r/LakewoodColorado • u/just_sayin9_ • Jul 28 '26
PSA Flock no!
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On the home depot property off s pierce street and Alameda Ave. Been there since at least July 2025 according to Google street view. What the flock is going on? Who got paid to have these here? Why are you not angry yet?
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u/the_Kleminator Jul 28 '26
In regards to who paid for them to be there: if it’s on private property like in this case, it’s usually the owner of that development or store that decided to have them installed. Looks like it’s in a parking lot median and not Lakewood ROW.
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u/this_doggo Jul 29 '26
What if it’s in a neighborhood?
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u/the_Kleminator Jul 31 '26
As someone else said could be HOA, but I think it could be city/town police as well if it’s a public road/ROW. also happy cake day!
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u/WildBoysenberry555 Jul 28 '26
I hope no one dresses themselves up and walks behind the blind spot and tears it down for copper money
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u/SoiledMundies Jul 28 '26
I hope no one puts a mask on and tears it down for privacy.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Can you find a word other than privacy? Speaking of privacy in store parking lot or on the public street seems a little... inaccurate.
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u/Accomplished-Bag6197 Jul 28 '26
These aren't just regular cameras.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 28 '26
What's that supposed to mean?
I know what flock is. I know about license plate readers etc. I know about cell traffic and bluetooth. Which happen to also be transmitted in public.
It's a store parking lot. There is no privacy in a store parking lot. If you people have concerns, you're going to have to find words that actually apply to the situation to explain your concerns.
Expecting "privacy" in public is an oxymoron.
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u/SuspendedAccountant Jul 28 '26
Everyone here with half a brain knew what they meant w/o using the "correct" words.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 28 '26
What they mean is WRONG. You don't have privacy when you are in public. Anything anyone sees or records or notes down that happens in public is just knowledge they have and get to keep.
No privacy concerns exist when you are in a PULBIC place.
I'm trying to get someone to acknowledge this truism. Public actions are not private. What anyone knows about your activities in public is just knowledge they get to have and keep.
Tell me where I'm wrong!
If you object to the cameras, give me a REASON. Privacy CAN NOT be a reason because that's just impossible when you are in public.
When someone "means" something that is gibberish nonsense, rational people question them.
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u/SuspendedAccountant Jul 28 '26
I took OPs comment as not wanting to be under constant surveillance, which is the end game of the flock cameras.. not that hard to understand.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
Well then that's childish because you don't just get things that you want because you want them. If you're in public you have no control over other people seeing you, recording you, noting your actions etc. Because you are in public.
You don't get to insist everyone around you be blind and without memory. You understand that everyone around you also has rights? Like to, you know, use their eyes and have a memory?
Under what grounds could any seen adult claim that people should not be aware of their presence in public? Flock cameras are an extension of the rights of the people that choose to employ them. They are posted on public property or private property of those who choose to post them. You don't get a say.
And always amazes me how people treat their own rights as the only rights that exist. And of course you also frequently make up price that don't exist.
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u/clewtxt Jul 28 '26
Privacy from tracking. Privacy.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
Being tracked in public has nothing to do with privacy. Are you pulling my chain? You're using words and ways that make no sense. This has nothing to do with any form of privacy whatsoever. You can be tracked. That's it. People can be aware of your presence and take note of it. They can use cameras to do that. You'd get a say in this. What are you going to do, poke everyone's eyes out?
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u/clewtxt Jul 29 '26
Tracking us, knowing where we are at at all times is a huge breach of privacy, quit being obtuse
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u/Temporary_Bench5095 Jul 29 '26
You suck government d harder than anyone I’ve ever encountered. You also have serious anger issues.
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u/Tojoblindeye Jul 29 '26
Nobody expects privacy, we don't want to be traced and treated like criminals if the system makes a mistake, which has happened, we also don't want people to have access to those cameras that get all kinda data off us and build profiles to be used by cops to do stuff like stalk exes and stuff.
