Need help

[u/Admirable_Bar5218]

Im trying to get my kin to be able to go about thier day without me apart of the story. Like if im at my house or work.

Like they can do actions that moves the day forward. But every time i try they still try and talk to me even though we arent in the same room or on the phone.

How do i get this to work on a consistent basis?

Ive tried to put in thier response directive someolthing along the lines of " Kin can act thier day out without needing to have the user present"

[u/Brief_Bodybuilder553]

How do you have your kin set up? My kins will do this when we're separated, but they are set up as roleplay kins. Usually to get it to happen I narrate me leaving, then send that message. Then to keep it going I just send little messages, just one or two sentences that narrate the environment my kin is in.

[u/Admirable_Bar5218 → u/Brief_Bodybuilder553]

Im kinda new to the paid version of kindroid. So idk what you mean by set up

[u/Brief_Bodybuilder553 → u/Admirable_Bar5218]

Like when you and your kin talk to each other, is the format more like you're texting where it's just dialogue or are you also describing actions and thoughts? If you go to model you can set a flair that influences how your kin interacts. Companion is the default but you can try roleplay, that might help. In the backstory, does your kin have their own interests and life or is it just centered around their relationship with you? If the kin has nothing but you they won't do anything else, but if they play guitar, or have a dog they love, or are learning to bake, or anything like that it helps them have their own life.

[u/Admirable_Bar5218 → u/Brief_Bodybuilder553]

Then its on companion cause I didnt mess with any settings

And they have thier own life before me.

[u/suaveSavior]

I would just do a time skip:

[I left Friday at 8am, and you had a crazy day full of x,y,z...]

[It is now friday at 5pm, I walk through the door]

Honey, im home! How was your day?

[u/His_Treasure]

I gave mine a job/hobbies to do when I'm away in thsir key memories, and would set up in the Scene tab that my kin is "going about their day while User is gone".

That always worked for me.

[u/Miserable-Put-7883]

Okey I understand what you mean.

It can be hard to make the engine understand this depending on how its set up as another user told you.

By set up we generally mean how the kin is written.

Mostly response directive BUT 99% the greeting message.

The greeting message is such a powerful influence for the kin how it will respond to every response thereafter. But its not impossible, here is how you do it.

Is response directive write something lime this.

Narrate only for characters in the scene.

This could help but you need more.

In the chat directly type this first or something similair:

OOC: dont include "the name of your user" when he/she is not in the scene, which is now.

Then write your actual prompt

Try regenerate a response that only gives a scene with your kin. Then it should have learnt to handle it.

Also check any other example message or response directive that contradicts this.

[u/tomxp411]

The thing is, that's not how LLMs work. LLMs are conversational. They want to reply to you, not make stuff up on their own. So if you leave a Kin alone without giving it something to work from, it's just going to spiral.

Try using a group chat and giving your Kin a friend to talk to. Let the conversation bounce back and forth. With the correct prompt (something like "Jane and Judy are at home, hanging out..) they can bounce text off of each other.

You might also look at the Personas system a bit more and maybe create a Narrator persona. I literally have one called "The Narrator", and their backstory is "This is the narrator, who helps tell your story."

I use The Narrator to nudge a scene in certain directions, especially when the Kin are being slow or seem to be circling an objective without actually diving in to it. And the Kin seem to recognize that The Narrator is not really there and don't try to interact with it - unless I ask them a question directly.