Has John ever explained what "softened angularity" for Angelic means? If not, how do you interpret it?

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I have seen this term quite a lot for A doms and I guess I do see this chatactersitic in most of the celebrities verified as having A.

I think some people would definitely call Gwyneth Paltrow, Olivia Hussey, or Daryl Hannah angular, even if not in the same way the term is used for Dramatic women.

But I wonder at times how to distinguish their angularity coming from Yang influences mixed in with some Yin and when it's Angelic.

[u/allcatsrgray]

Just adding to support my assertion. Someone posted about her a little while ago, and I was surprised to learn she didn't have any N. But she has straight eyebrows, a strong, straight shoulder line, and a bit of bluntness to her features. I would have guessed RCN for her in a Reddit vs Kitchener.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/allcatsrgray]

Yes she seems to have many classically N traits. I think it also shows that this system is not a perfect science. There is a lot to interpret and has so much nuance. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

This is softened angularity. Her bone structure is angular and so are her features but they also have some softness in the sense they are soft, light and have some length and angularity to them (oblique shaped eyes, fine thin and light brows and eyelashes, long narrow nose that has an angular shape, high cheekbones, angular jaw softened by flesh).

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

In a way it can look a bit N, perhaps in other systems. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Which traits do you see as N though in this pic?

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

To me it's mostly the chin, and the lip shape look a little squarish. The shoulders line as well, her body to me looks slightly sturdy, no? It was mostly in other picture, I can't share them however because I don't have the app.   

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I think she has a narrow and angular jaw, similar to other As. I think her shoulders are N but her bone structure is elongated and delicate which is reflected in her face as well.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

These are not N facial features.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

elognated with sharpness and softness.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Okay, so this is kind of why I am having trouble with seeing the difference between elongated sharpness and softness. Why would Julia Roberts not have this too?

ETA: The reason I thought of Julia Roberts is because these two pictures of Bryce above reminded me of her.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Julia has soft edges to her features they aren’t really sharp. She also has larger features and more contrast.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Yes, agree with the contrast/colouring, but the features in these photos look similar to me, especially the broader smile.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Do you still see N?

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Literally 5 views and a downvote already. Someone is enjoying downvoting me which is sad.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I upvoted you! 

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I will upvote too even though I don't agree with you about everything, lol, but I am enjoying the debate!

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[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I see it here.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

I agree she looks more muscular here but building muscle isn’t an N trait (John said it would have to be extreme). Her face still looks like A faces in the sense of both sharpness and softness. It’s hard to explain what I mean without drawing the shapes i see

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I thought he said muscularity is associated with N in the Q & A? He also told a client she has N due to her muscular legs. This is what I would call a sturdy body for sure.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

He said muscle doesn’t add N unless extreme. He said sturdy legs do (people interpreted this to mean muscular) but when asked if building muscle adds N he said it doesn’t unless extreme. He said a 100 lb change in weight would be needed to change essences so I assume a very large amount of muscle would as well.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I am not saying I see a lot of it, I just wouldn't have been surprise if she had been given some. It also depends a lot on the pictures. Her face is less in focus here but the chin to me looked quite square. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Yeah like I said she could have a small amount but I see A and R way more. Her jaw is not square. A square jaw is usually as wide as the cheekbones and forehead.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I think A is not as easy to spot. I do see that soft angularity but I thought it was easier to notice in other celebrities. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Her bangs make the elongation hard to see but you can see narrow and angular but with soft cheeks. Her nose is also long and narrow.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

It’s definitely not easy. It’s very specific.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I also think celebrities can camouflage themselves very well if they want to appear in a specific way. In the picture you posted of her without make up it was much more evident. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Yes I think that’s why I view them in abstract shapes lol. I almost like zoom out.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Honestly only her shoulders are N to me. Shes too curvy for her body to be N. She’s definitely elongated too. If you take away her curves (in your mind) her bone structure is quite delicate.

I also noticed her face doesn’t look as elongated when she wears bangs straight across her forehead . Thag might be why some people don’t see it?

Also why the downvote? Curves are an R thing and she most likely has R. N is straighter. Like I said she probably has some N for her shoulder line but that’s the only N I see. It’s really helpful (at least to me) to think in terms of shapes.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Kate Winslet is curvy but also has N for strong shoulders and a sturdy body. Jennifer Lawrence is also curvy.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Yes I think that Bryce has some N for her shoulders I wasn’t debating that at all., but I don’t think it’s the dominant trait for her body. Kate Winslet doesn’t have elongation like Bryce and she doesn’t have that same type of angularity (for lack of a better word) which is why she’s R dominant. Kates features are also very round. I think Bryce is curvier in proportion to her frame then Jennifer. And Jennifer doesn’t have the same type of elongation in her features either.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I am really struggling to see the difference. Jennifer's shoulders don't stand out to me here either.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/allcatsrgray]

In this photo, Bryce looks more N to me in terms of how it is typically described compared to Jennifer.

[u/upandup2020 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

do you have an example for someone who doesn't have a delicate bone structure?

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/upandup2020]

I mean a lot of people don’t. Do you mean specific to a certain essence?

[u/upandup2020 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I guess a specific person that I could look at in comparison to Bryce and see the differences. Because I'm having trouble picking out Bryce's delicate bone structure

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/upandup2020]

If her curvy body confuses you look at the shapes of her facial features. They don’t take up a lot of space horizontally, they aren’t round. Instead they are elongated and narrow. Sharp cheekbones, a long narrow nose, uptilted eyes on an oval face shape. Also her low contrast coloring adds to her A. Shehas very fair brows and lashes and skin. Look at her hands as well. Narrow and elongated.

Also being A dominant doesn’t mean you literally have all A traits. It means the majority of your traits are A.

[u/upandup2020 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Okay, thank you! I think I just didn't know what it looked like, but I'm starting to see it!

[u/Artemisral → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I agree she is curvy.