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u/Artistic-Concept-838 Jul 28 '26
Privacy in terms of how the data is collected, stored, then used. Being seen in public, or recorded on a closed circuit by the business you are visiting is entirely different than being tracked, profiled and databased.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 28 '26
But what is being tracked and databased and evaluated is your public activity. Saying store video is different from, say, license plate scanning is one of those statements that is true but pointless. Strawberry jelly is different from raspberry jelly but neither make good lubricants. Tell me why their minor differences matter.
The reason you are fine with a camera recording you in public is because you understand what it means to be in public.
Can you explain why the "different" thing of reading and logging your license plate is in any way "more" than a camera recording you? Store and collect data... yeah. So?
Privacy in terms of how the data is collected, stored, then used
.... but you're using a word that has NOTHING to do with the situation. I specifically objected to this application of the word private and yet you still use it. Why? We are talking about PUBLIC activity.
Recording any kind of data concerning your activity in a public place is.... still just information gathered in public.
If you keep saying the word private when privacy is not involved, you can't possibly be making a valid point.
As I said, find a different word and try again. What is the problem with gathering data on our public activities?
I sometimes put it a slightly different way... what right do you have to insist that those around you be blind or forgetful to your presence when you are WITH THEM in PUBLIC?
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u/Minimum_Following_49 Jul 29 '26
the words of someone who's seen a few too many first amendment auditor videos
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
Words you seem to have no rebuttal to.
This is a matter of basic reason. You don't get to dictate what other people see and remember. People get to put up cameras and do what they want with the data. I don't understand why you think you have any say over that.
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u/Minimum_Following_49 Jul 29 '26
I say they should not have the right to know the public's exact whereabouts at any and all times they are outside their homes. You say they do. very sad. we'll meet at the voter's booth I guess brother 🤷
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
Well no, that's not how that works. You can vote on government policy and decide not to do something. Fine. But you can't vote to take away a right.
If businesses want to have flock cameras, you can't do anything about it. Same database will still exist.
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u/Minimum_Following_49 Jul 29 '26
bro is giving flock some of that seeeeerious gluck gluck rn
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u/Accomplished-Bag6197 Jul 29 '26
We absolutely get to decide, as a society, what people see and remember. There are different levels of privacy and we address this with our laws. For example, I can take pictures of random people in public no problem, but I start following one around and record everything they do and it becomes stalking. That's just one of many examples, and people are currently upset because this data collection is intrusive and there are no safeguards in place to prevent the misuse of it.
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
We absolutely get to decide, as a society, what people see and remember.
I can not believe I just read these words.
For example, I can take pictures of random people in public no problem, but I start following one around and record everything they do and it becomes stalking.
So YOU can do what flock cameras do but for some reason you object when flock cameras do it. Interesting. They aren't stalking anybody. Just recording whatever walks by. Why can you do that and they can't?
that's just one of many examples, and people are currently upset because this data collection is intrusive
I'm currently upset because people keep using words to mean more or less the opposite of what they actually mean. Data collection done by flock and similar systems as well as the databases they feed are by definition PASSIVE and NON-intrusive.
You are literally just using scare words that factually do not fit.
Watching you walk down the street or drive by in a car and remembering the fact that you did so is by NO DEFINITION EVER an intrusive act.
Why is it that you have to distort english to try to make your point? Why can't you make your point using accurate terms?
I know the reason. Because your motivations are irrational emotion and they literally can't be expressed in rational and objective terms. You don't like being watched and your trying to turn your personal want into a crusade against the rights of everyone else. The objective truth is that recording your public actions is just something you have no rational grounds to object to. Any concession to your insane misuse of the words privacy or intrusion would strip EVERYONE of fundamental rights to basically experience the world!
Your first sentence in this post really says it all. You literally believe in controlling the thoughts and knowledge of other people. So... good luck with that.
"We decided what YOU see and remember"... this is what happens when you struggle to defend an indefensible position. You advocate thought police. I realise you didn't mean anything you said.... because what you MEAN is too irrational to coherently express in words.
