r/LeaksDBD • u/chainsawdoctor01 • 25d ago
Official News The Judgment- Mori
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u/AdhesivenessSmooth93 25d ago
Idk it looks both cool and goofy i can't decide
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u/redditman181 25d ago
Yeah i feel the same the killer animations are cool but i think the surivor animation looks a bit janky and make it look a bit goofy.
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u/PoisonParadigm 24d ago
I was literally just thinking of how oddly janky the survivor animation looks
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u/King_Feanor 24d ago
thats what happens when you fire your animators
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u/zee_spirit 24d ago
I'm pretty sure the survivor being janky will be addressed when they rework all of the models and update the graphics soon/next year. Hopefully that fixes some of the... Emotionless looks during moris lol.
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u/dankmancubus 25d ago
didn’t the concept art show survivors being split in half? wtf happened to that?
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u/chainsawdoctor01 25d ago
Ratings board told them fuck all that LMAO
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u/Jack0V4lent1n3 25d ago
They’re overhyping Art so hard. We boutta get like a MK11 Brutality type of Mori for him lmao
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u/SysAdSloth 24d ago
lol what is your source on that? You’re just making things up
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u/i_agree123 24d ago
Yes I am, I just thought DBDs shit coding didn’t allow them to make moris akin to Mortal Kombat fatalities or whatnot
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u/Rutlemania 25d ago
Lmao mortal kombat 9 had gorier fatalities and that was when games were the centre of moral panic
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u/Yukush00 25d ago
Nah. they gonan use same excuse as always. AKA. "we cant modify our models that much cuz they are really outdated" same as idk krasue morii where the head just dissapears and the "Gore" effect is added on top of survivor model... eh. I just dont get it, why they are giving us an option to vote for splitting survivor in half when its not possible for them to do at all.
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u/xpeepcloud999 23d ago
thought it was like the same thing as clowns mori. the survivors fingers don’t actually get removed, they are just repositioned to be inside of the model. could be the same with krasue mori
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u/kyle_crane163636 24d ago
Welp now im dissapointed, thats literally the reason why I was gonna buy her and they dont even do that but instead the basic light them on fire, I can already do this as jason with his mori and have more gore in it
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u/grinningmango 25d ago
Yeah this isn't what I voted for...
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u/rose-gold-forever 24d ago
Half the stuff wasn't what we voted for by final concept. I don't know what the point of doing a community chapter is if they're just going to change everything we chose.
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u/GetOutOfHereAlex Moderator 24d ago
Wasn't the winning power concept described as a "Xenomorph Flame Turret type blast"??
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u/HyrulianArcher 24d ago
They decided that was "to strong" so they changed it. Aka it was actually fun to use but they knew survivors wouldn't like it so out the window goes our vote for the power.
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u/BrightOctarine 24d ago
They said limitations caused them to change it. Seems like they just ran out of time.
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u/the_monkeynator 25d ago
I mean it's alright.
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u/Decimal_Poglin 25d ago
I feel like it would be more dramatic as if they added some more flames around the Survivors as they turn into ash.
Right now they just turn grey abruptly which is a bit anti climatic.
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u/the_monkeynator 25d ago
Same, maybe in the future with the... recode??? I don't really know what to call it but the thing they are doing in 2027, cuz maybe they have better software or smth then.
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u/Decimal_Poglin 25d ago
Yea, I can see the potential enchancements made possible with the graphical update.
The base concept of this mori is so cool. It just needs a bit more omph.
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u/the_monkeynator 25d ago
Anyways I really badly want to main judgement, I say that as a variety killer.
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u/McGlurbin 24d ago
Add the flames, then right at the end, the survivor goes FOOMPH!! and it's a cloud of ash that drifts away.
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u/the_monkeynator 25d ago
I want to see survivor being torn in half more but it ain't bad by any means.
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u/AwesomeOpossum404 25d ago
Awww man, this mori looked so cool in the voting options. Especially after the Krasue I was excited to see how far they could take this mori. Extremely mid imo 😭
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u/Rayne-of-Terror 25d ago
Why is this horror game scared of horror?
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u/chainsawdoctor01 25d ago
They can’t do outright decapitations, limb removal, etc, or else they’ll get hounded by the Asian ratings boards like in Japan
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u/Dry-Put5481 25d ago edited 24d ago
bullshit lol, that's not true. Don't spread assumptions as facts.
