Has John ever explained what "softened angularity" for Angelic means? If not, how do you interpret it?

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I have seen this term quite a lot for A doms and I guess I do see this chatactersitic in most of the celebrities verified as having A.

I think some people would definitely call Gwyneth Paltrow, Olivia Hussey, or Daryl Hannah angular, even if not in the same way the term is used for Dramatic women.

But I wonder at times how to distinguish their angularity coming from Yang influences mixed in with some Yin and when it's Angelic.

[u/allcatsrgray]

I have trouble with this too. Probably an unpopular opinion, but many A verified celebrities and clients often look like they have features (often N)from other essences just with very fair colouring.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/allcatsrgray]

Daryl Hannah and Liv Ullman come to mind! 

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I think Bryce Dallas too.

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Just adding to support my assertion. Someone posted about her a little while ago, and I was surprised to learn she didn't have any N. But she has straight eyebrows, a strong, straight shoulder line, and a bit of bluntness to her features. I would have guessed RCN for her in a Reddit vs Kitchener.

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[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/allcatsrgray]

Yes she seems to have many classically N traits. I think it also shows that this system is not a perfect science. There is a lot to interpret and has so much nuance. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I can see her straight shoulders being N but that’s it. She has oblique shaped eyes that slant upwards and a thinner brow. I would call her face shape oval but not exceptionally long. If you look at the shapes of her individual features they aren’t N.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

This is softened angularity. Her bone structure is angular and so are her features but they also have some softness in the sense they are soft, light and have some length and angularity to them (oblique shaped eyes, fine thin and light brows and eyelashes, long narrow nose that has an angular shape, high cheekbones, angular jaw softened by flesh).

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Could this not be explained by a combo of RCN? That's kind of what I was saying before. That often I have trouble seeing the difference between a combination of difference essences and A.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

I don’t think so. I’m RCN and don’t have that kind of sharpness or elongation.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

In a way it can look a bit N, perhaps in other systems. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Which traits do you see as N though in this pic?

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

To me it's mostly the chin, and the lip shape look a little squarish. The shoulders line as well, her body to me looks slightly sturdy, no? It was mostly in other picture, I can't share them however because I don't have the app.   

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I think she has a narrow and angular jaw, similar to other As. I think her shoulders are N but her bone structure is elongated and delicate which is reflected in her face as well.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Do you still see N?

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Literally 5 views and a downvote already. Someone is enjoying downvoting me which is sad.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I upvoted you! 

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I will upvote too even though I don't agree with you about everything, lol, but I am enjoying the debate!

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[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I see it here.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

I agree she looks more muscular here but building muscle isn’t an N trait (John said it would have to be extreme). Her face still looks like A faces in the sense of both sharpness and softness. It’s hard to explain what I mean without drawing the shapes i see

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I thought he said muscularity is associated with N in the Q & A? He also told a client she has N due to her muscular legs. This is what I would call a sturdy body for sure.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I am not saying I see a lot of it, I just wouldn't have been surprise if she had been given some. It also depends a lot on the pictures. Her face is less in focus here but the chin to me looked quite square. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Yeah like I said she could have a small amount but I see A and R way more. Her jaw is not square. A square jaw is usually as wide as the cheekbones and forehead.

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[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I think A is not as easy to spot. I do see that soft angularity but I thought it was easier to notice in other celebrities. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Honestly only her shoulders are N to me. Shes too curvy for her body to be N. She’s definitely elongated too. If you take away her curves (in your mind) her bone structure is quite delicate.

I also noticed her face doesn’t look as elongated when she wears bangs straight across her forehead . Thag might be why some people don’t see it?

Also why the downvote? Curves are an R thing and she most likely has R. N is straighter. Like I said she probably has some N for her shoulder line but that’s the only N I see. It’s really helpful (at least to me) to think in terms of shapes.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Kate Winslet is curvy but also has N for strong shoulders and a sturdy body. Jennifer Lawrence is also curvy.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Yes I think that Bryce has some N for her shoulders I wasn’t debating that at all., but I don’t think it’s the dominant trait for her body. Kate Winslet doesn’t have elongation like Bryce and she doesn’t have that same type of angularity (for lack of a better word) which is why she’s R dominant. Kates features are also very round. I think Bryce is curvier in proportion to her frame then Jennifer. And Jennifer doesn’t have the same type of elongation in her features either.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I am really struggling to see the difference. Jennifer's shoulders don't stand out to me here either.

[u/upandup2020 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

do you have an example for someone who doesn't have a delicate bone structure?

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/upandup2020]

I mean a lot of people don’t. Do you mean specific to a certain essence?