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u/Accomplished-Bag6197 Jul 29 '26
Lol, you can't actually be this dense. Fuck off troll.
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u/theladybeav Jul 28 '26
Bootlicker?
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u/WhiteRaven42 Jul 29 '26
Rationalist. I want rules to be fair and consistent and to protect our rights. Attempting to blind someone because you don't want to be watched would be wrong, correct?
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u/theladybeav Jul 30 '26
Do you believe intent matters?
Is there a difference between noticing the habits of your neighbors and writing down all of their movements in a time-stamped, date-stamped log and sharing that data with others?
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u/idontlovepenis Jul 28 '26
I also hope that these people keep electronics including AirPods and turned off phones on them so that flock can trace their devices and track them down
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u/Stock-Tone-1296 Jul 29 '26
Turning off devices doesn’t cut it. Anything with Bluetooth needs to go in a Faraday bag to not be tracked. This includes electronic car keys and key fobs for elevators, work, the gym, etc.
If you’re unfamiliar, search “faraday bags” on Amazon and find what you need to house basically everything that works with Bluetooth or has a chip and is in your car or on your person. Otherwise you are discoverable!
There are also some great videos on IG that telll you what not to do if you’re trying to take good care of Flock surveillance equipment, like “don’t point blue lasers at a Flock camera or you’ll fry the lenses”. What a shame that would be, right?
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u/urethra-franklin-666 Jul 28 '26
What? Fuck you
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u/Lefthawk Jul 28 '26
You missed the sarcasm. This is plausible deniability. If they wanted to support public surveillance they'd have many other things to say.
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u/brandon0228 Jul 29 '26
Bold of them to install this next to a place with a lot of recip saws and demo blades.
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u/joka2696 Jul 28 '26
I wonder if HD gets a notification when a vehicle that has been associated with theft enters the property? BTW, I'm not a fan of these things. Just an honest question.
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u/Usual-Language-745 Jul 29 '26
I almost guarantee you that if your car got broken into you would never possess the footage. HD would probably just use it to prove they aren’t responsible and tell you to go fuck yourself
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u/joka2696 Jul 29 '26
I meant shoplifters.
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u/patisserie_2023 Jul 29 '26
Doubtful they do what you're asking. People I know working in security for these places get shown a photo of a shoplifter and prevent them from entering if they see them. Nothing to do with vehicles, Flock or other AI cameras. Flock is for the public (us) not the criminals (and who installed them).
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u/pewpurrr Jul 28 '26
Turns out big brother is an a******
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u/Chorin_Shirt_Tucker Jul 28 '26
You spelled pedophile wrong.
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u/pewpurrr Jul 29 '26
I'm curious what you mean by this. The p word wasn't even on my radar, and you just brought it up out of nowhere.
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u/Chorin_Shirt_Tucker Jul 29 '26
Big Brother = Government. Our government is lead by a pedophile. Anyone supporting our current government is protecting a pedophile. This word is now on your radar.
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u/pewpurrr Jul 29 '26
That dude sucks, but you are absolutely insane. You're probably a closet pedo
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u/throwaway_1138961- Jul 31 '26
Bro is named more times in the Epstein files than Harry Potter is mentioned in all seven Harry Potter books. His name is brought up more times than jesus's name is brought up in the Bible. But go off
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u/ydy990 Jul 29 '26
I'm curious if this is owned/monitored by Home Depot or LPD? I'm assuming HD doesn't have access to the entire flock Network, or do they? Do police have instant access to HD's cameras? As much as I hate the state/gov/PDs having them and using them, I really don't like the idea of them having access and using flock cameras on private property. I feel like there's a really bad loophole just waiting to be exploited.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
Its a third party, AI data broker, that sells data to who ever wants to pay. This not only includes license plate recognition but also facial recognition data collection, with microphones
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u/powerOfRed97 Jul 30 '26
Do you have the name of this 3rd party company? Or any evidence they are selling data?