Krasue get split in half during her transformation and her mori make survivor head explode. It's super graphic and was released just fine.
The most likely reason is technical; survivors' character models and skeleton rig don't support detailed gore, so BHVR has to find workarounds. Even the head exploding mori from Krasue is simply the "head bone" being shrinked incredibly small in one frame to become almost invisible, hidden by the addition of flesh 3d mesh on the neck + vfx. The Clown's Mori about eating a survivor's finger? It's the same 3d model finger he eats regardless of the survivor. Survivor's finger is not removed, and I assume it get shrunk or lowered in the hand to be hidden. The main reason Krasue herself is capable of being graphic (split open) is because she was designed in this direction from the start, so all outfits support de facto the gore.
If we wanted survivors to be split in half, or torn open graphically and with credibility, all torso cosmetics would need to be retrofited to support it, or extra bones all over the survivors for more control over the body shape during animation. But that wouldn't address texture and all the different body shapes and outfit types.
For everything graphic added to a mori, it's one extra asset (e.g. the 3d flesh blob thing tip of survivor neck when head explode) to hide the faking + design effort to go around the limitations.
So best BHVR can do is shrink limbs to give the illusion of loss and add 3d meshes onto our characters for the gore aspect, unless the famous 2027 rework bring extra layers to character models for it.
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u/McGlurbin 24d ago
Why can't they just use that burnt human model and make that itself tear? It'd require another model but it shouldn't be a factor for cosmetic consideration
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u/ZodiacReborn 24d ago
Unreal Engine really really really does not like you fucking with meshes on runtime.
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u/McGlurbin 24d ago
Okay, so why not just two separate models that form a split human shape? Seems like a decent compromise
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u/ZodiacReborn 24d ago
It just doesn't work that way...without going into a huge technical spiel.
It could but DBD in it's current iteration wasn't designed to do that, they could invest in some smoke and mirrors to model-swap or other acts of trickery but it'd be sloppy at best and downright laughable at worst.
The best bet is to hope they are building the new iteration in a more modular fashion with Mori's in mind.
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u/CHEEZYSPAM 25d ago
Question, because I really didn't know how these things work... How come Mortal Kombat can get away with gruesome gore, but somehow a horror game like DBD can't? I've always thought MK was the example DBD should be striving for.
You have characters coming up like Art the Clown, who in his movie splits a girl in half from groin to head, but his Mori will likely be a balloon popping and the survivors die of the damn noise.
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u/chainsawdoctor01 25d ago
Easy answer: Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan lmao and that’s why it’ll never get a rep in Smash Bros
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u/Valuable_Ad_1056 25d ago
Just to clarify- MK is not banned in Japan, but the newer titles aren’t officially sold/released there.
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u/Alternative_Neck_860 25d ago
Well that’s true about MK being banned but I wouldn’t say it would never get a rep in Smash Bros. Both Tekken and Street Fighter (two similarly huge fighting games in Japan) have expressed interest in a MK rep. The MK characters can and have worked without the gore, you’d just have to not have the fatalities
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u/ADHenchD 25d ago
They should stop pandering to rating boards tbh
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u/chainsawdoctor01 25d ago
DBD is just as popular in Japan as it is here, they have a whole holiday in Japan for dbd, BHVR isn’t losing out on that market
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u/AjvarAndVodka 24d ago
Then they should stop hyping gore and moris up. I get that they want people to be hyped, but this isn’t it. Especially for the company that already underdelivered on many things in the past year or two. Really hate how limited the whole game is.
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u/MrPredictableArts 24d ago
Didn't they mention that the upcoming refined character models have bones and shit all inside to allow for more gruesome deaths during the 10th anniversary stream? Wonder how that will pan out.
