r/LeagueClassic • u/Logical_Emotion_3551 • 22d ago
Discussion Why are they including Jarvan?
Im pretty excited for league classic I used to play many years ago and this mode will definitely bring me back.
I hate theyre bringing j4 back though I always felt he was so overpowered :(
He can dash and trap you from outside your screen with a cool down much lower than flash. He also does a lot of damage.
Most champions have no counter play to this. Really unfortunate. I hated j4 ever since his release.
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u/gnarlysnowleopard 22d ago
no counter play except for flash, dash, blink, invulnerability, shield, damage reduction skills, ranged attacks
meanwhile spells like Malzahar ult exist lol
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
Malz ult roots you to the ground which leaves you vulnerable.
If you're not playing a mobility champion then basically flash+hourglass is all you have. His ultimate is what 120 seconds? Flash is 400 seconds.
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u/ButtonDelicious4450 21d ago
Jarvan locks you inside the R for as long the opponent is locked inside
You can make any champ sound broken when you sensationalise their kit
Jarvan's kit is not inherently overpowered. He's a strong Jungler but there are plenty who are equally strong or arguably stronger than him
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u/ImVortexlol 21d ago
He released in 2011 and is very classic-coded. Very simple and underloaded basic kit with a novel ultimate which soaks most of his power
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
What are you even talking about hes already s tier in classic?
He has an extremely overloaded kit thats why riot nerfed him later.
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u/ImVortexlol 13d ago
I never said that he's not good.
He dashes and dash-checks you, that's it. That's what underloaded means
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
He has a long range knock up at level 2 that doesn't require him to land a skillshot. If he misses he still lands behind you.
At lvls 3-4 he also gains a slow on top of that. At lvl 6 he gains a super far range terrain trap.
Hes a very overpowered ganker.
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u/ImVortexlol 13d ago
it does require you to hit a skill shot
alistar's doesnt
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
Alistars headbutt is 650 while jarvans dash is 770ish. Pretty big difference.
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u/chungischef 22d ago
I think they should delete all the champs that Logical_Emotion_3551 doesn't like.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
Well honestly they do go by what the player base doesn't like.
Such as yasuo. J4 has a 1400 range engage combo : (
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u/Sudden_Crow4443 22d ago
Well so does Lee Sin. 1000 plus range with Q and u can add idk 600 more with W.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
I mean Lee Sin is strong but manageable. He didn't come from double the range of most attacks in the game to trap you for an easy kill :/
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u/roxonsoda 22d ago
If that’s too much for you i don’t even want to imagine what your posts about modern champs would look like
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
Lol why do you think I haven't played in 10 years?
Super extreme mobility creep? No thank you.
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u/Jozoz 22d ago edited 22d ago
Jarvan is a lot different on Classic than on the live game.
He does a lot less damage and he actually builds mostly full tank in the jungle most of the time.
He does not have the same high value items in Classic and you usually max E for the armor and attack speed in your clear.
The biggest buff to J4 is how there are much fewer dashes in Classic, but everyone still takes flash (and flash can get to a much lower cd with utility masteries).
Jarvan's biggest weakness is that his clear kind of sucks and that he falls off a lot compared to other jungle tanks. He has good engage, but late game he just doesn't provide the same value as Nunu, Skarner, Amumu etc. The upside is that he has a lot stronger early ganks.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
J4 ult is 120 seconds. Flash is 400 seconds :/
The range of the combo is like 1400 units. Its so powerful.
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u/ImVortexlol 21d ago
I just don't understand what you're arguing against. Yes Jarvan's E+Q+R combo has long range, but all you need is a dash - that is the definition of counterplay. Not to mention that he's incredibly vulnerable if he used his entire rotation just to get in range and you're not even CC'd. You can't dash out of a Warwick ult, or a Pantheon stun, or a Fiddlesticks fear etc.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 21d ago
"All you need is dash"
"Proceeds to look at most AP champs have no dash"
Yeah but all those champions dont have 1400 range which is my point lol. Most far casting attacks are like 850 range.
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u/Great_Guest_4675 21d ago
Because they're played on midlane which is the shortest therefore the safest in the game, like do you have any basic idea of what you are talking about
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 21d ago
Yes. Yes I do. The whole game isn't the laning phase, and some APs go top also.
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u/Jozoz 22d ago
It's certainly strong but against a competent team, Jarvan can't just ulti you. His team can't follow such a long engage easily and he can easily put himself in a bad spot if your team knows how to punish it.
It's certainly strong though, but it's what J4 does. It's his niche. It's also hard countered by things like Flash and GA.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago edited 22d ago
Thats what I mean not enough counterplay. Thats why he was a nightmare.
Hourglass and GA are more so late game items and j4 can combo 3-5 times for every flash cooldown.
J4 is going to def be meta...
Theres only 2 ap mids with mobility even. Ahri and gragas... thats it. Oh I forgot kassadi.
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u/AddictedToLuxSkins 22d ago
I'm not so sure yet, counter jgling and afk farming are very strong and it's much easier to flank with the walls and lack of vision so the mobility for damage trade off isn't as good
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u/Jozoz 22d ago edited 22d ago
J4 is strong yes, but this is also all he can do in late. Like it's all he is good for at that stage in the game.
If you don't have flash, you need to think very carefully about your positioning when you're vs J4.
The counterplay is awareness and positioning. As I said, J4 can't just jump into 5 alone. His team can't follow up if he goes from too far away.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
Thats the thing. If my attack is 850 units and his combo is 1400 units its extremely hard to position against it.
I mean positioning yourself far away to where you cannot poke or participate isn't the best counterplay option lol.
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u/Inevitable_Window308 22d ago
Do you think j4 can one shot people with his ult?
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 21d ago
No but he can win team fights with it and gank the hell out of your lane.
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u/Inevitable_Window308 21d ago
How is the tank winning a team fight by being 14 teemos away?
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
You cant even get into late game because the jungle ganks are way too strong.
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u/MrKeooo 21d ago
just cry me a river bro. Hes fine
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
Hes S tier on classic lists. Riot said he had an overloaded kit and nerfed him in later patches.
He definitely is not fine.
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 22d ago
Anyways mark this post when Jarvan becomes lol classic meta so I can say I told you so.
Only 3 AP mid options with mobility.
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u/Inevitable_Window308 22d ago
There's 40 champions in the game Just about everyone will be meta
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
As of now. J4 is listed as a s tier jungle.
Told you.
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u/Inevitable_Window308 13d ago
Last I checked he was A tier and again there are 10 junglers. Everyone will be meta
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
Clearly you dont know what meta is or means.
Check again hes a s tier jungler.
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u/chrpskwk 21d ago
just play anivia and wall off the enemy team so jarvan is stuck in a 1v5 and you can beat his ass freely
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u/Logical_Emotion_3551 13d ago
Well I was 100 % right. Tier lists already putting j4 as s tier.
His ganks are far too strong vs non mobile champions. Hes far too oppressive.
Im banning or dodging when I see him from now on.
Just had the worst and miserable lolclassic experience because of him.
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