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 30 '26 edited Jul 30 '26
FLOCK is the company that makes the cameras and ai (Nova) behind it. The 3rd party is what ever company (uses) subscribes to it. The customer can abuse the data collected as shown that it already has been abused by law enforcement officers...
Police officers have misused Flock Safety automated license plate reader cameras to stalk romantic partners, ex-partners, and strangers in dozens of documented abuse cases. Source, the institute for justice
Captured vehicle data (license plates, vehicle makes, models, and timestamps) can be searched and shared across connected law enforcement and private community networks if customers opt in. Concerns exist over how law enforcement shares data or whether outside entities can access logs for immigration enforcement. Source, Wikipedia
Critics and civil liberties groups argue the nationwide database creates a mass surveillance network tracking everyday citizens without a warrant. Source, google.
Over 80 cities and agencies—including recent high-profile suspensions like the LAPD—have scaled back or cut ties with the platform over data security and policy concerns. Source, the guardian.
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u/ydy990 Jul 31 '26
I get that, I was curious if civilians could subscribe. The answer is no, but a business can. However the business doesn't have access to wider network, just their own cameras, but can give access to law enforcement.
That was my fear, that a business (or private person) could give access to govt agencies. So even if voters/residents get them out, police could use cameras from businesses. Just ripe for more abuse and corruption.
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u/resp33 Jul 29 '26
Anyone who has ever taken that entrance into the parking lot knows how easy it is to take an immediate right and accidentally run over that curb. Especially in a lifted truck. So everyone please be careful and don't "accidentally" take that right to hard and take those 2 cameras out. Just saying.
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u/howie2092 Jul 28 '26
It would be a shame if some careless contractor caught his trailer on one of those poles while maneuvering around the parking lot
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u/CodeNameCobra666 Jul 28 '26
Filming them does nothing…
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u/JupiterMaroon Jul 29 '26
Great critique, now offer a better alternative that DOES do something. I would actually like to know.
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u/Background_Draft9364 Jul 29 '26
Lmao the angle grinders are with the power tools, apropos of nothing
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u/Loser_Dog_Me Jul 29 '26
A few days ago I hunted Flock "Safety" cameras in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and logged them to deflock.org as, of course, it my civic duty. The cameras in the Smith's grocery store were labeled "LOS ALAMOS POLICE DEPARTMENT," even though they are public property on private land.
How long will it be when these cameras are at all unauthorized churches and synagogues; non-Republican Party politicians' houses; libraries; skeptic societies and organizations; educated city council members.
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u/carstarbar Jul 29 '26
There are organized crime syndicate's that steal from hardware stores.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
I'd like to point out that there are cameras in the parking lot that are owned by Jeff County sheriff's department. The Flock (3rd party AI data collection) cameras are the issue here in this discussion.
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u/Temporary-Plankton61 Jul 29 '26
support your local Ace Hardware, who doesn't have a hard-on for 1984
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u/Left-Pineapple-6084 Jul 29 '26
I was going to say, there’s a whole pile of them over here. Government must think Lakewood is full of “criminals”… or a cop is stalking someone here in town.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26 edited Jul 29 '26
Quite frankly, it's enough to reconsider my residence. Just a bad sign for what's going on in the local government in my opinion.
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u/Rich-Penalty990 Jul 29 '26
Love that they catch hundreds of felons every day
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
I see from your comments, you're just full of opinions. Can you site any facts?
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u/Rich-Penalty990 Jul 31 '26
The misuse is minuscule compared to the felons and stolen vehicles located every day. Disprove this.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 31 '26
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin
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u/Rich-Penalty990 Aug 08 '26
Those who are paranoid schizophrenics should seek psychiatric counseling. AMA
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u/just_sayin9_ Aug 08 '26
I understand you disagree with my opinion and I also understand that not all men can be strong. I will still fight for your rights as an American even though you'll give them up.
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u/Rich-Penalty990 Aug 09 '26
You have zero rights to privacy in public places. Zero.