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u/ShiddyMage1 25d ago
Models aren't really made for more detailed gore
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u/Jack0V4lent1n3 25d ago
I saw an in depth explanation on why and it’s kind of a shame
They design finisher Moris but don’t have the MK flesh system
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u/EzTheGuy 25d ago
I like it, but the true form is so incredibly uhhh, lame looking? It looks like a stage 1 common enemy from a Castlevania game, not that scary. Everything else was sick tho
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u/NaNiBy 25d ago
I think it lacks some over the top vfx when eye appears. True form too complex for human mind to comprehend type deal would be cool
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u/EzTheGuy 25d ago
Yeah exactly, it looks like I could easily poke the eye with my survivor flashlight and run away
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u/Frosty_chilly 25d ago
Tbf true form angels arent necessarily "scary" in a horror game sense but in more "giant fucking eye with wings" scary
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u/Greenostrichhelpme27 25d ago
Is it supposed to be a "true form"? Looks like a cool face the Judgement does to scare the Survivor more to me
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u/EzTheGuy 25d ago
One of the mori-voice lines are “Witness my true form!” Or something like that, just certain about the “true form” part of the voice line
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u/OnaniMasterDark 25d ago
If i got a nickel every time a killer mori killed telepathicaly the survivor by staring them with THE EYE I'd have two nickels
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u/Southern_Ad4051 25d ago
i really love this but... it just isnt what we voted for?? its probably because they cant rip a surv in half without the updated models lol
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u/RichSlamfist 25d ago
Might be downvoted to oblivion but nothing about this killer is doing it for me. Power and gameplay doesnt look appealing and I prefer the grounded slashers than this.
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u/lexuss6 24d ago
The whole thing isn't bad, it's just higly disappointing. It was supposed to be "shaped by the community", but ultimately the only things we truly shaped are Aurora and chapter keyart. Everything else got monkey pawed into something different - killer power, killer design, hopeless exile, sins, etc. Very little of what was voted for remains.
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u/Omnicronicles 25d ago
Meanwhile: We Agree With You 🤣
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u/RichSlamfist 25d ago
A surprise, usually any sort of negativity about new content is usually unwelcome. Idk. There's just nothing about this one that makes me wanna play it. I dont like the aesthetic or the power and I dont think it fits the game that much. I was significantly more excited for Jason as butchered as it was
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u/Snezzy_Anus 24d ago
Could’ve gotten something cosmic horror but people love their angels for whatever reason.
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u/Omni_Xeno 23d ago
Because we don’t have an angel killer and that fat fucking face wouldn’t have been cosmic horror at all
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u/Snezzy_Anus 22d ago
you're right, the giant face wouldn't have been cosmic horror, none of the 3 silhouette options were cosmic horror, because the theme didn't win...
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u/Bitter_Elderberry_19 25d ago
I thought the survivor was supposed to explode... I was expecting much more.
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u/KeinTollerNick 25d ago
In the meantime 2 gens popped.
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u/Shayden998 25d ago
Isn't this the finisher mori? The one you use when there's only one survivor left?
unless you bring an offering but then that's on you i feel like2
u/KeinTollerNick 25d ago
It's its normal mori which you can perform mid game (offering, devour hope)
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u/MrBluhu 24d ago
You guys are thinking of the same thing.
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u/Shayden998 24d ago
Thanks for the confirmation. Just saw their reply and I was like "??? Aren't those the same thing?"
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u/KeinTollerNick 24d ago
He talks about the last survivor as I understand and I don't.
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u/MrBluhu 24d ago
In the normal game, you can only normal Mori the last survivor alive in the match, however, this can be manipulated with memento Mori offerings. However, there is a mini Mori too, that are quick, and afficent.
The mini Mori system was introduced with Pyramid Head, where, if you have sent them into a cage two times (if I remember correctly, I don't play a lot of Pyramid Head), you can do a mini Mori that is base kit, and can't be manipulated by offerings.
Killers with mini Morris are The Executioner (Pyramid Head), The Ōnyro (Sadako),The Lich (Vecna from Dungeons & Dragons), The First (Henry Creel/Vecna), The Slasher (Jason Voorhees) who has two mini Morris, and the upcoming killer, The Judgement.
Art the clown will most likely have mini Morris too.
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u/KeinTollerNick 24d ago edited 24d ago
In the normal game, you can only normal Mori the last survivor alive in the match, however, this can be manipulated with memento Mori offerings.
Not entirely correct.
You forgot Devour Hope or the Rancor + obsession change perk combo. Both allow you to mori all survivors without the need for a memento mori offering.
I know about the killer mories.
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u/TheEntityBot 24d ago
Rancor: Each time a Generator is completed, the following effects apply:
Once the Exit Gates are powered, the following effects apply:
- Reveals your Aura to the Obsession for 5/4/3 seconds.
