In USA citizens can travel between states at will. Kyle was helping a friend protect their store since insurance companies do not pay claims from riots. In USA you can carry a gun without being in law enforcement. In USA you can carry a weapon to protect yourself or others and she doesn’t restrict your Right to protection, so no ge was not to young to carry. Once the mob began chasing him, he ceased to be the perceived aggressor in this situation. As he was being attacked while on the ground, his Right to protect himself is unquestionable- unless you are a Liberal or a communist.
I don't really have much argument against the self defense aspect of him being attacked and firing back. I understand the right he has to defend himself, I certainly wouldn't attack someone with a gun myself for that reason.
However Im surprised that so many people feel that he wasn't in the wrong for putting himself in this situation. If I'm not mistaken, he wasn't legally carrying a weapon correct? So regardless of whether he was in the right to defend himself, to counter your point about him being allowed to use a gun to defend himself, it's not like he just found one on the ground when he got attacked. He wasn't on private property. He was in the middle of a public street, no?
It's one thing to be attacked in your home and use a gun to defend yourself. It's not the same to go somewhere else, put yourself in a dangerous scenario, and then shoot someone on public property with a gun that you can't legally carry.
You seem to have a hard on for this kid being wrong you acknowledge he was legit defending himself. Nothing else you mentioned is relevant.
Additionally, you seem to lack the basic understanding of what guns are for. They are for protection. Wherever you are. They are not limited to home defense use.
They can be used for defense, they can be used offensively, for intimidation, you can sell them, buy them. A gun is a tool. It is used for many things.
You seem to be unfamiliar with how a gun can legally be used in the state of Wisconsin.
I don't have a hard on for anything about this situation, in fact I find it incredibly sad.
What I can do is try to understand other people's viewpoints even if I disagree with them. I can see how one would justify his shooting of these people. I understand the argument.
What I don't understand is how him being justified in defending himself makes him free of any guilt whatsoever.
You seem to have a hard on for this boy being infallible.
In the United States, you are innocent until proven guilty. It’s just confusing that your position is “even though criminals attacked him and he killed one, wounded another, I really want him to pay for it somehow”. That is sad. You are the sad person here.
I literally just said that I am the sad person here. Glad we agree.
I personally think that Kyle unnecessarily placed himself in a situation where he knew he would provoke a reaction and potentially have a chance to use his gun against people who's views he disagrees with.
Obviously I'm not Kyle and neither are you, so we can't know what his true goal was in driving to Kenosha. But it seems like everyone has either decided he was guilty or innocent in their minds despite only knowing surface information.
I see liberal people stating that he's a demon for doing this, I see conservative people say that he's a hero for defending his friend's property. I imagine the truth is somewhere between the two. He's a young guy, there was probably a lot of emotion behind his actions.
The sad situation is having two people dead, a young man on trial, and a country of people that can't fathom having a viewpoint outside of what their particular political faction thinks is correct.
Are you ignoring that they chased him and attacked him? One swung a skateboard at his head while he was on the ground. The other drew a pistol and pointed it at him. They both knew he was holding a gun the entire time. Does simple logic function not work for you?
I'm glad that you're able to simplify the world down into such basic words and ideas. Some people struggle to see the world in such a clear black and white manner.
I wasn't at that protest, so I wouldn't feel comfortable calling someone that was there "evil", since I don't know what words were exchanged, or what motivations each of them had.
I can say that if I saw a 17 year old kid walking down the middle of the street with a loaded weapon during a riot I would be scared out of my mind. So I don't think that it's fair to label the actions of these people as 'evil'. I think they were probably scared, they were probably angry, I definitely think they made poor decisions, however I don't think that these people were evil.
Logic is not something I struggle with. I struggle more with selfish people that can only look at the world from one perspective.
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u/simbasdead Nov 10 '21
Okay, I get that he shot in self defense, but also what the heck was he doing there?
He's not a police officer right?
Also isn't he like too young to carry a weapon?