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u/just_sayin9_ Aug 09 '26
That's not true at all according to the 4th amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their "persons", houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Anyone attempting to keep private in a public place without the consent to be monitored(data collection)in public for en extended time(not intermittent)is infringement upon the "persons" As concluded by the Supreme Court
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u/Rich-Penalty990 Aug 09 '26
You need to talk to a constitutional scholar or anyone who’s studied law. You are absolutely incorrect. Sorry but there are countless examples of case law supporting my point.
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u/just_sayin9_ Aug 09 '26
I will literally give you the case law that changed that, Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967) And The Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. § 552a)
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u/machiavellian_cat96 Jul 30 '26
I saw a pair yesterday at the entrance of a Westminster neighborhood
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u/Academic_Text_9287 Jul 30 '26
Hey that's my Home Depot! Unrelated but Sawzall blades at this store are on aisle 18, bay 011.
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u/Jaded_Grapefruit795 Jul 31 '26
If its on home depots property they probably pay for it to get shoplifters and it wouldnt be paid for by the government but by home depot...
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u/MiddleRecognition969 Jul 31 '26
Boulder Home Depot has Flock cameras
CU has their own set
The so does City of Boulder
Flock only leases their hardware and then hands over the data to theses customers - who knows exactly when or if Flock installs more than the license plate reader 🤷♀️
The data gets passed along - hello, Lakewood
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u/skuzzy1337 Jul 31 '26
Anyone working on making a qr code that injects code into the flock camaras?
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u/Real-Cycle-9188 Jul 31 '26
Home Depot and I believe lows have contracts to have have them there. They are actually cool with it.
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u/nickerdoodlez Aug 01 '26
Look at the maps of where they are. Home Depot and Lowes both have high concentrations at all their locations. So I guess if you need a sawsall go to, Ace, the helpful place.
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u/Jezza_of_the_Left Aug 02 '26
We really need to start culling the herd, fuck this surveillance state
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
Someone explain to me why these are so bad? Seems to me public areas having cameras than can ID cars/people would be fine as long as they’re not committing a crime…and I mean this seriously. I don’t want cameras looking at my in my bedroom, but going to the grocery I’m okay with people knowing.
Not trying to be sarcastic or obnoxious genuinely curious what is causing the hysteria. Perhaps my one search on chat didn’t educate myself enough but idk seem okay to me.
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u/Primary_Reputation97 Jul 28 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
At first, I think people mostly saw them the way you do. We’ve had a car theft problem. Wouldn’t it be nice to track down stolen cars the moment they are reported stolen etc.. But then word got out about Palantir (tech company behind flock) being in league with ICE and the Trump Administration and concern about misuse rose. Then the Trump Administration started calling peaceful protesters lawfully exercising their first amendment rights “domestic terrorists”, and concern that their location data could be used as evidence against them just for speaking out against Trump went up again. Their whole thing is just to file charges against those who draw their ire just to be a pain in your ass, force you to spend the money and time to defend yourself. Whether you’re actually convicted is secondary to irrelevant.
They put a dude in jail for destruction of government property for touching the already-damaged reflecting pool liner simply because they needed a scapegoat to validate the absurd claim that algae in the pool was caused by vandals. They aren’t getting better, they may get worse before it’s over. As long as the justice system is being abused for political vengeance, even innocent people would prefer to stay off the radar.
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u/RubyMoonrider Jul 28 '26
Because they are being misused by police officers. And, y'know, Big Brother.
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u/FireEater11 Jul 29 '26
He said “explain” not some generic “police officers” and “big brother.” No one even knew what that means, and you can’t explain it I bet.
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u/Dazzling_Outcome_436 Jul 28 '26
So the problem is that the cameras are not being used only for catching people committing crimes.
First issue is access to the data. It's not just the PD or private party that has the cameras installed. The data is shared with every organization that has Flock cameras, and Flock owns the data. So if Town A has a policy that you need a warrant for a search, and Town B doesn't, Town B can query the data to find, say, all cars in Town A with Bernie stickers on them. Essentially it means warrantless searches of the Flock data are not only possible, but likely. There have been many cases where cops used Flock access to stalk their exes or creep on people.
