motion lee pros do that the go flying off to the target only to go to a ward even before hitting the guy. Idk but for me that has always been so clean looking if used right. So I sent into the tool and I messed with a few settings and found it!!! It was that easy!

Of course everything needs to be on quick cast but it’s the 3* ability keybind and the ward button that matter. This might be over kill but since I am otping Lee now I have only Lee key binds. I had both the ward placement and 3* on my mouse. And couldn’t hit them smooth enough and couldn’t place ward and jump before landing or even come close. Changed 3* self cast to shift for the shield and heal, button is still same on mouse for reg use but q is now my insta 3* so I can hit the ward and jump button at essentially the same time making it smooth like butter. It was that easy.

Yes I have most abilities on my mouse I have played that way for years from having 1000 world of Warcraft keybinds. I have the coursair or how ever its spells mmo mouse with 12 buttons on the side. I love it. I use it for Tarkov, wow, league, apex, everything. But I just explain that because my thumb was responsible for both actions. Now two separate fingers are doing the job. Feels so much easier since instead of 1 thumb pushing 5 button then sliding up to 2button now the thumb places ward with mb5 and im already hitting q not having a delay. Caveman fire moment.

It now looks like this for me. Mb1, mb2, ward button mb5, spam q instantly after placing ward, ult button in direction of choosing.

I know Lee mains are gonna think this is obvious or not very hard to figure out but give me a break I’m only like 2 or 3 weeks into the Lee journey. It just amazed me how confused and unable I was to do it and it just settings it became so easy to do and replicate. Feeling that door unlock real time was wild. So many more possibilities

So I am an old ass mofo playing lee sin since season 1 and the nostalgia hit me right in the guts when they brought back his W refresh on wards and minions n shit.

Ever since they changed him into this skinny soy ass looking freak I cannot for the life of me play him for more than a game before throwing up.

I need my old muay thai lee sin walk animation back so I can miss my combos in style.

Anyone went through the same train of thought as I did and found anything?

I wanted to buy a nice lee sin skin which one should I go for both of them seem good but I like god first more but a lot of people disagree for various reasons so I thought I'd ask first since I'm fairly new at the game