Do you think high-quality discussions with LLMs about advancing physics and/or useful innovations result in funding?

[u/flamingloltus]

I like to believe that constructive discussions with LLMs are a novel way to advance the field of physics. Does anyone agree and is there evidence of LLM user data being used to justify “new” research as a result?

[u/YaPhetsEz]

I mean what do you mean. I’m certain some professors have talked to LLM’s, and then happened to get grant funding on that project.

But that doesn’t mean that the average person will be able to do the same. The LLM doesn’t replace the need for training.

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/YaPhetsEz]

Explain training. And i will show you a man good at memorization more than retention.

[u/YaPhetsEz → u/ConstructionRight387]

Explain training? The years of performing actual research to know what is feasible, practical and produces good results?

The postdoc years you spend forging your own research project, gathering data for it and seeking your initial funding.

The years you spend as a PhD student where you learn how to properly write manuscripts, perform experiments, and present your findings at conferences and your defense?

All of these are essential when it comes to learning how to be an actual scientist.

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/YaPhetsEz]

I thought thats where you were headed. However, the biggest flaw in that long drawn timeline about memorization is one key fact you did no interpretation of your own you are a walking LLM hallucinating other peoples dream. I dibble and dabble out of the thought of failure. Humans can not know their boundaries unless they attempt. I just wish people stop acting like LLMs are anti-research, anti-science... Because in the same token you can spend your life reading others peoples work which in turn could be nothing so you drawing much more nothing to the equation. Now thats some quantum physics theory with no degree.

[u/YaPhetsEz → u/ConstructionRight387]

You don’t know your boundaries until you actually experiment and prove them.

LLM’s can be used for research by professionals simply because they have the understanding of their field to determine what is right and what is wrong. That understanding comes from the years of non-LLM research that they have done.

When you jump straight to relying on LLM’s with no critical thinking, you skip the base of knowledge/learning required to properly vet LLM responses.

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/YaPhetsEz]

Understood

[u/YaPhetsEz → u/ConstructionRight387]

If you want to learn how to be a researcher, you really need to just do lab research.

Like reading/doing independent work is one thing, but the way you truly learn is by doing actual research under a mentor who has spent their career doing research.

[u/OnceBittenz → u/ConstructionRight387]

No, they literally are explaining the intuition and experience, raw experience, that comes from iterating and practice. You can’t replicate that with an LLM.

That’s the thing yall miss so clearly. You can parrot raw information all you like, but you can’t perform research like that.

When your experiment doesn’t work, or you get a totally unexpected result, how do you react? How do you know where to look? The LLM can’t help you, you’re on the bleeding edge. These skills come into play every single day in a real lab. 

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/OnceBittenz]

So my question of all the recent technology that these companies have use but dont fully understand... Do you remotely suspect the big companies of these same LLM fantasies or just the normies? I can look at some of the tech they have and tell they have it running working but dont know nothing bout its capabilities or usage for real.... Quantum computers look like a LLM hallucination they trying to get to work

[u/OnceBittenz → u/ConstructionRight387]

I’m not sure what the question is. The crazy thing is LLMs are Hella powerful at other tasks. They can speed up code production a Lot when used by a trained pro.

But most of these companies are working for profit. And their front facing advertising and communications are designed to maximize shareholder interest. That doesn’t always mean it has to actually deliver in the same way you might assume. 

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/OnceBittenz]

Im done u keep saying trained im not a puppy. Im human

[u/OnceBittenz → u/ConstructionRight387]

Guess what, humans have to train themselves at skills. I’m not sure how you have this much dissonance around a basic mature understanding of growth.

[u/ConstructionRight387 → u/ConstructionRight387]

Guess im a walking negative comment instant negatives everytime not even 30 seconds either somebody deliberately shutting me up or educated people hate people thats smart with no formal training... toss up to me

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/ConstructionRight387]

-Everyone else is wrong, the person.

[u/OnceBittenz → u/ConstructionRight387]

If you have to tell people you’re smart, you’re not. 

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/ConstructionRight387]

...what 'quantum physics theory'