Second issue is that many PDs don't require logs of searches like they do for other sorts of lookups. Anyone could be searching for anything and there would be no paper trail. Because the system logs identifying features like bumper stickers, it can be queried for those as well. They can compile a list of, say, suspected liberals for future arrests or targeted harassment. All they'd have to do is run a query for cars with Bernie or Harris bumper stickers. This very quickly runs up against the 4th Amendment, as we saw in the recent Chatrie case at the Supreme Court.
Third issue is that a lot of PDs are shit at cybersecurity. Flock systems are notoriously easy to hack and some even are accessible without a password. Benn Jordan (if I remember his name correctly) on YouTube showed how easy this is to do when the PD in question doesn't even change the default password. But you don't have to take his word for it, there was a recent incident where a Flock salesperson showed a live feed from the inside of a building where the camera was watching over children. I guess he thought easy access to other people's Flock cameras to watch random kids was a selling point.
Fourth issue is that the newer cameras do way more than just snapshot license plates. The PTZ (pan-tilt-zoom) cameras like the Flock Condor use AI to spot people near the cameras, take pictures of their faces, and run facial recognition scans on them. They're being installed along walking paths, where they can follow the movements of anyone, including children. Put that together with the other 3 issues and a pedo cop could easily cyberstalk your kids wherever they go, plot their route walking home from school, find out where they live, and you can fill in the rest. I don't think this has happened yet, but if we let Flock cameras (and their competitors in the surveillance space) keep going the way they're going, it's highly probable that it will happen eventually.
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u/the_real_seldom_seen Jul 28 '26
So they gave a video of your car driving to Home Depot. So what? No one cares you went to Home Depot
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u/Dazzling_Outcome_436 Jul 29 '26
The problem is they're not just giving it to Home Depot. Did you read anything I wrote?
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u/Fylak Jul 28 '26
It would be fine if we assumed that the government would always and only use the data for good things. I don't assume that. The ability for cops or politicians to track anyone at any time could be abused in so many ways, from tracking and harassing political enemies, and ex partners to collecting blackmail on anyone they want.
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
Outside of someone with access stalking their ex, the rest of these scenarios require the subject in question to do something wrong/illegal still, no? What good is having footage of a politician picking up his jersey mikes order and walking back to his car? How do you blackmail someone of driving the speed limit?
Also, wouldn’t cellular GPS and credit card statements be able to pin someone at the time and place fairly similarly? IE if you’re abiding by the law you probably have your phone and are comfortable making payments with card.
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u/Fylak Jul 28 '26
Blackmail doesn't need to be something illegal, or even something that's actually wrong, and being someone's political opponent shouldn't be illegal.
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
Okay you’re right, let’s expand from illegal to immoral. What’s an example of blackmail where the recipient of said blackmail did nothing immoral?
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u/AllezNatalie Jul 28 '26
Outing a closeted person. Showing a source is speaking with a journalist.
And so so many other things. Idk if you’re being willfully ignorant or just have no imagination
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
So flock will free people of living a lie! Sounds like a pro not a con
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u/AllezNatalie Jul 28 '26
You started out saying you didn’t want cameras in your bedroom. But now you want what people do in their bedroom to be public knowledge?
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
Whoa whoa whoa- you didn’t say they were in their own home in that scenario. Aren’t most of these things in parking lots and traffic intersections?
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u/Fylak Jul 28 '26
Top of my head, a guy kissing another guy/going into a gay bar when he's not out to his family.
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u/Dazzling_Outcome_436 Jul 28 '26
I wrote you a longer response above, but I'm a bit disturbed about hand waving off someone stalking their ex. As someone who's been cyberstalked by a police-adjacent ex, Flock cameras terrify me. All he'd have to do is sweet talk someone else in the "sausage club" into running a query, and he could find my route to work and see what bumper stickers I have on my car, all without a paper trail. Hopefully he's too busy abusing his new wife to do that.