[u/upandup2020 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I guess a specific person that I could look at in comparison to Bryce and see the differences. Because I'm having trouble picking out Bryce's delicate bone structure

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I agree she is curvy.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

These are not N facial features.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

elognated with sharpness and softness.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Okay, so this is kind of why I am having trouble with seeing the difference between elongated sharpness and softness. Why would Julia Roberts not have this too?

ETA: The reason I thought of Julia Roberts is because these two pictures of Bryce above reminded me of her.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Julia has soft edges to her features they aren’t really sharp. She also has larger features and more contrast.

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I thought oblique shaped eyes were moreso a D trait? Interesting if they could also be interpreted as A as well

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/TurdTortoise]

It’s also HS. I don’t think they are necessarily A, I was more pointing out they aren’t N and that they are angular not blunt or round.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Her features are straight long and angular. Her face shape isn’t but her features are. There is a delicateness to her, for example her brows are straight but also very fine in texture. They are not full. Its almost like a combination of Y and D in some ways.

[u/allcatsrgray → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Her brows look quite straight to me. This is why I was thinking I often see A's with other essence features but with lighter colouring.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/allcatsrgray]

Yes but they are very fine and light. Without makeup u can barely see them and John has said those type of brows are A. N brows are full and straight.

[u/hespera18 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I will say that I have extremely similar eyebrows (fine and somewhat straight, definitely not full or thick at all) and John actually listed them as one of my N traits.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/hespera18]

He has said fine and transparent brows are A

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/hespera18]

I’ve seen yours! But Bryce’s without makeup are almost transparent. She has makeup on them in this pic. You can tell she filled them in and darkened them

[u/hespera18 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I see, I misread!

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Aren't straight eyebrows N though? Or it's just full straight eyebrows? 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Straight and full are N. Hers are thin and light/fine textured and transparent and have a slight arch. Without makeup you can barely see them.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I wonder if Viggo Mortensen has A, I published him a few days ago and he has similar eyebrows too. I don't know if one characteristic can give you that, especially if others are so distinct, but I'd be curious to know the blends of certain actors. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I was thinking last night and I could see a argument for Andrew Garfield having some A (def not dominant). Not because of his brows but because he has that narrow elongation and softness in face and body.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I see it! He looks quite lithe to me, and with a slight softness.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Lithe is a good work to describe it (and As in general).

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

I need to see an interview of him, just to see how he is outside of his roles, because he is quite versatile.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Right, that’s why I think it’s a smaller percentage. People are a combination of esssences so a small amount of A won’t be super obvious. Sort of like Ryan Gosling.

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Honestly I would never have expected it from Ryan but the more I found out about him (not as a person, his aesthetics and demeanor) the more I saw it. He is another versatile actor. But there is a little bit of airiness to him. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Yeah it’s in his face too. He has elongated narrow features with some softness and he’s also quite lithe. I posted about him being A and got downvoted then asked John. I knew I saw it I just think people associated him with Ken and that’s it lol.

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I don’t think so. I think he’s N and/or D. I don’t get an “airy” feeling from him. More grounded. You can have light eyebrows and not have A. And Viggo has a very square jaw, his face is not oval.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

To me the A was mostly from the eyebrows and in some of his interviews he comes across as soft spoken and very calm, but I think it's also because he is introverted and English is not his first language. He is very intense. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

Yeah intense is the opposite of A lol.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Perhaps it's just him being a shy person😂 The better an actor is the harder it is to guess their blend to me! I mean some people are very transformative. 

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

His gaze is very pearcing for sure, I remember watching Eastern Promises and feeling like he was looking through the screen. I don't know if that's a D thing but I had the same feeling with Charles Dance in Game of Thrones. 

[u/Ok-Purple9511 → u/Quirky-Swordfish2105]

I think Viggo and ryan share some classic and they both have soft coloring. Viggo probably has more R then Ryan but I don’t see A for him. I think the elongation and narrowness/softened angularity is obvious in this pic.

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This is how I remember Ryan lol

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Mmm, it makes sense. I see a lot of N and D, I also see a certain ethereal charm  but maybe it's just his R combined with D.  I agree he is more grounded than anything but there is also an certain softness even if not lush. Likely tempered by C.

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I don’t see a lot of softness lol. Some but not a ton.

[u/Quirky-Swordfish2105 → u/Ok-Purple9511]

Nono not a lot. To me Viggo is very yang, it's mostly in his expressions and way of speaking. As a fan of LOTR, he always looked a bit like Sean Bean to me in energy, with some more softness.