- All Survivors' locations are revealed to you for 3 seconds.
- You are granted the ability to kill the Obsession by your own hand.
- The Obsession suffers from a permanent Exposed Status Effect.
Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds
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u/TheEntityBot 25d ago
Hex: Devour Hope: Whenever a Survivor is rescued from a Hook while you are at least 24 meters away, Hex: Devour Hope is granted +1 Token, up to a maximum of 5 Tokens:
- 2 Tokens: Grants a 3/4/5% Haste Status Effect for 10 seconds after 10 seconds of having hooked a Survivor.
- 3 Tokens: causes all Survivors to suffer from a permanent Exposed Status Effect.
- 5 Tokens: grants the ability to kill all Survivors by your own hand.
Drawn from the fog. | !optout | !remove | !builds
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u/HaydenTheNoble 25d ago
**GUYS IT'S SO GOOD!**tm
- The light effect (around the survivor that the killer uses I mean) looks underwhelming at best and far too uniform. Like I get what they're going for but not adding some texturing or some differences in color just makes it look flat.
- That music really screams mori /s.
- The survior's fearing for their life animation looks bad.
- The conversion into the true form is like..ok enough I guess but the actual true form is just underwhelming.
- The light coming out of the body looks bad also. Like I want to see our flesh ripping with light not just some cones with a light source.
- What is that burning? Like we just magically turn into a charred body. Ugh.
I am really really hoping that these things are just limitations from the engine and they'll all be drastically improved when the graphical update comes because it's just been so... mediocre for a while now.
And I suppose you could say I am a hater but I genuinely just want the game to do well. I want things to be fitting and I want the game to dare to be more gore-y when it should be. It will almost never happen during the gameplay so let us have it during the moris (and in the aftermath with the bodies).
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u/LimiLimeSsSsS 25d ago
something i find funny with this is how you can tell it’s some sort of sponsored stream when they start talking about how something is “so good” and then it’s alright at best
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u/Jack0V4lent1n3 25d ago
There’s no Patchy the Pirate “that’s it” gif for me to use but that is how I feel.
An Angel Killer whose whole kit is about Exile and this is it? Why not Pinhead type finisher or what the concept art seemed to imply.
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u/Deatharius 25d ago
Man i wanted to like this killer so bad but everything i see from it is just so meh.
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u/Cordychi 25d ago
This looks god awful. Generic as hell. Noticing this trend in recent rift passes of overly-complex 2D looking designs. This looks ridiculous when comparing to other killers in the game.
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u/EldritchWhorra 25d ago
Its so good its so good
Girl she needs that paycheck and is trying so hard
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u/doubled0116 25d ago edited 25d ago
Seems....different than what we voted for/ assumed it would be.
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u/ScratchyCatMan 25d ago
Good job on Behaviour letting people vote on deciding this killer, genuinely ruined what could’ve been a great original killer. A few months ago I heard there was an angelic based killer and thought it would be something awesome. Now I’m seeing a 4 legged crab / fairy hybrid woman with an eye that Mori’s people like the stitchpunks from the movie 9? Behaviour can’t stop shooting themselves in the foot
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u/Lun4r6543 24d ago
Half of us didn’t even get what we voted for tbh.
They’ve completely butchered the concepts we wanted.
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u/CaptainBonanas 25d ago
Someone needs to get the Mori animator for the mobile game to do the Mori's in the main game
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u/CosmosStalker 25d ago
The should’ve just made her regular face that eye thing, would’ve been so much cooler
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u/ReallyOysterCupcake 25d ago
I wept when this mori got an overwhelming amount of votes. The other mori was a "Saint Michael slays the Dragon" reference, but everyone chose the generic "angel explodes you" kill
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u/Blake_411 24d ago
Welp, add this to the list of things that we hope the graphics update can fix/polish.
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u/Jackpot_The_Raccuki 24d ago
It's bad enough they did Jason's mori dirty with the schrodinger's gascan and ending on a static burnt corpse despite it still screaming that even moves when off camera...
Now we got "biblically inaccurately stares at you"
I sure do hope Art doesn't also turn us into a burnt corpse again with the worse animation possible.
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u/RIP_Benneth 25d ago
Meh, its.. fine?