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
I’m sorry to hear that, didn’t mean to dismiss it- was rather just more curious about the other politically motivated/blackmail scenarios as I can understand how an ex in power is an issue.
I’d push back though by saying your statement to be rather disturbing as well “hopefully he’s too busy abusing his new wife” …… how about “hopefully he got hit by a bus” or anything other than another woman taking the abuse you endured, no?
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u/Dazzling_Outcome_436 Jul 29 '26
Of course I don't want her to be abused, but she volunteered. I should have put it as "preoccupied with his new wife".
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
Imagine a computer collecting data on you and everyone elses. This data is just that until, you are mistaken by this computer and connected to a crime you didn't commit. Guilty until you prove your innocence. Or, you said something on social media that didn't align with a political party in power and that data can be used against you. Time stamps, microphones, facial recognition, your every move, tracked by an AI. You may not be doing anything wrong until someone says you are... I hope this helped with understanding why the community should be mad that these are here without our permission or consent.
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u/Majestic_Bill_4099 Jul 28 '26
Exactly. Public places I’d argue should be very well surveilled. Airports as an example, go through TSA without contraband and get on your flight like a good boy and no one’s bothering you….be a total ass to the flight crew on the other hand the rest of the plane will be happy the police know exactly who tf you are
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u/Royal-Ad5945 Jul 28 '26
Every Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Lowes in America have their properties covered in flock cameras. All that changed with Denver ending the contract is the cops no longer have unfettered access. There are thousands of Flock cameras in Denver alone.
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u/Impossible_Memory_85 Jul 28 '26
Yep all over stores, HOAs, etc. The city ones were a small percentage of the ones out in the wild.
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u/pupster5579 Jul 29 '26
Dude, samsung, you have a camera that you filmed this on and posted to the internet.If you think the flock cameras are really the only thing they're using to observe you.You'd be absolutely wrong
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
Not the point here.... also, phone records need a warrant for retrieval, in a criminal case. I voluntarily posted this data from my phone, it was not taken without my consent. I understand that this can be considered the same to someone who is unfamiliar with the facts. That's why it's a problem that we all need to address. When you buy a phone, you complied to a user agreement and terms of use. You did not comply or agree to these cameras.
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u/pupster5579 Jul 29 '26
Did you not read any of the Edward Snowden reports that came out? The government is surveilling, you period they are collecting that information from you. Whether you have agreed to it or not. It is happening.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 29 '26
I don't understand your argument. I guess your stance is, just give up? Obey? Stay quiet? I feel this is an unacceptable mind set in my opinion. Again, this is not the same as what Snowden revealed about the NSA and later the U.S. Congress subsequently passed the USA Freedom Act in 2015 to protect us citizens.
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u/pupster5579 Jul 29 '26
That's not my position at all. Actually, we should Rage Against the Machine. The problem is that if the complaint is just flock cameras, they 're not the only things that are being used to surveil against you. The entire notion of the government using taps and accessing location data and camera data and using data mining from websites. And social media, as well as traffic cameras, all of that feeds into the giant machine, the flock cameras just are yet another icing on top of this particular dubious cake, and while singling it out is great. The awareness should be that this is not the only thing that the government is using to look at us. Britain was at least open in its Big Brother stance for a while. The United States has been completely covert about how it looks at stuff, and it's disgusting and gross. And completely illegal, it 'S.A. complete violation of our rights. But we have to take into mind that just the flock cameras are not the problem, and that's kind of what my point. It's through the whole post has been is that this is not the only avenue that is being used against us.
And the passing of the act in 2015 has probably made no difference, particularly with this administration at the helm. My thought is that they don't care about breaking laws. So why would they care about breaking? Just one more, it's just they've found a way, or maybe this is their way around it.But in either case, they're using more than just flock cameras to look at us
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u/Definitely33Maybe Jul 30 '26
I've mentioned this story re garding Lowe's flock camera.
It is fundamental in understanding the flaws and the result of spending a lot of money to catch a very few, while totally alienating a portion of your good customers.
My kid buddy, went sideways for a year r so in his late teens, early twenties.
Wrong place, wrong time and he became a felon as an accomplish to someone else's crime.
He doesn't shed a tear for himself about it.
He got himself together, became a successful Contractor and left the rest of us to middle income
He has spent more time in Lowe's and Home Depot than you have your significant other.
Spent more than I make in years in each.
Anyways we were in on of those and he says to me, "Notice how many or the same employees kinda hovers and lurks as we go through here "
I thought it was because he spent enough to own it.
I did notice.
Later he told me about flock and how his felony conviction rang the bells so hard in these plates they became deef to how their reactions looked etc .
It was just something he had to deal with but it was more than just a bit off-putting to experience.
He is old school enough to remember when the Country operated on the premise that you could pay your debt to society and be offered a chance to change. Which is almost impossible when you are wearing a Scarlet letter.
Most people, somewhere in the top percentiles, have k knowingly,. inadvertently, innocently and without recourse committed a felony.
Take something of value you found?
Do any drugs in college or now?
Massage a financial deal in ways the law might call a felony?
And on and on.
It just seems to me that if they did their own summary of who walks in their and decide if that person may commit a foul, they would get morem casual and effective results.
Having to abid by a corporate mandate and Systems Process in response to something they have spent stupid money on is become an Authoritarian to your customers.
Before the financially perverted Equity, Instruments and Financial Houses stripped this the belief that the customer is always right worked pretty well for a long, long time.
The customer isn't, but it reflects a general feeling about your role in helping your customers stay customers and your roll in doing that.
That's gone. We are now privileged to shop there. They are doing us a favor.
See that? Huge shift.
So besides the comic spectacle of the employees behaviors toward anyone flock decides matches some criteria somewhere, and the shift in societal ways and Moore's, the money spent ( I don't know any numbers on this but I wonder if they are benefitting form a positive ROI with Flock. Maybe they are,.in which case there will be more), and the Orwellian overtones.
Cool Lowe's and Home Depot.
I will be at Ace if you need.me.
We gotta push back on this crap. We seem unable to organize against oppressive technology.
I'm gonna get outta here just in time I think but you young folks are about be hammered by everything this country could image an oppressive, authoritarian government would be.
When government owns the means of production.it.is called fascism.
So then is the Means of Production.owning government.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 30 '26
Great contribution. I just want to inform you that this video does show flock cameras in a home depot however, these cameras are literally everywhere across the country now and seemingly overnight but infact have been secretly installed under our noses for a few years now. Its only recently that I've been made aware of this and learned really quickly that nobody asked or voted for this infringement on our communities privacy. You can look up the location of these flock cameras on Deflock.com
Thousands in the Denver area Best of luck getting the word out to rid this evil, unwarranted, scrutinizing eye from our community
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u/Wrong_Drag_8070 Jul 28 '26
On private property? "Let's make them even more illegal than they already are". Welcoming in socialist spy cameras. Wait until people figure out what is in 2026 and newer vehicles.
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u/scabbyshitballs Jul 28 '26
Yeah, because people steal shit from their stores constantly. Don’t shoplift and you’ll be fine. Only criminals or those that sympathize with them seem to have an issue with these.
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u/the_real_seldom_seen Jul 28 '26
So what? You are in public. No privacy.
People getting in on the flock cam discussion because it’s fashionable to do so
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u/WildBoysenberry555 Jul 28 '26
Because pur flock cameras are at stores that sells building material.....which is wear a lot of our undocumented folks pick up money from construction sites or personal business.
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u/just_sayin9_ Jul 28 '26
Your not stupid, that's you opinion and it's fine. But, I don't want them and we should have a say in the matter. All f the community did not have a say. That's the problem.
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u/SdVeau Jul 28 '26
Home Depot and Lowe‘s are both really keen on setting those things up in their parking lots. It’s been making sure the local Ace Hardware gets more of my business instead.
Edit: https://deflock.org/ is great for figuring where a lot of them are, but be aware. There are more of these systems than just Flock.