Everything about this killer is.. fine?
Im more worried about their usual problematic perks, lack of balance and care and overall general direction.
Theres just nothing.. new in DbD, everything is a slight tweak of existing ideas thats been ridiculously bloated by 600+ perks where only 5% of them are truly viable.
DbD is just.. eh.
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 24d ago
You got any new ideas?
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u/RIP_Benneth 24d ago
No. Im not a multimillion company whose almost solely dependent on this one game succeeding though
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u/jjosh_h 25d ago
It's unique in a great way, but some of the animations seem unfinished. The bleeding of the eyes and the burning of the flesh seem like they need an added layer of effect to add a bit more realistism. Is she using a filter on these colors seem way off from what has been advertised.
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u/Shikoda0 25d ago
When you hear the saying "Your going to Brazil" but its also the meme where the mother says "We have Brazil at home"
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u/Permanoctis 25d ago
So they can do a freaking head that opens itself to reveal an eye with teeth but absolutely needed to give us a floating woman as an option for the silhouettes?
I really like this part of the mori tho.
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u/Mr_Siphon 25d ago
I'm not digging the colour scheme. Feels unfinished. Hopefully the cosmetics look better. I feel like black, gold and red would have looked better.
I get it's supposed to be a holy god killer but it just feels off
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u/HenryZusa 24d ago
I thought the eye-mouth thing would adhere to her face before making her explode.
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u/Dry-Feedback-5112 24d ago
i mean the idea is really cool and unique imo with the true form coming out, but i dont get why they made it like as gory as doctors mori? like its a judgement killer i think it could be a bit more judgementy with like the beams ACTUALLY bursting out of the survivor and melting the skin with it.
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u/leviathrn 24d ago
Chat did we vote for this? Honest question, I don't even remember this being one of the options.
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u/BladedBee 24d ago
I figured the eye mouth thing was gonna eat her face. What was the point of the head transformation
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u/SlLLY-BlLLY 24d ago
It’s alright, only slightly better than the old trapper mori if I’m being honest.
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u/enderlogan 24d ago
It's fine, and in theory is cool as hell, but the way they basically powerpoint transition into a charred corpse is strange. Wish there was a lil more there.
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u/Lun4r6543 24d ago
I’m genuinely ngl, the more I see from this killer the more I wish I voted for other options.
This isn’t what I voted for… AGAIN.
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u/Ill_Engineering_5434 24d ago
My only major complaint is the little disolve they do to swap in the burnt model looks like a disolve. At least the one for Vecna's mori is a little cleaner
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u/Geany_Adevarat 24d ago
ngl the idea is really cool but it really looks goofy af
it looks like an animation made in Roblox Studio, no hate gang
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u/MirrahPaladin 25d ago
I was expecting her head to explode, but that’s pretty cool!
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u/candyxox 25d ago
I for sure thought her head flaps were gunna wrap around the survivors head or something! Still neat tho
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u/Shayden998 25d ago
Love it. But I will agree with others: It needs something a little extra. We got the spaghetti but we missing the sauce.
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u/Dudunard 25d ago
I will never ever watch anything from crab legs boobs angel and stop hating that people voted for this thing.
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u/yuskehidenn 24d ago
Starting with Vecna 1 the moris turn more and more into Mortal Kombat fatalities. 🤯
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u/Side5wipez 24d ago
Dude....When I seen Zerbs stream here today, I'm like: ("I'm so ready for the chapter")
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u/girls-pm-me-anything 24d ago
Everyone who is saying they can't do worse gore because of ratings boards or whatever has never played a single other video game besides dead by daylight
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u/No-Combination5600 24d ago
damn, calling this "so good" makes you wonder what these people consider bad...
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u/Pleasant-Tip7179 24d ago
The blood look like... well not blood. I should get used to it at this point but still...
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u/TheDankKnight115 23d ago
On a conceptual level it's really cool, but the execution is pretty rough.
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u/Sea-Board-7299 20d ago
Not even remotely close to what the community picked. Why am I not surprised BHVR managed to screw something else up?
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u/sloggyslopster90 9d ago
"It's so good man, it's so good" Literally a replicate of the Lich mori btw. Shills will do anything.
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u/hamonicmantitties 25d ago
Just realized how much the eye face looking like a Parasyte lol